lol xpost. about the most generous you can get with that livingstone assessment is that it means 'interesting and intelligent in the sense of being central to the framework of my analysis and providing an unwitting critique and support of it'.
― Fizzles, Saturday, 20 June 2020 10:28 (three years ago) link
Was thinking about this only yesterday, a whole body of smug online reasonable people steadily oscillating between "look how stupid this government is" and "I am shocked that the government has done this wicked thing" while the government calmly gets on with its political programme and sniggers at the idiots who think they can debate it
― Ivan Scampo (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 20 June 2020 10:32 (three years ago) link
the way their majority enables contempt, laziness and indifference due to them being effectively unopposable as long as they manage the news cycle, i can only imagine that's a thing that's going to get worse.
― Fizzles, Saturday, 20 June 2020 10:46 (three years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ea8ZhSfWAAE7YmV?format=jpg&name=large
saying "fuck the political dept of the bbc and a million deaths on them" is not quite the same as suggesting some independent, strong healthy left-wing media would pop up in its place if it was privatised, which would be a ridiculous idea. Not that I've seen anyone who gets taken seriously suggesting that it would be a likely outcome. But I suppose such weak as piss strawmanning will do for Hugh Laurie and co!
― calzino, Saturday, 20 June 2020 10:53 (three years ago) link
I thought about checking out that Marina Hyde column and then I realised I just didn't care, its another bit of noise among thousands.
Meanwhile something that might turn out to be actually important is happening, which is that some Tory MPs appear to be reaching the conclusion that Boris Johnson is too weak and sick to run the country properly and might need to go. More to the point they are actually saying it - off the record at least.
https://members.tortoisemedia.com/2020/06/19/sick-man-boris-johnson-transcript/content.html
Also I haven't read all this yet but it's Matthew D'Ancona putting together first hand accounts of what it was like in Downing Street when the PM and others started getting ill and the sense of "what do we do now daddy's dead?" amateurishness is even worse than I imagined.
― Matt DC, Saturday, 20 June 2020 11:08 (three years ago) link
lol i spent ten mins writing up a bad post abt how corrupted regency and pre-transformation politics feels at the moment, with the corbs-project as the cato street conspiracy (multi-racial, too small, poorly conceived, always doomed), the acceptable resistance-opposition restricted to a bunch of half-measure gentry (the godwins, henry hunt in his fkn white hat), starmer as fox willingly entering the "ministry of all the talents" and bojo as er pitt the younger dying in office -- before the post was eaten up and demolished by me clicking on the wrong x
there are few ways the analogy works precisely (or at all lol) but i maintain that the feel is similar; we are in the dying phase of "the thing" but that dying is going to take its time
― mark s, Saturday, 20 June 2020 11:11 (three years ago) link
next up neo-peterloo
literally posting incomprehensible garbage now u love too see it
― mark s, Saturday, 20 June 2020 11:14 (three years ago) link
Who is mad King George in all this or is that all of us?
― Matt DC, Saturday, 20 June 2020 11:16 (three years ago) link
some figures currently unassigned, comments are closed
― mark s, Saturday, 20 June 2020 11:21 (three years ago) link
Marina Hyde as a safety valve for people's cynicism performs a really unhealthy function doesn't she? The better she does it, the worse it is. FBPE types are obsessed with being *right* (in a mixture between moral and 'well actually'/legal rightness), and would rather be cynically tickled on the tummy about their 'rightness' than think about how change that benefits people's material circumstances might be effected.
― scampos mentis (gyac), Saturday, 20 June 2020 11:21 (three years ago) link
"we are in the dying phase of "the thing" but that dying is going to take its time"
I was thinking how a time spanning implant which allows you to skip a few years in a walking deep sleep might be helpful, but then you might be in your 90's by the time "the thing" has died and the wake up alarm goes off!
― calzino, Saturday, 20 June 2020 11:29 (three years ago) link
lol i spent ten mins writing up a bad post abt how corrupted regency and pre-transformation politics feels at the moment, with the corbs-project as the cato street conspiracy (multi-racial, too small, poorly conceived, always doomed), the acceptable resistance-opposition restricted to a bunch of half-measure gentry (the godwins, henry hunt in his fkn white hat), starmer as fox willingly entering the "ministry of all the talents" and bojo as er pitt the younger dying in office -- before the post was eaten up and demolished by me clicking on the wrong xidly considered this meaning that age came to an end when a big mark s thumb accidently pressed the wrong button and it got crumpled up and thrown in the pemanent trash bin of The Void.history as a scrambled, badly formatted ilx post that you decide to/accidentally delete before posting.
― Fizzles, Saturday, 20 June 2020 11:30 (three years ago) link
Everyone is obsessed with being right, the political internet and Twitter in particular is absolutely stacked with preening twats convinced that they alone see things that everyone else is too stupid and blinded by groupthink to understand.
Lots of these people will start behaving like foot stamping FPBErs the moment their ball is taken away as well (exhibit a = Aaron Bastani).
― Matt DC, Saturday, 20 June 2020 11:37 (three years ago) link
Wow, this can’t have been easy to admit. Well done @Nigel_Farage pic.twitter.com/Ig85qxeaAQ— Tom Neenan (@TNeenan) June 18, 2020
― nashwan, Saturday, 20 June 2020 11:49 (three years ago) link
(To be honest it's probably less about childishness and more that otherwise healthy things like self doubt, and ever having to admit that you were wrong, put a lot of these people at a career disadvantage).
― Matt DC, Saturday, 20 June 2020 11:52 (three years ago) link
Moratorium on writing columns about An Argument You Had On The Internet. pic.twitter.com/Yd3ySAepXA— Elvis Buñuelo (@Mr_Considerate) June 20, 2020
― Matt DC, Saturday, 20 June 2020 12:37 (three years ago) link
her readership is the probably the same one Starmer thinks he can't win an election without oh so subtly signalling what a nice Tory he is to on a daily basis.
― calzino, Saturday, 20 June 2020 12:49 (three years ago) link
if the argument's the same one I witnessed it wasn't about having cleaners, it was about exposing cleaners to the dangers of covid because your shitty husband won't help around the house
― Daniel_Rf, Saturday, 20 June 2020 12:50 (three years ago) link
It's about signalling first and foremost that you won't be shouted down by a self-righteous mob. There's a lot of that going on right now. The question of whether or not they might have been full of shit in the first place is of secondary importance to these people.
― Matt DC, Saturday, 20 June 2020 12:56 (three years ago) link
There's a lot of signalling!
― anvil, Saturday, 20 June 2020 12:57 (three years ago) link
Tbh given that whole fight happened like two months ago it might also just be a completely half-assed and phoned-in column.
― Matt DC, Saturday, 20 June 2020 13:03 (three years ago) link
It's about signalling first and foremost that you won't be shouted down by a self-righteous mob.
I say we go down to her house and force her to drive to Durham.
― Rapsputin (Tom D.), Saturday, 20 June 2020 13:05 (three years ago) link
she gets paid a paltry quarter of a mill p.a. to write the column, at least I think that is what Suzy said a couple of years back.
― calzino, Saturday, 20 June 2020 13:06 (three years ago) link
lol, I just heard Piers Corbyn mentioned amongst the names of people facing lockdown breaking charges to attend protests.
― calzino, Saturday, 20 June 2020 13:08 (three years ago) link
I used to know her when she lived like a pig/with Taylor Parkes in a flat around the corner from me, I pity her cleaner tbh (and her lovely husband shouldn’t have to clean up after her).
― santa clause four (suzy), Saturday, 20 June 2020 13:50 (three years ago) link
worst. flatshare. ever.
― Ivan Scampo (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 20 June 2020 14:04 (three years ago) link
What she didn't mention in her Times column: she has two cleaners
― calzino, Saturday, 20 June 2020 14:14 (three years ago) link
I keep getting Kevin Gates earworms!
― calzino, Saturday, 20 June 2020 14:15 (three years ago) link
Depends on the cleaner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7K3RL-BuSY
― Rapsputin (Tom D.), Saturday, 20 June 2020 14:17 (three years ago) link
I read somewhere that it was the biggest combined fall in both seat numbers and vote share in any single election so it probably was a historical defeat
Surely the Tories in 1997 were worse?
― The Rampaging Goats of Llandudno (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Saturday, 20 June 2020 18:42 (three years ago) link
I was only really talking about Labour results but yeah the Tories in 97 were probably worse.
― Matt DC, Saturday, 20 June 2020 18:58 (three years ago) link
Wtf has happened in Reading?
― Boris the Spreader (NickB), Saturday, 20 June 2020 21:26 (three years ago) link
3 fatalities from stabbing attacks, one arrest is all I've heard so far.
― calzino, Saturday, 20 June 2020 21:35 (three years ago) link
jeesus
― Boris the Spreader (NickB), Saturday, 20 June 2020 21:47 (three years ago) link
It's a spot we know well, we're usually in there most evenings as part of our daily stroll. We almost did, last night but decided to get some stuff from co-op instead, and found out just before getting home. We had seen an ambulance and a police car, but the latter was driving crazy around traffic etc..
I dare say we'd recognise some of the victims, there was often a bunch of blokes drinking together around the bandstand, singing, arguing and that.
Shocking, to say the least.
― Mark G, Sunday, 21 June 2020 08:39 (three years ago) link
Blimey, Mark.
― Future England Captain (Tom D.), Sunday, 21 June 2020 08:44 (three years ago) link
Ken Livingstone as "one of the more interesting and intelligent people from the UK left of the 70's/80's"
Ken Livingstone was, indeed, one of the more interesting and intelligent people from the UK left of the 70's/80's -- certainly among people who were actually elected to office, rather than intellectuals, commentators, etc.
This was a given at the time.
― the pinefox, Sunday, 21 June 2020 09:16 (three years ago) link
Blimey. He's alright is D Edgerton and I've enjoyed some of his books, but his twitter presence has become quite annoying .. kind of a history professor FBPE ultra at times, but often his observations are interesting and correct and he's good at weeding out the propagandist bullshit of 20th c history.
― calzino, Sunday, 21 June 2020 09:38 (three years ago) link
The Observer today reporting that a load of Red Wall Tory MPs are absolutely furious about having to go on TV to argue against free school meals (highly popular in their constituencies) only for the government to then u-turn against them. If Labour are smart they will be taking note of every single one of these occurances because there will almost certainly be more of them and they are almost perfectly designed wedge issue moments.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 21 June 2020 10:20 (three years ago) link
Book club with Ben. https://t.co/7UFxvFvQcP— Frances Ryan (@DrFrancesRyan) June 21, 2020
lol, Ben Bradley, a portrait of a young tory mp as an autodidact whose uncomplicated brain has been blown broken by Orwell!
― calzino, Sunday, 21 June 2020 10:38 (three years ago) link
it'd be funny if
― Ivan Scampo (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 21 June 2020 10:57 (three years ago) link
Not sure if that thread is hilarious or terrifying (in that this cunt is within reach of decision-making positions in goverment)
― Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 21 June 2020 11:06 (three years ago) link
it's irony all the way down
― Ivan Scampo (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 21 June 2020 11:14 (three years ago) link
frequently shit seems to be rolling uphill at an alarming speed these days
― calzino, Sunday, 21 June 2020 11:24 (three years ago) link
http://agendapublica.elpais.com/decay-in-government-quality-and-its-cost-in-covid-19-lives/
Hence, the reaction by these four countries has been slower than that of many others in Europe. They have struggled to adopt decisions to prepare and respond to the pandemic, as well as when trying to garner the necessary political consensus leading to taking tough decisions. At least in the cases of Spain, Belgium, and the UK, which had additional time than Italy to prepare for the hit of the pandemic, it also limited the capacity to learn from and react to what was happening in Italy. Additional consequences of weaker governments and bureaucracies have been frequent changes of direction and criteria in the policies adopted, the chronic lack of personal protective equipment for health and social workers, and a manifest incapacity to coordinate effectively the public procurement of medical and protective equipment. This has resulted in an every man/woman for himself/herself type of strategy that has not only undermined an effective and co-ordinated response when the virus struck, but has also failed to instil the necessary trust to bring the population on board. The results are well known: higher infection rates, higher level of infections among front-line health workers, and, sadly, a far higher share of excess deaths.
― Ivan Scampo (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 21 June 2020 13:15 (three years ago) link
Quite.This “phased reopening” is so fucked up. It is so busy out there now! I went to an independent bookshop in Ely, expecting something like: only x customers in at a time, limited stock on display but more could be fetched out on request, staff have protective gear &c. Nope, it’s exactly the same as pre-pandemic except they have a hand sanitiser station. This is what happens when the guidance is nil and the ppl issuing it have no credibility. Anecdotally social distancing has gone out the window where ppl seemed mainly onside until as recently as a couple of weeks ago. Almost nobody masking up (even on the bus). If we go from 2m to 1m it will be over because most already think 1m is 2m. Phase 3 and pubageddon are looming. Sleepwalking into catastrophe
― covid coronenberg (wins), Sunday, 21 June 2020 16:40 (three years ago) link
The first weekend the pubs reopen but it’s narrated by Werner Herzog— Challenge Man (@tom_usher_) June 21, 2020
― Boris the Spreader (NickB), Sunday, 21 June 2020 16:47 (three years ago) link
i keep seeing groups of tourists in london and i'm very confused about what their holiday is and where they're staying.
― plax (ico), Sunday, 21 June 2020 16:56 (three years ago) link
like obvious tourist groups with the shorts and backpacks and cameras in areas like near buckingham palace etc.