― I GUARONTEE ::cajun voice:: (Adrian Langston), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:29 (eighteen years ago) link
― I GUARONTEE ::cajun voice:: (Adrian Langston), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:56 (eighteen years ago) link
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 18:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 18:50 (eighteen years ago) link
as for shaq, i haven't read the book yet! i totally wanna buy it tho.
― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 19:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 19:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 19:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 20:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― Jimmy Mod (I myself am lethal at 100 -110dB) (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 20:05 (eighteen years ago) link
― laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 20:26 (eighteen years ago) link
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 20:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 22:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 23:51 (eighteen years ago) link
1) the Pats *have* been widely disrespected at various points during their run. Exhibit A: widely considered to be the underdogs as the two-time champs playing at home in last year's playoffs against Indy, despite having dominated them for years.
2) the part about people giving up on them earlier in the season is certainly true. It's one thing to look at a 4-4 team with loads of injuries and say that they're done for even if they make the playoffs. But there was a lot of talk of the "even if they get healthy, this team can't win the SB" variety, which is unbelievably dumb considering they already HAVE won the SB with that team. Three times.
― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 5 January 2006 00:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 5 January 2006 00:06 (eighteen years ago) link
OTOH, he still drives his 1992 Corolla. They don't even make Corollas anymore!
― c(''c) (Leee), Thursday, 5 January 2006 01:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― Stormy Davis (diamond), Thursday, 5 January 2006 01:34 (eighteen years ago) link
I hope Jacksonville beats the shit out of them.
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Thursday, 5 January 2006 15:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 5 January 2006 19:05 (eighteen years ago) link
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Thursday, 5 January 2006 19:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― Mingus Dew (Mingus Dew), Saturday, 7 January 2006 10:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Saturday, 7 January 2006 22:26 (eighteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Sunday, 8 January 2006 09:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― Mingus Dew (Mingus Dew), Monday, 9 January 2006 01:27 (eighteen years ago) link
I think Kevin Faulk is the freaking secret weapon for the Pats success. That guy has had so many big plays turning 2 yard screens into big yardage it isn't funny. Faulk is the prototype of what a team wants with a 3rd down back.
Brady has been the perfect QB to go with that defense, as he has only thrown 3 interceptions in all of those playoff games. I'll give you that is impressive. Brady has been good by just not fucking up and having the luxury of never having to really air it out because they are behind.
It is more than Brady. They had a kicker who hit all of the big shots. The Pats got lucky on one of the oddest calls in the history of the game against the Raiders. They got a couple of TDs from their D, a couple of returns broke free (how they beat the Steelers once). Criminy, they won all three SB's by a field goal! It isn't like the Niners or Cowboys beating the Bills or Broncos by 40.
― earlnash, Monday, 9 January 2006 03:12 (eighteen years ago) link
Also, sports media obsessed with winners non-shocker of the millenium. See: Derek Jeter's press vs Derek Jeter's talent.
― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 9 January 2006 03:21 (eighteen years ago) link
The New England offense is terribly overrated and people suck their dick constantly, specifically Tom Brady's, is I believe the premise of the actual argument here.
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Monday, 9 January 2006 18:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 9 January 2006 18:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Monday, 9 January 2006 18:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:03 (eighteen years ago) link
I don't think the NE offense is overrated -- last year they were 3rd in points scored in the NFL.
― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:28 (eighteen years ago) link
― mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:31 (eighteen years ago) link
One could argue that Peyton Manning has received just as much media fawning over the past few years as Brady.
― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:31 (eighteen years ago) link
Don't YOU still give a shit about jeter, ally? Or have you gone turncoat national league on us now that you're down in the stix?
― Jimmy Mod (I myself am lethal at 100 -110dB) (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 04:37 (eighteen years ago) link
But plenty of it has been "can't get it done in the big games", a la Marino and Elway, whereas Brady is seemingly always "the next Joe Montana."
― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 05:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 05:56 (eighteen years ago) link
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Sunday, 15 January 2006 05:32 (eighteen years ago) link
THANK GOD FOR YOU DENVER. I WILL KEEP YOU IN MY PRAYERS FOREVER AND EVER.
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Sunday, 15 January 2006 05:35 (eighteen years ago) link
man, I am sad!
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/7403/patsbroncos021dw.jpg
― dar1a g (daria g), Sunday, 15 January 2006 06:02 (eighteen years ago) link
Getting behind and having to lob deep passes into coverage to make something happen is not as easy as it seems, no?
Welcome to the world that most QBs live within golden boy. It is a whole lot easier game when your D clamps down the other team and gives you choice field position.
Just wait two years Tom when that Pat's D is really fucking old and you are like oldman Farve throwing every third ball forty yards deep to some guy from South Dakota State praying to try and make something happen.
Look kiddo, I had to lead TD drives to win Superbowls, not leave it up to my kicker.
Get it, you are not me.
yours truly,
Joe Montana
― Earl Nash (earlnash), Sunday, 15 January 2006 06:09 (eighteen years ago) link
The bottom line is that the Pats have played well over this stretch, but have also gotten almost every break. Tonight every break went against them. Six turnovers is a hell of a lot, and it was weird to see Brady through a pick, Faulk put the ball on the ground, Brown put the ball on the ground, Vinny missing a chipper, etc. It was the bizarro Patriots.
Brady tonight looked like Peyton has looked in all of the Colts' losses to the Pats... skittish, pissed off, frustrated, continuously hassled, and yet still putting up a decent game.
For me, Brady is Derek Jeter. He has been given the reputation of the ultimate winner. He's a valuable guy, and certainly one of the five best quarterbacks in the NFL, but Derek Jeter and Tom Brady both become scrappy role players when they don't have talent around them, or the talent doesn't perform, and both of them are as capable of making big mistakes and gaffes as anyone.
― polyphonic (polyphonic), Sunday, 15 January 2006 06:11 (eighteen years ago) link
So I was 2/3 correct = mostly correct?
Actually, I think it's 1/2 Brady-style "he's great" fawning, 2/5 "how do you stop Peyton Manning???? How????" hyperbolic chest-beating, and 1/10 "when will he do shit?" sulking (always at the end of the season).
I can't argue about Simms' dick-sucking. All I could think about was "ugh, this is exactly what it's like watching the Yankees play in the postseason."
FUCK TURNOVERS. Bellichick never shows emotion on the sidelines and he was throwing a tantrum after Faulk's fumble.
If Denver play like that that against Indy (or maybe even Pittsburgh), they'll get killed. You can't put up nearly zero offense for three quarters against Peyton Manning et al and wait for turnovers in order to win.
― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 15 January 2006 06:19 (eighteen years ago) link