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And a post from Doctor Nerdlove on it: https://www.doctornerdlove.com/on-finding-out-your-heroes-are-monsters-or-detoxifying-comic-culture/

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 19 June 2020 12:48 (three years ago) link

Enjoyed the Kayfabe interview with Frederik Schodt. He talks about a lot of the things he's best known for but also tries to emphasize underestimated factors in keeping manga translations unflopped (powerful artists putting their foot down in particular),the International Manga Award and some more recent manga he has liked.
https://www.manga-award.mofa.go.jp/index_e.html
He said this award has helped a lot of careers, I do recognize a few of the winners (stuff that has been printed by american publishers) but some I can't find anything about.

Has anyone ever felt that some important franchise characters just never got interesting despite efforts to try and make them interesting ("Uuuuoooh god, they're so iconic so we have make them interesting and pretend they were always interesting"). I always felt that way about Dr Octopus and Lex Luthor.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 20 June 2020 18:02 (three years ago) link

Maybe it was Howard Chaykin wondering why anyone would want him to draw Emma Frost (he didn't know who she was until he was asked) got me thinking about this, but I was thinking about how some people, often women are subjected to interrogation about their fan credentials; but frequently the people who make comics don't read them much or know who a lot of the characters even are (this is probably more often artists than writers). A lot of artists who draw popular characters as a living gravitate towards characters that look cool but don't necessarily care about them beyond that, which cosplayers or someone who just buys a t-shirt or a toy gets criticized for.

My favorite example of this is John Buscema (who generally didn't like superheroes) resenting having to draw Aunt May, asking things like "who is this stupid old lady?"

How many Star Wars actors read all the novels?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 26 June 2020 19:25 (three years ago) link

"Aero was created for the Chinese market by the writer and artist team of Zhou Jiajun and Xu Ming and first appeared in the Chinese Marvel comic Aero (Chinese version) issue 1 (2018). Her first American debut was in War of the Realms: New Agents of Atlas issue 1 (2019). The original Chinese Aero comic would later be published or "reprinted" in the American Aero series."

Didn't know Marvel did original chinese comics. Is there any articles or databases of all the different countries who had their own official versions of DC and Marvel characters?

Something different: article about the studio of the most famous current Filipino comic artists. Not all of it is in english.
https://www.cnnphilippines.com/life/culture/2020/1/7/55-balete-studio.html

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 26 June 2020 22:21 (three years ago) link

xp why would anyone read all the novels ffs

you write/draw a story, read all the works that are relevant to the story you're doing and let the corporate story group for your property figure out whether your shit is relevant and hitting the right notes

solo scampito (mh), Saturday, 27 June 2020 01:24 (three years ago) link

Even among big Star Wars fans I doubt many read much of the novels.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 27 June 2020 02:20 (three years ago) link

Ok, I just caught up with Snyder's Justice League, Year of the Villain - Hell Arisen, so I could be up to speed with Death Metal. These books contradict each other and it makes so little sense. Often they ignore each other - not to mention the Bendis/Superman-verse with Event Leviathan which was/is also happening at the same time? And the Batman/Superman title, which focuses on the Batman Who Laughs' infection plot, which is then stupidly resolved at the end of Hell Arisen. DC's editorial department has really gone to shit! (The Tom King run on Batman ignores virtually all of this as well, but I feel like this kinda thing has become standard procedure for Batman; see Batman Inc./New 52.)

Still, I do admit I like that Snyder is willing to goof it up with these ideas for the sake of fun - I mean, Jarro alone made his JL run much more enjoyable. And Death Metal looks like it's going to be more of the same silliness as Dark Nights, and I am down for that.

Realizing also that both Marvel and DC did that weird thing again where they came up with similar ideas around the same time (Justice League's Perpetua arc has a lot in common with Jason Aaron's ancient Avengers/Celestials storyline, though I'm further behind on that one, plus that one added vampires for some reason.)

Nhex, Sunday, 28 June 2020 08:00 (three years ago) link

DC's editorial department has really gone to shit!

― Nhex, Sunday, June 28, 2020 9:00 AM

Isn't it better when they give up trying to coordinate all the storylines?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 1 July 2020 18:45 (three years ago) link

https://www.comics.org/issue/407300/cover/4/

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 1 July 2020 20:02 (three years ago) link

Felipe Smith interview at Kayfabe isn't finished yet (there's a third part forthcoming) but there's some great stuff in there. I knew most stuff about the manga industry but the sheer extent of the stress, health concerns and constant meetings with editors is incredible; I didn't know original art wasn't a real commodity and that some people have such a better life in doujinshi that I wonder why most people wouldn't prefer to work in that (you can make a good and legal living off fanfiction comics; if you can do Ninja Turtle sex comics for a big audience then are DC and Marvel characters viable?)
He said one Doujin author more or less laughed off an offer from a big time publisher because why would you want horrible deadlines and an editor as co-writer? I can only guess the main incentive not to doujin is you probably wont get a multi-media hit.

Smith's editor was amused shaking his head at the violence in Peepo Choo and Smith says that this is the country that shocked the rest of the world with things like Fist Of The North Star and the editor replied that that level of violence is mostly from a bygone era in manga.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 10 July 2020 20:03 (three years ago) link

Maybe I should check if Berserk gradually decreases the violence.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 10 July 2020 20:04 (three years ago) link

I knew that Berserk removed a chapter from the collected edition because it was deemed too much of a spoiler but Piskor says something like 100 pages were removed from the collected version of Akira.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 10 July 2020 20:15 (three years ago) link

Huh? Why was that?

Nhex, Friday, 10 July 2020 20:47 (three years ago) link

I think he just wanted to omit and re-do some stuff because it was important to him. Apparently changes are made fairly often if the author has time to make these changes.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 10 July 2020 21:04 (three years ago) link

And the doujinshi printing services sound like a dream. It's not difficult to get all different kinds of paper and binding.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 10 July 2020 21:10 (three years ago) link

So glad I was reading Marvel and DC before all this online culture wars shit, it just looks like it would have sucked the joy out of everything.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 11 July 2020 18:40 (three years ago) link

anybody read Lewis Trondheim's (written not drawn) Infinity 8? I picked up a random issue and it seemed good, Dungeon-ish (in terms of complexity, not humor)

Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Saturday, 11 July 2020 19:31 (three years ago) link

i've been waiting for enough backlog of it to give it a serious go; i think it's at issue #22 or so now? Probably ripe!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 11 July 2020 19:57 (three years ago) link

Read the first couple issues of Matt Fraction's Adventureman; it's just OK so-far storywise, but I might stay on just for the Dodsons' art.

Nhex, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 20:56 (three years ago) link

Junji Ito's Lovesickness coming in April

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 18 July 2020 00:24 (three years ago) link

I'm impressed how thorough the database is becoming, still a lot of smaller creators I can't find but there's even serialized magazine listings for the bigger creators.
Didn't realize the Violence Jack was quite long. I liked the look of some of this I've seen years ago but I've come to assume all the best Go Nagai art has a lot of help from assistants.
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/violence-jack/4050-48159/

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 18 July 2020 00:35 (three years ago) link

Just tried to read some graphic novel called Gang of Fools which is so bad I'm about to give up. (It takes a lot to get me to that point) Like, I get that it's fun to make a crazy alternate world and skip around a lot with the edgy characters/settings/dialogue, but the artwork is so bad it's unreadable at points.

Nhex, Monday, 20 July 2020 01:18 (three years ago) link

infinity 8 is fucking amazing btw

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 20 July 2020 06:03 (three years ago) link

Kurt Busiek is sort of producing a series of Marvels-themed one-shots called Marvels: Snapshots, each focusing on a different hero and done by a different creative team, covers by Alex Ross. This is sort of to hype up his new ongoing The Marvels series. Pretty slept on, though I'm sure they'll be collected when finished.

(Not to be confused with the also Busiek-related Marvel #1 one-shot, or the Marvels X series which is a prequel to Earth X, sheesh. All of these have Alex Ross covers for maximum confusion.)

They've all been pretty decent, but this one I just read was great - Marvels: Snapshots - Captain America #1, written by Mark Russell. Taking place in grimy old '70s NYC, focuses on a young black man whose life gets altered when a supervillain "madbomb" attack causes massive violence throughout the city. The other boroughs get "fixed", but not the South Bronx, and his neighborhood and family business go to ruin. As a result, the kid loses out on college and he ends up joining AIM to make ends meet. Good story. (Bleeding Cool review here, to see about half the issue.)

Nhex, Monday, 20 July 2020 20:32 (three years ago) link

Never read any Ito. Anywhere good to start?

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 21 July 2020 15:08 (three years ago) link

Uzumaki, probably.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 21 July 2020 15:53 (three years ago) link

Fanta's virtual comicon schedule

Thursday, July 7/23, 4:00pm — Teaching and Making Comics
Ebony Flowers (Hot Comb), Roman Muradov (Vanishing Act), Trina Robbins (Flapper Girls), and Sophie Yanow (The Contradictions) are four vital cartoonists who have taught classes on comics themselves. They speak with James Sturm (Off Season) about their teaching philosophy, and how teaching has transformed their perspectives on the comics canon and their own work.
YouTube: https://youtu.be/I6A6OT1xr6U

Friday, July 7/24, 11:00am — TragiComics
Tom Gauld (Department of Mind-Blowing Theories), Simon Hanselmann (Bad Gateway), John Pham (J & K), Walter Scott (Wendy, Master of Art), and Rikke Villadsen (Cowboy) tackle complex subjects–and they are funny doing it! These five cartoonists speak to Graeme McMillan (The Hollywood Reporter) about how they use humor to process and respond to the difficulties and oddities of life.
YouTube: https://youtu.be/UuQ66Yw7Td0

Friday, July 7/24, 2:00pm — I Am Not Okay With This: From the Page to the Screen!
Cartoonist Charles Forsman (I Am Not Okay With This, The End of the F***ing World), director Jonathan Entwistle (I Am Not Okay With This, The End of the F***ing World), and actor Wyatt Oleff (It, I Am Not Okay With This) trace the evolution of the critically-acclaimed Netflix series I Am Not Okay With This back to its beginnings as an original graphic novel! Moderated by the book’s editor and Fantagraphics associate publisher, Eric Reynolds.
YouTube:https://youtu.be/RhgZSUbXJE8

Saturday, July 7/25, 12:00pm — Spotlight on The Cloven: With Garth Stein and Matthew Southworth
This panel will spotlight the debut sci-fi graphic novel collaboration by author Garth Stein (The Art of Racing in the Rain) and cartoonist Matthew Southworth (Stumptown). These two pacific northwestern creators have teamed up to create a one-of-a-kind story steeped in its Seattle roots. The Cloven: Book One is the first installment of this dynamic, atmospheric, and wryly funny graphic novel trilogy by two bestselling and critically acclaimed storytellers. Moderated by the book’s editor and Fantagraphics associate publisher, Eric Reynolds. YouTube: https://youtu.be/KQ-qOo1rGZw

Saturday, July 7/25, 6:00pm — Fantagraphics and IDW: Classic Comics Reprints
Classic comic reprints give readers of all ages a chance to read comic classics in new and exciting ways. Join moderator Karen Green (curator for comics and cartoons, Columbia University’s Rare Book & Manuscript Library) and panelists Dean Mullaney (The Library of American Comics creative director), Peter Maresca (founder and publisher of Sunday Press), and Eric Reynolds (Fantagraphics associate publisher) for a celebration of comic classics.
YouTube: https://youtu.be/7hoB7LgbjMU

Sunday, July 7/26, 6:00pm — Masters of Style: Woodring, Fleener, Muradov and Hernandez
The diverse but instantly recognizable styles of master cartoonists Jim Woodring (The Frank Book, Poochytown), Mary Fleener (Life of the Party, Billie the Bee), Roman Muradov (Vanishing Act), and Gilbert Hernandez (Love and Rockets) inspire many admirers and imitators. Join them for a discussion of line, color, abstraction, and the choice to hone (or not to hone) a single visual style of the course of a comics career. Moderated by Fantagraphics publisher Gary Groth.
YouTube: https://youtu.be/2ybAhDDsMvQ

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 16:25 (three years ago) link

https://hermespress.com/products/ditko-shrugged-the-uncompromising-life-of-the-artist-behind-spider-man-and-the-rise-of-marvel-comics-pre-order

I just found out about this. I'm very skeptical I'll learn much from it (and why so expensive?) but the decade worth of correspondence, new interviews with various creators and family involvement are probably enough for me.

This from the amazon page

“WALLY WOOD AND STEVE DITKO GOT ON WELL BECAUSE THEY SHARED A MUTUAL HATRED OF STAN LEE” - RALPH REESE

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 25 July 2020 16:18 (three years ago) link

Ooft, shipping to the UK as expensive as the book.

Mud... jam... failure (aldo), Saturday, 25 July 2020 16:34 (three years ago) link

Hideousness of the computer colours aside, lol that they have a special zoom-in function so you can see the super-janky zaggies on the terrible scan.

Steppin' RZA (sic), Saturday, 25 July 2020 19:57 (three years ago) link

The cover on amazon has different coloring so I'm guessing one or both of them is not the final cover.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 25 July 2020 21:12 (three years ago) link

Also: it's only 208 pages, so where is the cost coming from? Maybe all the letters are scanned? I might wait for reviews before I jump.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 25 July 2020 21:50 (three years ago) link

^^ Pulled out of Diamond altogether, switching all their periodical distribution to two mail-order companies, no international distribution to comic shops.

In normal times, this would definitely be a case of pointing and laughing when, like Heroes World, the plan flops. This seems so much more speedily doomed to failure that the only thing that makes sense is that it's intended as a strongarm move to get better terms out of Diamond.

However, decisions from DC that make sense have not been a core business strategy for about the last 15 years.

― an, uh, razor of love (sic), Saturday, June 6, 2020 9:27 AM (two months ago)

This went well, then.

Steppin' RZA (sic), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 10:16 (three years ago) link

AFAICT they are (at least in part) paying for the sins of HBO Go? Such fun to be part of a big corporate family!

Ask yoreself: are you're standards too high? (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 11:06 (three years ago) link

There was an interesting post about this from the comics writer/researcher Peter Sanderson on his Facebook page:

Back in the 1980s Warners apparently toyed with the idea of shutting down DC and outsourcing the publishing rights to Marvel. I was in a Marvel editorial meeting at which we discussed which DC titles we should publish if we got the rights. (I pushed for a "New Gods" book.) Now I wonder if it might come to the point that AT & T decides to outsource the comics publishing rights to DC characters. But who would get them? Marvel? IDW? Dark Horse? Would some characters end up at one company and other DC characters at another?

Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 11 August 2020 11:27 (three years ago) link

Shooter had a very brief opportunity to buy DC outright IIRC? And decided against it?

Ask yoreself: are you're standards too high? (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 12:22 (three years ago) link

Ahh, yes. Thank you for that.

LOL, of course Shooter decided that one of the seven launch titles would be LOSH.

Ask yoreself: are you're standards too high? (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 15:56 (three years ago) link

Wow, so it didn't happen because Marvel was fighting off an anti-trust lawsuit at the time. It would've been mindblowing to my child self to see that happen, I remember having such an interest in that X-Men/Teen Titans crossover story.

Nhex, Tuesday, 11 August 2020 16:41 (three years ago) link

That story is incredible! I didn’t know DC was in such dire straits back then.

Washington Foosball Team (morrisp), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 16:50 (three years ago) link

I dunno if they were in unusual dire straits, so much as adapting to shifting their business to full-sale instead of sale-or-shred - 1984 would have been the time of the first Baxter books, with New Teen Titans experimenting with One Year Later vs LSH trying out parallel stories on the newstand. Crisis was already in prep, and their creative renaissance was ramping up solidly by 1985.

A big boss at Warner Communications would probably have just been looking at some balance sheets, and not giving any shrift to. effectively, a brand new retail channel.

Steppin' RZA (sic), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 20:32 (three years ago) link

that was because Perelman bought it for $80million and then ran up $700million debt on toy companies, sticker companies, trading card companies and... pulling out of the distribution market and attempting to run their own distro through a too-small shell company. HMMM

Steppin' RZA (sic), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 23:16 (three years ago) link

if DC hadn't done their version during a pandemic, they probably would have tried to open a national chain of DC Universe toy shops / theme restaurants as well

Steppin' RZA (sic), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 23:17 (three years ago) link

DC appointing a new General Manager from the eSports division instead of an Editor-in-Chief, starting Friday 18th September

the Director of Publishing Operations, a 28-year veteran of DC (one of their longest employees) is among the fired, and those laid off are required to work 2-3 months notice.

Odds on print publishing being shut down by Christmas?

Steppin' RZA (sic), Wednesday, 12 August 2020 22:55 (three years ago) link

No one with any decision-making ability has had any idea what to do with DC in a very, very long time.

Or, well, I guess driving the whole thing into a wall at top speed is a decision of sorts.

Ask yoreself: are you're standards too high? (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 12 August 2020 23:11 (three years ago) link


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