Why does anyone like the Fall?

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Glad Felcher posted again.. I thought maybe he was a retaliating Dave Matthews Band fan..

dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 15:57 (twenty years ago) link

no, no, i threw a few punches on the anti-dave side. it took me a while to post because i only have net access at work and i foolishly posted the question right before quittin' time.
i wasn't posting to insult the fall. i can tell there's something there. every time i put in either album, after the first ten minutes, i'm completely disgusted with it. considering i rarely get disgusted with music (i kind of like it when CD's start skipping, even if i love the song) i knew there was something up with this music. i was only posting the question to get a better idea of what the specific appeal of the band is, because CD reviewers usually just sound like they're giving good reviews to avoid being busted by the hipster police.

Felcher (Felcher), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 16:16 (twenty years ago) link

Everyone hates "The Infotainment Scan" - (except me) - you can usually get it for a buck or two - and it's pretty strong..

But maybe you just need to jump ahead on the CD until it starts to click. On This Nation's Saving Grace (one of the best records ever made) .. just listen to L.A. and Gut of the Quantifier.. two pretty accessible tracks.

Also, listen to it on Vinyl. The ordering on the CD sucks and the extra tracks ruined it.

dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 16:22 (twenty years ago) link

[From the Fall website:]

A request for MES:

we are in a band called the fall from norfolk, va and we are signed to an independent label..just wanted to let you know....maybe you can change your name to the fall uk so it does not conflict..thanks for your time

Sam J. (samjeff), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 16:23 (twenty years ago) link

that's punk!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 16:24 (twenty years ago) link

simply one of the most brilliant bands in rock music, ever. not always great, or even good...but always brilliant. it's the spirit of them/him, just doing whatever is most direct. totally distinct from the get-go. the time with brix was to me the high point, but there's always something worth hearing on a fall album.

okay, but put a gun to my head? probably the wonderful and frightening world, prolly because it was really the first full album i got into back when it came out...still trying to find the peel mix of c.r.e.e.p...okay i haven't looked that hard, but it's the best one.

it would be a better world if the same attention endlessly lavished on, say, pet sounds, was spread like thick marmite on this nations saving grace.

long live the mighty fall!

skip


skip bosco, Wednesday, 18 June 2003 01:48 (twenty years ago) link

okay, here's the deal...

it's really not a matter of opinion --it's a fact that if you don't dig the fall, well, you're really somehow...how you say....deficient.

skip

skip bosco, Wednesday, 18 June 2003 01:52 (twenty years ago) link

You guys will not appreciate this, but it occurs to me: I've never seen anyone writing about Beat Happening mention how Fall-like they can be. Primitive tom-thump, gorilla-handed repeating riff, singer moaning and sneering . . . throw "Bewitched" into a Fall playlist and it sits comfortably. I mention this mostly because I imagine many of you don't like Beat Happening.

I like the Fall, and I like Beat Happening.. and I like the former far more than the latter. And you do have a point, in relation to more mid 80s Fall, though I think there's still this question of ferocity and layers that Beat Happening don't have (which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but certainly a crucial difference IMGO)

donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 18 June 2003 02:54 (twenty years ago) link

Beat Happening also have a significant cuteness and joy factor which further separates the primitive roots the two bands share

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 18 June 2003 03:07 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
Was I fucking deaf or something?

Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Thursday, 27 January 2005 21:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Well you were going by Felcher ....

svend (svend), Thursday, 27 January 2005 21:35 (nineteen years ago) link

One day I think I might like the Fall.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 27 January 2005 21:36 (nineteen years ago) link

There's quite a bit of Brix in those Beat Happening guitar lines.

Snappy (sexyDancer), Thursday, 27 January 2005 21:47 (nineteen years ago) link

i wanna give MES a hug.

amanda lear (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 27 January 2005 21:52 (nineteen years ago) link

i wanna give NES a hug.

Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Thursday, 27 January 2005 21:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I want to hug myself (for having scored all them recent reissues).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 27 January 2005 22:03 (nineteen years ago) link

You know those car trips which are like drug trips? Where you catch glimpses of places you would never normally go? Where the light changes and strange music makes cinema of the stuff in the windscreen? Where odd corners of your brain get illuminated and you get buzzy? Well, Mark E. Smith can do that car trip thing with lyrics. I actually think he's Britain's greatest living poet, with a clattery rock band behind him.

Momus (Momus), Thursday, 27 January 2005 22:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Felonious, do you have 50,000 Fall Fans Can't Be Wrong? THAT is your introduction--even Jess liked the cherry-picked latter-day stuff.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 27 January 2005 23:26 (nineteen years ago) link

So are you finally eating crow about them supposedly being overrated or what?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 27 January 2005 23:40 (nineteen years ago) link

I like that (re the Momus post), I'm going to listen to LA now in search of the Car Feeling.

The best thing about this thread is how you know there's going to be a revive later saying 'ah, wait, I got it!'.

Ferg, Ah (Ferg), Thursday, 27 January 2005 23:41 (nineteen years ago) link

knew, rather

Ferg, Ah (Ferg), Thursday, 27 January 2005 23:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Momus OTM

jed_ (jed), Thursday, 27 January 2005 23:42 (nineteen years ago) link

You know those car trips which are like drug trips? Where you catch glimpses of places you would never normally go? Where the light changes and strange music makes cinema of the stuff in the windscreen? Where odd corners of your brain get illuminated and you get buzzy?

Can someone invent a word for this?

Ferg, Ah (Ferg), Friday, 28 January 2005 00:09 (nineteen years ago) link

oh, they're still overrated, but I like them more than I used to

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 28 January 2005 00:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Yep, I was starting to like them, cuz I'd gotten Nation's Saving Grace, but yeah that 50,000 Fall fans thing is amazing.

Btw, can anyone think of a best-of that puts its subject in a better possible light than 50,000 Fall fans?

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 28 January 2005 00:24 (nineteen years ago) link

not many. ChangesOneBowie and Star Time are the immediate ones that come to mind--taking really good catalogues and trimming them down to blindsiding ones. I think JB and Bowie and the Fall are all terrific but there's lots of fat on all of them. (The Bowie is qualified by its coming out in 1976)

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 28 January 2005 00:26 (nineteen years ago) link

If they're overrated, then surely some of these, the Fall's proper studio albums, are not, at the least, VERY GOOD. Which ones?

Live at the Witch Trials
Dragnet
Grotesque
Hex Enduction Hour
Perverted by Language
The Wonderful and Frightening World of the Fall
This Nation's Saving Grace
Bend Sinister
The Frenz Experiment
I Am Kurious, Oranj
Extricate
Shift Work
Code: Selfish
The Infotainment Scan
Middle Class Revolt
Cererbral Caustic
The Light User Syndrome

That takes us up through the end of the Scanlon/Hanley/Brix/etc. eras, at least.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 28 January 2005 00:32 (nineteen years ago) link

never argue w/a cultist

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 28 January 2005 00:37 (nineteen years ago) link

especially if you can't back it up

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 28 January 2005 00:45 (nineteen years ago) link

You either get it or you AREN't FUCKING LISTENING.

noodle vague (noodle vague), Friday, 28 January 2005 00:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Meanwhile:

I would happily shell out for a Fall boxset of Peel Sessions from then to now.

-- Ned Raggett (ne...), June 17th, 2003.

How nice that my prediction is coming true.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 28 January 2005 01:06 (nineteen years ago) link

oooh, I'm scared now!

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 28 January 2005 01:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Or wish or whatever it was.

That makes for a curious x-post. "How nice for the Fall box!" "I TREMBLE IN MOCK TERROR!"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 28 January 2005 01:06 (nineteen years ago) link

haha yes it does

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 28 January 2005 01:07 (nineteen years ago) link

"Can I review it?"

"OH I'M SCARED NOW LONGHAIR SHOEGAZE FREAK!"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 28 January 2005 01:11 (nineteen years ago) link

hahahaha!

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 28 January 2005 01:11 (nineteen years ago) link

"back it up" = with a response

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 28 January 2005 01:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Btw, can anyone think of a best-of that puts its subject in a better possible light than 50,000 Fall fans?

-- M@tt He1geson (matt@game[remove]informer.com), January 28th, 2005.


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not many. ChangesOneBowie and Star Time are the immediate ones that come to mind--taking really good catalogues and trimming them down to blindsiding ones. I think JB and Bowie and the Fall are all terrific but there's lots of fat on all of them. (The Bowie is qualified by its coming out in 1976)
-- Matos-Webster Dictionary (michaelangelomato...), January 28th, 2005.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 28 January 2005 01:18 (nineteen years ago) link

If they're overrated, then surely some of these, the Fall's proper studio albums, are not, at the least, VERY GOOD. Which ones?

Live at the Witch Trials
Dragnet
Grotesque
Hex Enduction Hour
Perverted by Language
The Wonderful and Frightening World of the Fall
This Nation's Saving Grace
Bend Sinister
The Frenz Experiment
I Am Kurious, Oranj
Extricate
Shift Work
Code: Selfish
The Infotainment Scan
Middle Class Revolt
Cererbral Caustic
The Light User Syndrome

That takes us up through the end of the Scanlon/Hanley/Brix/etc. eras, at least.

-- Tim Ellison (timejeanne...), January 28th, 2005.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 28 January 2005 01:20 (nineteen years ago) link

haha can you READ?

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 28 January 2005 01:21 (nineteen years ago) link

here, let me break this down for you: I like the Fall. Because many people like the Fall more than me, I consider them overrated. ARE YOU CLEAR NOW?

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 28 January 2005 01:22 (nineteen years ago) link

(and not just "because" they like them more than me, but the degree to which people like them more than me seems out of proportion to what I've heard, which isn't everything, nor does it have to be in order for me to form an opinion on them, and I've liked what I've heard and . . . WHY THE HELL DO I EVEN BOTHER RESPONDING TO TIM ELLISON IN THE FIRST FUCKING PLACE?!)

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 28 January 2005 01:24 (nineteen years ago) link

This is all a bit circular. Mr. Matos, m'friend, take a break and have a good dinner (which I'm about to do).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 28 January 2005 01:25 (nineteen years ago) link

on my way to doing just that!

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 28 January 2005 01:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Hurrah! You are a wise man.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 28 January 2005 01:28 (nineteen years ago) link

You just refuse to fucking admit that you're all too quick with your smug comments when you don't know what you're talking about.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 28 January 2005 01:34 (nineteen years ago) link

The Fall are the best rock band ever.

Nic de Teardrop (Nicholas), Friday, 28 January 2005 01:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I like the Fall. Despite the fact that many people like them much more than me, I do not consider them overrated in the slightest.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 28 January 2005 02:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't bear The Fall, but I think they're underrated.

Oh, I like the music; it's just that voice. For precisely the same reason, I can't listen to LCD Soundsystem, despite liking the music. Oh, and they're definitely overrated.

davidsim (davidsim), Friday, 28 January 2005 03:15 (nineteen years ago) link


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