Is Elvis Presleys in the ghetto the whitest song ever ?

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i remember back when u.s. "lad" was just starting which i guess was "mook" and it was cute at first and sorta a breath of fresh air and maura i thought was a bit sky-is-falling about it but now i look around and the gate cracked a little and gender shit has been thrown back DECADES in america and the self-conscious "yeah i'm a guy and i like sexy girls, okay?" thing turned all smug and ugly.

so heed trife on this -- the "unhip" whiteness is a way of deepening the race divide. it never ceases to astound me how many ppl. are really that unconsciously fearful of cultural integration.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 30 June 2003 07:58 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, good point. Trife doesn't use very effective methods though, does he... anyway, Anthony please come back and explain.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 30 June 2003 08:06 (twenty years ago) link

buddha sack to thread

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 30 June 2003 08:14 (twenty years ago) link

sterl - I don't think people have any issues with heeding trife's 'argument' (they might have issues with him though); as was noted before he even posted 'haha us whiteys are lame = lame lame lame' was noted, tabled. perhaps momus can come here and defend 'exoticising/dehumanising non-whites as progressiveness thru transgressiveness' and I'm sure everyone we'll find it very interesting for the x millionth time, with the bonus attraction of momus and trife reducing politics to rhetorical flourish, but until then trife's "you can't handle the truth" act here is about as pointless as bursting in on a thread about water slides, pointing out water's wet, and then pouting if the thread doesn't immediately become about how water's wet (or, more accurately, how trife pointed out water's wet).

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 30 June 2003 08:30 (twenty years ago) link

Trife hates "Delta Ebonics" thus he = fool.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 30 June 2003 10:12 (twenty years ago) link

shut the fuck up you unfunny racist custos motherfuckers
Wow...I am now officially an adjective.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 30 June 2003 14:13 (twenty years ago) link

...a dumbed down version of the kkk...
Huh? Since when has there ever been a "smart" version of the KKK?

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 30 June 2003 14:17 (twenty years ago) link

whiteness? no such thing.

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 30 June 2003 15:15 (twenty years ago) link

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/1890761060.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

― amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 30 June 2003 15:22 (twenty years ago) link

you made that up

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 30 June 2003 15:25 (twenty years ago) link

Duh the whitest song ever is obviously Wu-Tang Clan's "Shame On a Nigga", psh easy peasy!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 30 June 2003 15:44 (twenty years ago) link

"Cleaning Out My Closet" Eminem

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 30 June 2003 15:45 (twenty years ago) link

No, that's whiniest song ever.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 June 2003 15:45 (twenty years ago) link

whiny=whitey

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 30 June 2003 15:47 (twenty years ago) link

whiney + whitey =
http://www.click2music.se/images_denmark/whitney/galleri/03.jpg

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 30 June 2003 15:49 (twenty years ago) link

I love threads like this!

― Dan I., Tuesday, 1 July 2003 03:34 (twenty years ago) link

Um just cos the subject matter of the thread happens to coincide with trife's hobbyhorse doesn't make him wrong, no?

I spy a kernel of truth among the bombast...

― Jacob (Jacob), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 06:57 (twenty years ago) link

if "whitest" = "one of the best songs ever", then yeah. search its use in the KLF's Chill Out.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 08:20 (twenty years ago) link

kernel of truth:

http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/g/x/gxo1/klink.1.jpg

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 09:34 (twenty years ago) link

kernel mustard

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 10:48 (twenty years ago) link

Um just cos the subject matter of the thread happens to coincide with trife's hobbyhorse doesn't make him wrong, no?
Considering that his hobbyhorse seems to be that everyone on ILM is secretly a Ku Klux Klan member, no, this thread doesn't make him right.
Only a thread called
WHO IN THIS BITCH IS SECRETLY A MEMBER OF THE KLAN? (Unanswered, posted at 5:12pm, unread)
would come close to vindicating him...and then only if everyone on the forum posted "Yep, I am and proud of it."

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 12:32 (twenty years ago) link

Right, Custos, clearly the only form of racism, bigotry, or prejudice in this country is full-on Klan membership.

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 12:39 (twenty years ago) link

Sorry, that was snippy, but I'll say the same thing I said on the Strom Thurmond said: it's silly and dangerous to pretend that "racism" is limited to an active loathing of a given people. Loads of people can carry loads of racial preconceptions and love everyone else just fine: after all, some of their best friends are black! American racism in 2003 for the most part has less to do with virulent animosity and more to do with largely indifferent preconceptions and ideas about people's proper places.

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 12:43 (twenty years ago) link

nabisco, trife (as far I can tell) thinks we are all racist bigot Klansmen, and our insistence that we are not just fuels his belief that we are.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 12:43 (twenty years ago) link

Whats even worse than that is this:
shut the fuck up you unfunny racist custos motherfuckers
What are we to make of that?
How he puts an insult like "racist" right next to a compliment like "custos"; boggles my mind where he's going with that one.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 12:46 (twenty years ago) link

oh well lets all play along, it'll be fun...

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 12:47 (twenty years ago) link

Lets not and pretend we did.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 12:48 (twenty years ago) link

Custos, I can't tell if you're having reading-comprehension difficulties with what Trife says or what I said. There are massive differences between mainstream racism or bigotry and the ideologies of the Klan -- as if that should even have to be explained -- and Trife, so far as I know, has never accused anyone here of the latter. He's accused people of holding racial double-standards, for the most part.

For comparison see "sexism" as opposed to "misogyny." (Trife makes accusations of racism, not "misafropy!") (Someone call Ludacris!)

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 12:49 (twenty years ago) link

Custos, I can't tell if you're having reading-comprehension difficulties with what Trife says or what I said.
I understand what you are saying...you and I can see the subtle gradations (between "racism" and "bigotry"). WE can see that. I suspect that trife cannot.
He's the first to jump to completely the wrong conclusion about what someone means when they say something that could have more than one meaning.
I still don't grasp where trife is coming from, though.
The level of malice he exudes is both frightening and baffling.

that said:
Misafropy! Hahahahahaha! Excellent word. I'm adding it to the memory banks now.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 12:57 (twenty years ago) link

never mind. this isn't helping anybody. lets get back to talking about elvis.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 12:57 (twenty years ago) link

Chuck D to thread.

― amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 14:43 (twenty years ago) link

and Professor Griff to post a rebuttal.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 14:54 (twenty years ago) link

custos you're out of my vaudeville revue. the hook for you.

― amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 14:55 (twenty years ago) link

(*yoink!*)
as Charles Nelson Riley bangs on the Gong and Chuck Barris just shakes his head is dumbstruck amazement...

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 14:57 (twenty years ago) link

what is "white herb culture"?

And "In the Ghetto" could totally be an Isaac Hayes song, the cheesy strings, the overwrought emoting, the sad drum shuffle - Black Moses did all that.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 1 July 2003 23:39 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.templelooters.com/tv/wkrp/s3/wkrp49-003.jpg

― Josh (Josh), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 02:21 (twenty years ago) link

white herb culture

― trife (simon_tr), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 02:25 (twenty years ago) link

lord custos:
http://www.foodsubs.com/Photos/dill5.jpg

― trife (simon_tr), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 02:33 (twenty years ago) link

"Dillweed is a small flavorful herb best known for flavoring pickles. It is native to Asia, but is now used worldwide. Both the leaves and seeds are used to flavor foods."

― trife (simon_tr), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 02:38 (twenty years ago) link

Thank you, Beavis. We are all in awe of your herbalist acumen. Now go smoke some and chill out.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 10:58 (twenty years ago) link

'Seasons In the Sun' - Terry Jacks.

The Elvis tune sounds more like an over-produced Motown number to me.

― John Bullabaugh (John Bullabaugh), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 19:24 (twenty years ago) link

No votes for "Afternoon Delight"?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 19:29 (twenty years ago) link

The Weezer catalog.

― Charles McCain (Charles McCain), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 19:39 (twenty years ago) link

god, you Americans are soooo hung up on what's "black" and what's "white". It kills me that you are stuck on deciding whether or not it can be an adjective to denote quality or shite. Quality is good, shite is shite. QED.

― darren (darren), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 19:57 (twenty years ago) link

yep, you get every single one of us pegged.

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 20:07 (twenty years ago) link

Darren is way white.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 20:32 (twenty years ago) link

Carpenters, come on.

― Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 3 July 2003 03:06 (twenty years ago) link

Belle and Sebastian own this thread.

― Jacob (Jacob), Thursday, 3 July 2003 09:57 (twenty years ago) link

two months pass...

Seriously though, define "herb." Does it mean pseudo-enlightened white people? I'm not sure what you're getting at.

― Scott, Saturday, 6 September 2003 21:26 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.45-rpm.org.uk/herba.jpg

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 6 September 2003 21:36 (twenty years ago) link

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