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(Actually a mix to give some of you eventually too.)

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 01:54 (nineteen years ago) link

great. my ears need some butter.
have you heard sabah fakhri? try and get a live disc. wonderful stuff.

m0stly clean (m0stly clean), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 03:07 (nineteen years ago) link

I have a few Sabah Fakhri cassettes. I find his style is mostly a little harsh (though no disrespect to Sabah Fakhri). My favorite of the bunch is "Au Theatre des Amandiers" Vol. 2, which doesn't seem to be available on CD. If you like him, you might want to try Shadi Jameel who works in the same genre. (I'm not sure what the name is, but it's some sort of 19th century Syrian classical music! Possibly a 19th century revival/reimagining of Andalusian styles.)

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 11:18 (nineteen years ago) link

For the record: I bought Yousef Shamoun's Taneh wu Raneh and Abraham Salman's Saltana, both very good in different ways. The Shamoun has more of a shlock element in it, so I couldn't loan it to certain people. I think Shamoun is a good singer, and the rhythms are mostly great, deep, rhythms. The Salman CD is more classically oriented.

RS, Thursday, 14 April 2005 02:21 (nineteen years ago) link

From D.J. Rupture(Jace Clayton's excellent blog):

http://www.negrophonic.com/words/

"saturday, the Arabesk throwdown in Bruxelles. I´ll DJ with an eastward lean and do a brief collabo with Chronomad (who´ll play Persian percussion thru guitar amps over my beats). My Istanbul point man Serhat Köksal aka 2/5 BZ is gonna blast us with a live audio-visual set. No turistik - No egzotik! Turkish lo-fi punk sampler saz psychedelia never sounded/looked so good!"


steve-k, Friday, 22 April 2005 13:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Marcel Khalife's jazzy piano-playing son is coming to the Kennedy Center, and Hassan Hakmoun and others will be out at the new Strathmore Theatre in Rockville, MD outside DC in May. I'd like to see the latter show.

steve-k, Friday, 22 April 2005 13:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Iranian singer Shahrokh is coming to the 1,800 seat Lisner Aud. in DC. Haven't heard him yet, but the desciption on his website makes him seem pretty schlocky and bombastic.

steve-k, Friday, 22 April 2005 20:15 (eighteen years ago) link

"Skaba" is an amazingly great song.

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 10:50 (eighteen years ago) link

There's some promising looking new Gulf music recordings (I want to say "Gulfen") percolating up lately: Rashed el Majed, on the new releases page (for now): http://www.rashid.com/search_result.asp?special=New+Release

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Friday, 29 April 2005 02:11 (eighteen years ago) link

um. shahrokh is GREAT. ok he's not all-time classic like googoosh or something but he's good enough, if mildly undistinguished for a pop star.

http://www.shahrokhmusic.com/oldmusic.htm

there are samples here. his album "ghoroob" ("dusk") is particularly amazing for the classic psychedelic instrumentation. his "dance mix" album has fantastic irangeles beats.

vahid (vahid), Friday, 29 April 2005 03:14 (eighteen years ago) link

schlocky = well, it's definitely pop. and persian culture is certainly slanted towards the nostalgic.

bombastic = defining characteristic of persian music!

OTOH if some of it sounds saccharine, i'd venture that it's because of cultural distance. same way asian music might sound harsh to westernized ears.

vahid (vahid), Friday, 29 April 2005 03:20 (eighteen years ago) link

i guess my point is = nothing particularly schlocky or bombastic about this particular guy, against the larger backdrop of iranian pop.

vahid (vahid), Friday, 29 April 2005 03:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Is that from the 70s (Ghoroob)?

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Friday, 29 April 2005 03:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Shahrokh just seems to have, well that same melodramatic feel that Celine Dion and various Europoppers have, and I'm not crazy about that no matter what culture it is from.

steve-k, Friday, 29 April 2005 12:43 (eighteen years ago) link

His singing sounds good to me (judging by these clips). There are other things about the music I don't especially like, but his voice and singing seem like strong points.

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Friday, 29 April 2005 12:45 (eighteen years ago) link

I think I may have enough Cairo style popular music from the 40s and 50s (and especially the 60s and 70s) for now. The later songs, and especially the last song (which is pretty long), on this Laure Daccache CD are good enough, but I think I've had enough of this sort of thing for a while. It's kind of dreary too, at times.

On the other hand, I've been extremely happen with some of the trad. pop Syrian things I've been buying, and I really like that (mostly solo) kanun CD by Abrahama Salman, and I definitely am going to look into a couple recent Gulfen releases. (See above.)

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Monday, 2 May 2005 22:33 (eighteen years ago) link

(Abraham. I don't know how that extra a got in there.)

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Monday, 2 May 2005 22:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Hey, try these (raw, sometimes really bad from the sounds of it, but also some good stuff, and most of you will probably like what I think is bad stuff better anyway, and I don't know why it's taken me so long to get back to this bookmarked page):

http://f1.pg.briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/askthegirl/lst?.dir=/Party+from+Damascus!

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Sunday, 8 May 2005 12:40 (eighteen years ago) link

(You can always tell when I'm awake.)

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Sunday, 8 May 2005 12:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, sorry about the DJ patter. Also, this is middle eastern in general, not just Arabic.

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Sunday, 8 May 2005 12:46 (eighteen years ago) link

(Ugh sorry most modern Arabic pop really is crap.)

RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Sunday, 8 May 2005 12:52 (eighteen years ago) link

can i suggest holly valance's dance cover of tarkan's " kiss , kiss"

volly halance, Sunday, 8 May 2005 13:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I really need to splurge and get high-speed internet at home. It takes me forever to check out songs listed or linked above.

Steve K (Steve K), Sunday, 8 May 2005 15:00 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
I like what I'm hearing on the samples here: DJ Cheb I Sabbah: La Kahena. (Also, because of his name I always assumed DJ Cheb I Sabbah was just some western wanker from London or Paris.)

RS (Catalino) LaRue (RSLaRue), Saturday, 11 June 2005 12:19 (eighteen years ago) link

This sounds like it probably stomps all over a lot of the "Arabesque electronica" type things put out over here.

RS (Catalino) LaRue (RSLaRue), Saturday, 11 June 2005 12:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I bought this last week on a whim after hearing some of it on a listening post. It's fabulous. I had only been peripherally aware of Cheb i Sabbah before, and associated him with MidEval Punditz doing Indian electronica (which turns out to be right). But it turns out he has an interesting thang going on: High-quality recording of "local" artists, fairly minimal production overlay except for tabla and Bill Laswell bass, and some mixing/combining songs. And the fact that he is an Algerian/Berber Jew working with Muslim artists (some Arab, some tribal) and one Yemenite Jew, all women, in a variety of genres (from rai to devotional chants). Anyway, it hangs together really well, doesn't seem at all cheesy, and sounds great.

Vornado, Saturday, 11 June 2005 14:31 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
THE ROUGH GUIDE TO THE SAHARA
(World Music Network)

Maybe it's just the harem scenes in racist movies, but seldom will you hear a regional compilation at once so distant and so familiar. The Sahara is bigger than Europe, and insofar as these often nomadic artists—very few of whom I'd heard before, with only the jet-setting Tinariwen and one other on Festival in the Desert—have home bases, most hail from lands thousands of miles apart, and further off the musical map than Mali: Mauritania, Niger, Libya, the Morocco-occupied "Western Sahara." Yet except for the closer, a long poem-sermon with rosewood flute by an Algerian Berber, they share lulling chants, many by women, and a steady pulse that seems neither African nor European but "Arab," which it isn't. Although often born of political conflict, they evoke eternal things—subsistence beyond nations, a post-nuclear future, world without end amen. A

I don't think there's a generic thread for Saharan or N. African music, so I'm noting this here. This isn't my favorite type of stuff (I've been pretty underwhelemed with Tinariwen), but I like much of what I'm hearing on the audio samples. I don't know what Christgau knows (something I'm increasingly loath to underestimate), and I'm certainly no expert, but I wonder if he's wrong to back away so quickly from saying that the pulse here is Arab. I think on some tracks it is. Tadzi-Out's "Chet Féwet" sounds really close to traditional music from Kuwait, to me anyway. Just because the music isn't Arab music, doesn't mean some aspects of it are derived from the Arabs.

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Friday, 1 July 2005 14:33 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
http://shop.middleeast.com/images/dandanaCD_300.jpg

This has some good stuff on it, of a sort that I so far I've only previously had on cassette. 08 - Assel Abu Bakr - Aseebak is especially interesting, with lots of the typically really good, almost percussive, oud playing that typically shows up in this music, a female chorus that keeps doing this odd sort of dip (maybe this has been electronically modified somehow), and layers of percussion, and the inescapable violins.

Yo soy Rockist Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 17 July 2005 12:40 (eighteen years ago) link

(Lebanon.com is not actually on the album cover, and the album is music from Gulf states, not Lebanon, just to clear up any possible confusion.)

Yo soy Rockist Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 17 July 2005 12:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Good article in the NYT today:

July 27, 2005
An Iraqi-American Helps to Keep Soulful Music From Baghdad Alive
By ROBIN SHULMAN

When Amir ElSaffar sang his sad, lamenting music at an Arab-American arts center in Lower Manhattan earlier this month, people closed their eyes and mouthed the words. When he stopped, they crowded around and said how he had moved them.

"I smell the Tigris," one woman at the Alwan for the Arts center said. Others said the music made them smell Iraqi fish, feel Iraqi heat and miss Iraqi family. While his songs took the audience of Iraqi-Americans back to a Baghdad that no longer exists, Mr. ElSaffar is fighting to help make sure that the music does.

The Iraqi maqam - maqam (pronounced ma-KAHM) is the name for a musical genre and also the specific pieces in it - has been played for centuries in Baghdad coffeehouses, homes and mosques. It consists of a repertory of melodies, performed by a singer with an instrumental ensemble, that can be used in improvisations according to specific rules.

But since the 1930's Egyptian and Lebanese radio and later television have weaned Iraqis from homegrown traditions. And during the last 60 years of frequent political turmoil and war, some of the greatest maqam masters, along with other artists, have fled the country. Since the American invasion in March 2003, the fear of violence has kept many remaining musicians from performing and teaching. Today, only one person alive is known to have mastered the full repertory of 56 maqam melodies, Yeheskel Kojaman, an Iraqi musicologist, said in a telephone interview from London. Unesco has identified the Iraqi maqam as an "intangible heritage of humanity" and plans to encourage performances and training.

So when Mr. ElSaffar, an Iraqi-American jazz and classical trumpeter who lives in New York, went to Baghdad in 2002 to learn his ancestral musical tradition, he had trouble finding a maestro who would take him on. For the last two and a half years he has been traveling in Europe, studying with exiled Iraqi masters. Back in New York since May, he has formed an ensemble to perform maqam music and has taught others to play it with him.

Mr. ElSaffar, 27, does not seem like a natural crusader for Iraqi culture. He was raised in Oak Park, Ill., by an American Christian mother, a professor of Spanish literature, and an Iraqi Shiite Muslim father, a physics professor. Mr. ElSaffar, who says he does not subscribe to any particular religion, learned only a smattering of Arabic and while growing up visited Iraq just once, with his father, in 1993.

But when he won a $10,000 prize for jazz trumpet in an international competition, he said, he decided to use the money to go to Iraq and learn its music. He added that only when he began to weep at the Baghdad airport did he realize he had been starved to connect with his father's country. In Mr. ElSaffar's first weeks in Baghdad in March 2002, as he listened to a maqam and heard the pain in the singer's voice, he felt something break open inside him, he said. "It sounded like crying to me," he said, a sobbing that became singing and drew him in. He said that he had also felt an intellectual fascination for the improvisation. He learned to play a maqam on his trumpet, and soon found a teacher of joza, a fiddle made from a coconut shell and the heart tissue of a water buffalo. The other instruments in a maqam ensemble are usually the santur, a kind of dulcimer; an Arabic tabla, a goblet-shaped drum; and a riqq, a tambourine.

By June 2002, when Mr. ElSaffar returned to New York to play trumpet with Cecil Taylor, maqam music was influencing his jazz performance and he said he knew he had become obsessed. That fall, he went back to Iraq to continue studying the maqam, and stayed until the end of the year.

He said that a man in Baghdad had said to him: "Why did you come here? Are you crazy? Why don't you just go to London? The only maqam singer left who knows the entire repertory is in London. Find him." He did. For the next three years he traveled through Europe pursuing three great musicians of the maqam tradition. He took the train with a suitcase packed with a dozen maqam books, some 50 tapes, perhaps 75 CD's.

To make money, he got out his trumpet for occasional jazz gigs, and also tapped an inheritance from his mother, who had died. In Munich he went to Baher al-Regeb, among the first to notate the Iraqi maqam, and the son of the maqam musician Hajj Hashem al-Regeb. In a small city in the Netherlands he studied with a maqam singer known by her first name, Farida. But in London he found his maestro in Hamid al-Saadi, the man said to be the only one to know the entire repertory.

The teaching of the maqam is an oral tradition passed from master to student. Systems for transliterating the music in Western musical notation are just as approximate as transliterating Arabic words in English letters. Mr. ElSaffar would record his lesson with Mr. al-Saadi and then rehearse for hours from the recording, singing and playing santur on his own.

Brilliant maqam composers last established new pieces in the repertory in the 1920's, Mr. ElSaffar said. At that time, Jews were the main instrumentalists for maqam music. When most Jews left Iraq in the early 1950's, the government forced two Jewish musicians to stay behind and train two Muslims in their art, Baher al-Ragab said in a telephone interview from Munich. He said his father was one of the Muslims.

In his own search for musical greats, Mr. ElSaffar contacted musicians in Tel Aviv only to find that the old generation of Iraqi performers had died and no new one had risen in their place.

Today, the mosque is the safest repository for maqam music in Iraq, and variations of it are part of the recitation of the Koran - by both Sunnis and Shiites - including the call to prayer, mourning rituals, and celebrations of the birth of the Prophet Muhammad. But Mr. ElSaffar said he hoped that by performing, teaching and researching the maqam he can help the secular tradition of the music to thrive.

"Amir," his teacher, Mr. al-Saadi, said in a telephone interview, "is preserving the true essence of this music."

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 14:04 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
I checked out a clip from the new Hakim CD and I have to admit I like his singing. He reminds me of Ahamad Adaweia. I thought I had tried him before and found him wanting. In fact, I thought I had a tape of his sitting around here, but if I do it would probably be from at least ten years ago, so maybe his sound has hardened up a bit.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 18 August 2005 11:40 (eighteen years ago) link

And could I just say: emotional response. It's not some arbitrary fucking purism. The old school singers I always mention take me places emotionally that the New Sound singers do not. It's not necessarily easy to talk about.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 18 August 2005 11:42 (eighteen years ago) link

(I'm really just talking Egypt here.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 18 August 2005 11:44 (eighteen years ago) link

So Christgau is probably right (or "right" since we aren't talking about facts here) again re: Hakim.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 18 August 2005 11:49 (eighteen years ago) link

I haven't heard a new Hakim, but I have the live album that Christgau jizzed over and I've heard other recent stuff. It's OK-ish, and I suspect his sound did harden up some, because I would not describe it as soft. But I don't listen to it much. Decent party music, but it falls a little short of being interesting or pretty.

Vornado, Thursday, 18 August 2005 11:58 (eighteen years ago) link

i never thought his voice was soft either, and that live CD deserved xgau's gushing as far as i'm concerned. (just posted a question about this on the p&j latin thread, so see there...)

xhuxk, Thursday, 18 August 2005 12:04 (eighteen years ago) link

(i mean, maybe his voice and sound were soft ONCE, i dunno. i've only heard a couple albums by him. i guess it's soft if you compare it to say, rachid taha. but then, so is opeth!) (he did do lots of swishy dance moves when i saw him live, though. they were really entertaining!)

xhuxk, Thursday, 18 August 2005 12:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I may have mixed him up with a Hashim. Is there a Hashim?

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 18 August 2005 12:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Or Hisham. There's a Hisham Abbas.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 18 August 2005 12:14 (eighteen years ago) link

The thing is, once I got sick of new sound, I mostly stopped paying close attention. (Also I haven't been back to talk to my Palestinian-American music informant for a long time.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 18 August 2005 12:15 (eighteen years ago) link

He hates most of the new stuff anyway though. He made me into an Arabic music rockist.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 18 August 2005 12:17 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Apparently, Laure Daccache just died recently:

Lebanese-Egyptian singer Laure Dakkash died in Cairo; she was 88. She had a hit song in 1939, it was titled Aminti Bi-l-Lah. But the song continued to be played in Arab media. I used to do an imitation of the song because it was odd in lyrics and music. Let me sing it for you:
Aminti bi-l-laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
Aminti bi-l-laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Nur jamalik ayah
aya mni-l-laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
Aminti bi-l-laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

http://angryarab.blogspot.com/

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 23:30 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
http://www.lebanon.com/radio/iskandar.htm

Mohamed Iskandar needs no introduction; his long fruitful journey in his musical career made him one of the icons of Lebanese music.

We are proud to announce the release of his new album with 8 terrific brand new tracks of pure Lebanese Shaabi and folkloric music.

Iskandar Studied music and learned how to play Oud in the Conservatoire in 1984. Graduated from Layali Lebanon Program in 1988 and got the Golden Medallion for the Lebanese Shaabi Music category. Also in 1988 he released his all-time smash hit “Meen El Shaagel Balak” which was a great success and gave him huge exposure in the Middle East. (it is interesting to know that this song was written and composed by him)

During his long journey he released 15 albums with more than 140 songs and 20 video clips

the 8 tracks are great additions to the artist’s rich repertoire.. The first single is track no.3 La Tekser Bikhater Mara, which is expected to set the dance/Dabkah floors on fire. First track Hakeeni is a great opening with the outstanding Mawal in the beginning. Iskandar is famous with his perfect Mawwals as he starts most of his songs with one. Of course folkloric songs like Track 4 Ataba w Mejana and 5 Jammal are excellent Dabkah tracks which can be heard mostly in weddings.

This is a must-have album for all Lebanese Shaabi/folkloric music lovers, Dabkah lovers and Mohamed Iskandar fans which are a lot and the longevity in his musical career is a perfect proof.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 11:53 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
This isn't Arabic music, but I'm not sure where else to put it and don't see much point in starting a thread about Algerian or Berber music in general. I saw Houria Aichi in concert once and she was great. (I haven't previewed this video, since I just came across it at work.)

http://www.mondomix.com/en/videos.php?artist_id=202&reportage_id=565

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Algerian singer Souad Massi's latest cd Honeysuckle sounds more Algerian than her prior ones(which had heavy American folk singer/songwriter and French cafe influences). I like it.

curmudgeon steve (DC Steve), Saturday, 24 December 2005 05:27 (eighteen years ago) link

More Arabic music in France:

http://mattgy.net/music/

From Matt's blog on December 11th (he also posts songs):

"Last weekend I got a bunch of my friends to join in a trip up to Clichy-sous-Bois, a suburb northeast of Paris, to see a Moroccan gnawa concert by Hmida Boussou. As many of you already know, Clichy-sous-Bois was the original flashpoint for the recent riot troubles in France. The point of the trip was then two-fold: to check-out this place so badly portrayed in the media as a centre of racial hatred and burning cars, and to listen to some great live gnawa music from down in Essaouira.

As expected, Clichy-sous-Bois’ downtown turned out to be a quiet little French town much like any other Parisian suburb. That said, we weren’t in the middle of the cités but as one Clichy-sous-Bois resident put it, “this isn’t Chechnya.” It’s actually a nice little place that’s a pain in the ass to access using public transport at night. The Boussou concert was part of the ongoing Afrocolor festival in the suburbs of Paris. I’ve been busy with work, life and travel so I haven’t been able to check-out any of the other shows, but the programme is impressive and the festival is quite well-organized.

The Gnawa are a sufi Islamic brotherhood from southern Morocco (around Marrakesh and Essaouira) who use music, rhythm and dance to heal and entrance their followers. Gnawa music has become sort of trendy in Western culture this last while which is why I ask myself, isn’t track 5 on the Cowboy Bebop sountrack a gnawa song? Does anyone know anything about it? Song posted below.

Anyway, the Hmida Boussou concert was great. He’s a well-known Gnawa musician back home and if my armchair Google research is any indication he commands a far-reaching and good reputation. At the show everyone was rockin’ out to the rhythms and an entranced fan or two even hit a trance and dropped to their knees on stage. Definitely worth the RER. I picked-up his CD called Les Fils de Bambara on the way out - don’t think you can buy it in stores."

curmudgeon steve (DC Steve), Saturday, 24 December 2005 05:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Algerian singer Souad Massi's latest cd Honeysuckle sounds more Algerian than her prior ones

Really? What little I heard didn't sound too Algerian, but I heard very little. I'm not too interested in her.

Gnawa is good live. Well, the only performer I've seen is Hassan Hakmoun. Too bad I missed him last time he was here. (I didn't plan my day well, and then at the last minute I was trying to hail a taxi in pouring rain, while dodging homicidal Philadelphia drivers. I got so fed up with the whole thing that I just went home.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 24 December 2005 14:13 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
This sounds like something I'd like, though I am not sure any of it is actually new material. (I recognize quite a few of the songs.)

http://www.maqam.com/cdcvr/NM-HMC1341.jpg

Layali Nour

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:21 (eighteen years ago) link

It sounds like a somewhat more populist/folkier version of some strand of Syrian classical music (which is closely related to their folk music anyway, I suppose).

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:30 (eighteen years ago) link


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