Tell Me about the Fender Jazzmaster (MOD: Also Jaguar, etc.)

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get better at guitar, you jerkoff.

gbx (skowly), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 01:48 (seventeen years ago) link

also could be a fret problem.

AaronK (AaronK), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 01:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Here's the poop on buying a Jazzmaster and caring for/setting up a JM.
AV is the only viable option. Stock pickups are accurate, the hardware is better than Japanese and the woods are good.
Step one after you get it: remove the neck. You'll need to do this anyway(more later).
There will be shims in the neck pocket.
BURN THEM. They were responsible for all notes above the 14th fret being weak and llacking whatever sustain thy would have had being SUDENLY different(less).
This will likely lower the action to the point that the bridge will be flush with the pickguard. That's very bad.
Put a thin ~3/16"-1/4" solid maple or alder wooden shim that's as close to filling the neck pocket as possible. drill holes in it as needed.
The bridge will fall right out.
use the tools that come with it to lower the bridge adjustments crews out of the bottom of the unit as far as possible. Wrap them in plumbers tape. return them. There will be more resistance. This keeps it from lowering on its own.
Do the same to the height adjustment screws on the saddles. Same reason.
The strings are too light stock.
Put the neck back on.
Change them to 11s at the minimum. This will require you to file the nut and to alter the neck relief when finished. The neck has to come off for this normally(see?) but now you've raised the neck higher in the pocket and you can do that without taking it off(hooraaaay!)
The bridge needs a setup next. This is pretty basic, just set the middle two strings to their near highest(more clearance from hitting the back of the bridge) and adjust the whole bridge with the two outside screws until they're approximately the height you want.
Use the other 4 saddles to adjust the rest of the strings. intonate with the method shown on Fender's site.

The trem is...interesting.
set the trem-lock to locked. Tighten the adjustment screw until it suddenly stops doing anything(but still moves without more effort) re tune. Now turn the screw the OTHER way until the guitar goes a tiny bit flat. Then simply tighten slowly until it goes back in-tune.

you're done!
If you still have problems, it's either THAT guitar or....you.

GZ out.

The GZeus (The GZeus), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 22:50 (seventeen years ago) link

THX. I knew I had to solicit my resident Jazzmaster expert.

John Justen, All Dude Dual Groom Swordfight Revue (johnjusten), Thursday, 24 August 2006 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Print that shit out.
save it.
You'll need it.

The GZeus (The GZeus), Thursday, 24 August 2006 03:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Genius - Dollar = me.

The GZeus (The GZeus), Thursday, 24 August 2006 04:57 (seventeen years ago) link

very helpful but mostly terrifying. i am all thumbs ('cept when shreddin', obvo), and "take the neck off" reads approximately like "now bite down on a rag and begin sawing into your leg."

some questions:

1. what is AV?
2. if i was bad at shop class, won't i fuck this up?

Mark Danjer (Danjer), Friday, 25 August 2006 00:38 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah what is AV?

electric sound of jim [and why not] (electricsound), Friday, 25 August 2006 00:39 (seventeen years ago) link

American Vintage.

Shop class...
Hmmm.
I could send the wood for like a buck, but I can't guaratee It'll be fitted.

it'll have hole that line up, but John will need to have the neck off a strat with the neck off so I could get the shape approximated.

Anything else is just... difficult.
John, tell him how to take a neck off.

The GZeus (The GZeus), Friday, 25 August 2006 03:34 (seventeen years ago) link

I'll get to this soon, I swear. Work and weddings (good lord, no, not mine) will probably delay me until Sunday.

John Justen, All Dude Dual Groom Swordfight Revue (johnjusten), Saturday, 26 August 2006 17:41 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
Or quite a bit longer...

Taking a neck off is easy if you can just get past the inherent scaryness of it.

1. Prop the instrument face down on some sort of inclined surface, so that it's supported only at the base of the body and at about the 3rd fret. Think towel on a table, with a stack of books under the neck.

2. Capo the neck at the 1st fret, if the strings are still on it (yes, it is ok to leave the neck under tension. Don't worry so much.)

3. Grip the instrument with your thumb on the neckplate and your fingers on the front of the neck. What you want to be able to do is counteract the tension of the strings as you remove the neck bolts. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT, because if you don't, the string tension will pull the last screw out of the hole and strip/crack it. Which is bad.

4. Now, while maintaining your death grip, remove the screws in a cross-pattern (upper right, lower left, lower right, upper left). When you have removed all screws, slowly release your hold on the neckplate, and let the strings pull the neck from the body in sort of a clmshell motion. Ta-dah! Now you are a skilled luthier. Tell all your friends.

To reattach neck, operate in reverse.

John Justen,a ninja slapboxing fajitas out of J. Casablancas dental dam. (johnju, Wednesday, 27 September 2006 16:33 (seventeen years ago) link

i didn't know there was so much Jag stuff in here!

teh_kit (g-kit), Thursday, 28 September 2006 12:34 (seventeen years ago) link

I have a Jazzmaster now!! Went over to Peter Cook's in Hanwell on Saturday and came away with a 2004 CIJ 62 reissue in Candy Apple Red. Anyone in London looking for a Jazzy - it's worth getting over there, they have 3 left I think, a white one for about £450, another shop-soiled Candy Apple Red with a chip on the back for £389 and a really unusual limited edition one in Burgundy Mist for £439. I really wanted to make myself like the Burgundy colour, because it's pretty rare to find one, but sadly it's just too pink for me.

First thoughts :

1) Amazing build quality
2) Really nice neck - great finish, really fast. Action nice and low.
3) ALL the pick-up positions sound good and the rhythm circuit wasn't as dark as I was expecting. Will definitely be able to get masses of good sounds out of this.
4) Why the feck do they ship these with 09 gauges on? I reckon I'll have to go up to 11s right away. Mind you, even with 09's I didn't get the strings to pop out of the saddles on bends, apart from the low E which jumped when I yanked it hard.

Incidentally, Peter Cook's is a pretty strange place - it's in a residential street off the Uxbridge Road, and is sort of in a couple of houses knocked together. Really shabby from the outside, but nice inside and v.friendly and helpful staff. Good prices too.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 9 October 2006 09:09 (seventeen years ago) link

four months pass...
I think I'm just gonna bump this...

Windy G Moisture, Saturday, 3 March 2007 02:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Good timing as I just got my '65 Jazzmaster back from the shop (refretted, general restoration, etc.) and I'm in love love love with it again.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/163/411771439_86d800acc6.jpg

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 5 March 2007 21:17 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm undecided about whether to buy a Jaguar or a Jazzmaster now...

Can anyone tell me if these samples are pretty accurate on the site here?

I'd always imagined the Jazzmaster to be more trebly in all respects that the Jaguar, but these seem to suggest that on the higher strings there is more roundness in the Jaguars tone (The Jazzmasters lower strings seem lovely and full sounding though, definitely here the Beach Boys in the there)

Thanks!

Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 18:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Arrgh! I mean:

I'd always imagined the the Jaguar to be more trebly that the Jazzmaster.

Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 18:10 (seventeen years ago) link

The jag is a cool guitar, but Jazzmasters always sound better to me, definitely fuller sounding.

John Justen, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 21:47 (seventeen years ago) link

The jag is kind of a one-trick pony, depsite all the switches.

Windy G Moisture, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 22:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Tricky call. I guess it depends what sound you want really and what amp and FX you want to use. I don't have enough experience on a Jag to say what works and what doesn't, all I know is that you SHOULD be able to get the sounds that you expressed an interest in on the other thread. What I CAN say, is that you will DEFINITELY be able to get them out of a Jazzmaster. I think all things being equal, on most rigs a Jazzy will sound fuller and richer.

I am now getting some monstrous sounds out of the Jazzy, on a fairly budget set-up. If you're using more than moderate overdrive you have to be careful to EQ everything so that there are plenty of mids (but I guess that's a general rule for just about anything) and not too much treble, otherwise the nice crispy tone can get harsh. Most of the time I am running Jazzy - Compressor - Bad Monkey - Blues Driver into a Marshall with on-board delay. The compressor is useful for just smoothing off the excess grit when the BM and BD are on together. It's also good for chunking up the cleans.

With that rig I can get some REALLY huge sounds on both the Neck and Bridge p/ups. There's something about the tone that is really unusual - I think of it as 'crispy' rather than 'crunchy' with overdrive added. Even when you crank up the gain, the articulation in the chords is very clear - not a wall of mush like with Humbuckers. The cleans are something else - really surfy on the bridge p/up and creamy smooth and acoustic-like on the neck. I am also SO impressed with the Tremolo - much better design than, say, a Strat - so sensitive and responsive. With a set of 11s on there the tuning is rock solid too, even with some heavy trem-wang. You can get that 'whalesong' type MBV/shoegazy sound very easily too.

The pickups are not really all that 'vintage' sounding, it's true. But they're vintage enough for me - I can get some pretty distinctive garage and surf tones, but they're maybe only 80% of the way there. That's one upgrade that I feel I might do in the future - get some authentic sounding pickups, but really it sounds so bloody great as it is that I might not bother.

I don't know if this has given you any further ideas, Chewshabadoo? I hope so.

I still want a Jag as well, just to have one really....

Dr.C, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 10:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Examples of the huge sounds that I'm wibbling on about here include the crashing chords towards the end of Cocteau Twins ' Violane' , the J.Mascis tone, and MBV/Slowdive-y sounds. It's great to be able to move between them with the flick of a couple of switches.

Dr.C, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 12:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Japanese Jazzmasters have strat pickups under the covers.
The American Vintage models have far more accurate pickups.

Also, keep in mind alot of the 'vintange' sound on records is mics,. micing, production techniques, mixing boards, etc. used at the time of the recording.

Windy G Moisture, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 19:27 (seventeen years ago) link

They are not strat pickups. They are thinner than the ones used on the American Vintage reissues, and more like strat pickups, but they are not actual strat pickups.

Dr.C, Thursday, 8 March 2007 09:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Personally, the Jazzmaster's short-scale neck always annoyed me.

The Jaguar is way more friendly to my big paws esp. chording above the 12th fret.

Steve Shasta, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 21:26 (seventeen years ago) link

somethings not right about that. the jazzmaster has a longer scale, it's the jaguar that's typically considered 'short scale' even though its the same scale as a Les Paul.

horrid bluegrass clicktrack, Thursday, 15 March 2007 05:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, I think you have it the wrong way round Steve?

Dr.C, Thursday, 15 March 2007 13:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Jaguar - 24" scale
Jazzmaster - 25.5" scale

John Justen, Thursday, 15 March 2007 18:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Maybe I'm using the wrong term... the distance between frets is larger on the Jaguar.

Either that, or I'm completely insane... you make the call.

Steve Shasta, Friday, 16 March 2007 01:20 (seventeen years ago) link

From the Why the Fender Jaguar Does Not Suck FAQ:


The Stratocaster scale is 25.5" from saddle to nut. This is only about 4% difference in scale. All Gibson guitars, Les Pauls etc, are 24.75". That's only a quarter of an inch difference between the Jaguar and the Les Paul. Far too often is the Jaguar referred to (and dismissed) as a "short scale" guitar. When in fact it is more of a medium scale. And as has been mentioned, not dissimilar to the standard Gibson scale. There are also smaller scales than 24" used for guitars as well. For example, the 22.5" scale necks used on 'student' Mustangs, Musicmasters and Duo-Sonics etc.

The fretboard radius is curved to 7.25" on a Jaguar, the same as alot of other Fender guitars. Some people complain about "choking off" on these radius. A problem which can always be solved by raising the action by a very small amount. If people are insistent on having the action so low, in combination with bending 8's two whole notes, then nothing can stop choking off on a 7.25" radius. A Japanese Jaguar special has a 9.5" radius fretboard.

William Selman, Friday, 16 March 2007 19:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Sorry forgot the first sentence which is: "The Jaguar scale is 24" from saddle to nut."

William Selman, Friday, 16 March 2007 19:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Steve, the longer the scale length, the wider the spacing between frets, I'm afraid. Still, you aren't going to notice the space between frets as much as you'll notice a difference in the amount of tension in the strings, so I'd say you're merely suffering from wake-boarding induced delusions, not insane per se.

John Justen, Friday, 16 March 2007 20:37 (seventeen years ago) link

two years pass...

Sonic Youth signature Jazzmasters: http://fender.com/sonicyouth/

The Thurston model looks kinda cool actually.

Carroll Shelby Downard (Elvis Telecom), Saturday, 13 June 2009 07:32 (fourteen years ago) link

i'd quite like the lee ranaldo one!

comedy cafe at the toxteth hotel (electricsound), Saturday, 13 June 2009 07:47 (fourteen years ago) link

My Jazzmaster is in my mom's closet in America and I miss it so much.

what u arrestin me for, innit (╓abies), Saturday, 13 June 2009 12:44 (fourteen years ago) link

as a committed wide-range humbucker fan, the lee guitar looks amazing.

DUDE, I DON'T LOSE (call all destroyer), Saturday, 13 June 2009 14:24 (fourteen years ago) link

I guess what I really want is the Lee model with the green finish of the Thurston one.

Honestly though, shouldn't the signature models be just a box of Jazzmaster parts to build your own config?

Carroll Shelby Downard (Elvis Telecom), Saturday, 13 June 2009 19:14 (fourteen years ago) link

Anybody know what they mean by "newly revoiced and improved Fender wide range humbuckers"? Did they actually use cunife magnets this time around? Curious bout what's actually under the hood.

what u arrestin me for, innit (╓abies), Sunday, 14 June 2009 02:48 (fourteen years ago) link

probably overwound like every other bastardized fender pickup of the last 10 years :(

ecstatic i poisoned u with nachos t(:Dt) (jjjusten), Sunday, 14 June 2009 04:01 (fourteen years ago) link

What y'all think of this jazz/jag bridge: http://www.masterybridge.com/home.html

My thoughts:
1) $HMMM.00
2) Posts are set or whatever and it doesn't swivel. They say it stays in tune w all kinds of divebombing: but how??
3) Otherwise, want.

what u arrestin me for, innit (╓abies), Monday, 15 June 2009 11:33 (fourteen years ago) link

Offset guitars website have many users of the mastery bridge. Most are totally positive about it, but there are a few reports that you MAY still need to use tape/glue etc to stop unwanted movement. I haven't seen or used one, but it seems a pretty expensive solution to me. I don't believe you can divebomb with it - i've certainly not read any reports that the range of operation is any greater than with any other jag or jazz trem/bridge combination.

I've just changed the bridge on my Jag to a Mustang bridge with tape-wrapped posts, and it's 100% stable. I think you may lose a little bit of trem range by locking the posts compared to a properly set up, fully floating system (I have my Jazzmaster with stock bridge for comparison), but I was having so many rattling and tuning problems with the stock bridge that I decided to switch.

Dr.C, Monday, 15 June 2009 13:54 (fourteen years ago) link

Dude does some divebombing in a video on the website, actually.

what u arrestin me for, innit (╓abies), Monday, 15 June 2009 14:44 (fourteen years ago) link

Hmm - I'll have to look at that.

Dr.C, Monday, 15 June 2009 14:55 (fourteen years ago) link

dude in one of my bands sprung for one of those mastery bridges, it's pretty sweet

6335, Thursday, 18 June 2009 04:06 (fourteen years ago) link

seven months pass...

Bumping to vent how much I hate setting up my Jazzmaster. I hope GZeus doesn't yell at me cuz I shimmed it with match sticks.

jazz bus (╓abies), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 23:40 (fourteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

WTF

Möbius dick (╓abies), Wednesday, 10 February 2010 16:50 (fourteen years ago) link

WAI?

(ahem: What about it?)

Mark G, Thursday, 11 February 2010 09:22 (fourteen years ago) link

They look like the bullets from the "tooth gun" in eXistenZ.

might seem normal (snoball), Thursday, 11 February 2010 09:58 (fourteen years ago) link

I can see that they'd make a difference to a fixed bridge instrument, but on a Jazzmaster with so many other things affecting tone?

might seem normal (snoball), Thursday, 11 February 2010 10:02 (fourteen years ago) link

ahem: What about it?

Oh nothin really, just WTFing because I have an abundance of time, and basically what snoball said. Like it'd probably be way more effective to develop some G&L style saddle lock thing or something, or something to directly increase string>body transference, etc... Also LOL @ "man made ivory" angle for yr weird plastic parts.

Möbius dick (╓abies), Friday, 12 February 2010 02:22 (fourteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...

I have decided that I need one of these things more than I need financial security

I guess sooner or later [...] this happens to everyone?

Are the Mexican Classic Player ones regarded as a pretty good bet with these (JM or Jag, haven't played them recently to work out which one I like best)? There don't seem to be so many Japanese reissue ones readily available anymore as per Dr C's annoyingly shrewd investment upthread. I'm not so interested in the affordable blacktop ones because they come in shit colours. Yeah.

The CP ones are like c£700 in the UK and $800 in the US; are US dealers allowed to ship these things to Europe? Does anybody know any good websites that do? Alternately, is trying to import from Fender Japan worthwhile?

Bad Fucking Dowie (Sgt. Biscuits), Sunday, 30 January 2011 22:41 (thirteen years ago) link


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