Steve Reich : Music for 18 musicians (question)

thinking of getting four or five versions up and shuffling them track by track for some super chaotic energy

There was a version done on 18 synths in a cathedral in Dublin a few years ago. Was absolutely great.

For a second there my estimation for Val Kilmer really went up
(Val Kilmer is not involved)

Wow. Just wow. Val Wilmer, on meeting Steve Reich, in @dubdobdee’s brilliant new book on the UK music press, A Hidden Landscape Once A Week. pic.twitter.com/GhBDEKsO5p

— Andrew Male (@Andr6wMale) January 25, 2019

she relates the same anecdote, without naming reich explicitly, in the first few pages of "as serious as your life"

does he not disparage ornette coleman specifically in that anecdote also? poopooing his third stream skies of america?

lol thats depressing

xp no, that story is about members of the london philharmonic talking shit about SOA, which they'd been hired to play. the steve reich story follows closely. the whole point of the introduction being a kind of litany of instances where black musicians aren't taken seriously by "important" white composers and institutions.

ah, thanks for correcting me

Steve "Third" Reich

Rumoured to be a Trump supporter too, to top it all off.

Music For 18 MAGAtts

dammit

There is a specific ilx user who could expand on this anecdote, perhaps.

i feel like "fuck Steve Reich" adequately covers it tbh

I wonder how he feels about this album:

https://img.discogs.com/VcD39kal21pROlL87dUykuVODHE=/fit-in/500x495/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-966800-1391803047-1748.jpeg.jpg

Trump on Reich, in his 2009 book "Think Like a Champion" https://t.co/ijQvlEuioZ pic.twitter.com/8rVwAigl0h

— Will Robin (@seatedovation) November 2, 2016

not that trump actually wrote that tho

Don Van Vliet based the rhythm of 'Bat Chain Puller' on the wipers in his Volvo, maybe Trump likes Beefheart too

Also fuck Steve Reich

Hmmm…

https://www.motherjones.com/anti-racism-police-protest/2020/07/how-steve-reich-made-music-out-of-white-complicity/

what the fuck, I did not need this

Is this the part where I'm allowed to say I never liked him as much as everyone else anyway? (This is true btw.)

This is a good take.

Steve Reich is probably one of the most over performed composers of all time. Less Reich only means more obscure stuff getting a foot in = win win win.

— Fielding Hope (@fieldinghope) September 8, 2020

otm

Piece doesn’t mention that Come Out was created as a benefit to aid the Harlem Six, this Pitchfork piece has a bit more on the background to its creation. https://pitchfork.com/features/article/9886-blood-and-echoes-the-story-of-come-out-steve-reichs-civil-rights-era-masterpiece/

Makes more recent comments all the more dispiriting.

Not the first Jew of his generation to go from civil rights ally to trump supporter.

As long we get to keep Riley I'm fine

the trump thing feels a bit unsubstantiated

If not a full Trump supporter. A Reagan Democrat. I speak from close first hand knowledge of the political evolution of the New York metropolitan area boomer Jew.

Reich was always my fave and I backed him in any number of Reich vs Glass arguments but recent viewings if interviews and documentaries definitely has me preferring to hang out with Glass, should I be invited.

Riley of course I’m unimpeachable and just shy of being a deity himself.

"If not a full Trump supporter"?

Makes more recent comments all the more dispiriting.

What are the more recent comments? The Wilmer quote is her memory of something he allegedly said about 50 years ago, in the "civil rights ally" days, right? The quote from Trump's book isn't even based on hearing his music.

Tbf I've never seen a photo of him without a cap.

"One of the most over performed composers of all time" is almost jawdropping tbh. You've seen a symphony calendar before?

It may be not be true, but it is truthy.

not referring to the quote in his book but to someone mentioning rumors that he supported or voted trump.

It just seems very nebulous.

Rumoured to be a Trump supporter too, to top it all off.

― mirostones, Tuesday, September 8, 2020 5:13 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

source?

Pretty sure the 'source' is Trump's ghostwriter and Twitter telephone.

Twitter's having a field day with this I see. Almost responded to a comment about the problematic nature of working with the Daniel Pearl Foundation, which is islamaphobic, thus he is. Starting writing about the Cave, but decided to not step into that minefield. Don't know why I'd do the same here.

Literally the only thing I could find about him being a Trump supporter was one totally rando accusation based on literally nothing (at least last I checked) on that Twitter thread. I find no other indication or evidence that that is the case. Could it be true? I mean, I guess. He is in his 80s after all. However, I doubt it. The idea that he has been a secret right winger, let alone racist, is I suppose possible, but seems ... unlikely? Kind of reminds me of when Wendy & Lisa accused Trevor Horn of being a virulent homophobe, which was a shock but also was the beginning and end of the claim.

Rumoured to be a Trump supporter too, to top it all off.

― mirostones, Tuesday, September 8, 2020 5:13 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

source?

― trapped out the barndo (crüt), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 03:49 (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

Well, there is this:

Not surprising considering some pro-Trump comments he made at PASIC a few years back and—OH YEAH AN ENTIRE CAREER BUILT ON CULTURAL APPROPRIATION https://t.co/2F1W1TFumy

— Annika Socolofsky, PhD (@aksocolofsky) September 8, 2020

She seems to imply she was an eyewitness? If so, that could have credibility. But who knows.

Whole lotta hearsay goin on. Again, could all be true, but this is a guy who has been in the public eye for decades. To read the person you just posted literally say "we should outright cancel the guy" ...

if i'm pom's "specific ilx user who could expand on this anecdote" i can't really -- except to say that the screenshotted quote is from wilmer's conversation onstage with richard williams* at birkbeck in 2015, tho as budo jeru the story is also told in her book AS SERIOUS AS YOUR LIFE, with SR very mildly anonymised (p.12, 1977 quartet edn). the one thing i wd stress is that wilmer's memory is legendary and her understanding of the social context in the moment (ghana, new york, london in the early 70s) as solid as yr likely to get. she's also a super-careful journalist. so i fully trust her version of events and her reading of their import. but as ppl are saying, this was 50-odd years ago (drumming is dated 1971), and VW was very much talking abt the past and what things meant then -- so the mapping onto current agitations is maybe not entirely straightforward (and wasn't what wilmer was doing at the conference).

*(the guardian piece that kicked this all off said i was her interviewer, but no, it's richard williams)

the essay cited in the following tweet expands on (and "complicates", as academics like to say) SR's relationship to the material in the found-voice tapeworks (mostly abt a project and an SR work i knew nothing of till all this beef went viral yesterday):

And for some more interesting reading on Reich's politics:https://t.co/xzpgtAXLIQ

— Pierce Gradone (@piercegradone) September 8, 2020

essay possibly still downloadable for free here:

Sharing is caringhttps://t.co/19tm05UUsW

— ɥsɐʞɐɹdɯɐɹ ɥsəʌɹɐs (@sarvesh__) September 8, 2020

(sumanth gopinath is also the editor of an OUP anthology: RETHINKING REICH) -- which looks interesting once you get past the cut-and-paste title

Almost responded to a comment about the problematic nature of working with the Daniel Pearl Foundation, which is islamaphobic, thus he is.

I’m probably misinterpreting this, but i thought the Daniel Pearl foundation actively supports dialogue between Muslims and Jews, so find it a bit of a leap that he’d be islamophobic for working with them.

Thanks, mark, that's exactly the expansion I was angling for.

I have a hunch anyone that would immediately call for the "cancellation" of Steve Reich based on that 50 year old anecdote might also find the Daniel Pearl Foundation problematic simply for supporting Israel's right to exist and/or anti-BDS stance.

OH YEAH AN ENTIRE CAREER BUILT ON CULTURAL APPROPRIATION

rmde

Steve Reich is the Led Zeppelin of American minimalism.