The ILX EOY list has also changed from "let's tabulate what people liked this year, half of which are particular to things we fixated on as a group over the year" to "let's curate a diverse list of genres so we can do a happy internet dance about how broad our tastes are"
This is just so weird to me. If so, when did it change into the latter? I haven't seen a happy internet dance about the broadness of taste on the ilx eoy polls. If there was dancing, it was because people liked that their fave came on top (đ) which seems entirely justified. ILM is a bunch of randos merely connected by the fact they visit the same place sending in their ballot. Every individual has their own reasons and reasoning making a ballot (as frogbs explained). If that constitutes a concerted act of curation I certainly did not get the memo.
Granny Dainger I applaud you for never wanting to make specific accusations of tokenism against individuals, it's just a shame you did just that. Smdh.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 4 June 2020 08:32 (three years ago) link
personally I def curate my list to make it at least a little more balanced in terms o genre than my actual listening, which is maybe dishonest but 1. is still a pretty accurate picture of the breadth of what I listen to and 2. seems more likely to generate more interesting results. what's the point in listing 10 metal albums I loved a lot when there's a dedicated metal poll f'rinstance?
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 4 June 2020 08:39 (three years ago) link
you can call it self fulfilling prophecy if you like but at this point I know what ILM is into as a whole, what can be made to fit in with what captures imaginations on here, and what can't or is very unlikely to
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 4 June 2020 08:41 (three years ago) link
Oh I curate my own ballot, of course. Mostly the 'dishonesty' amounts to putting some ambient/drone records (underdogs here) a bit higher, to see them get some points or whatever. I just don't see it as a collective curating effort to create a diverse list; with all these individuals sending in a ballot based on their own particular reasoning, curating that seems nigh impossible.
Knowing what ILM is and what fits, that's another matter, and obv I agree. Even though loads of eyes were popping out of sockets when 'Jogging' and Gecs showed up as high as they did.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 4 June 2020 08:56 (three years ago) link
"Jogging" was a lock to me cause UK and lots of cachet with the avant cru
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 4 June 2020 09:00 (three years ago) link
Think I curate in the opposite direction, if I know something has no chance of getting any other votes, I'll be a bit wary of putting it in my balot.
― Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 4 June 2020 09:05 (three years ago) link
No I think the same way! Hence I tend to underrepresent rock music generally (at least in album ballots)
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 4 June 2020 09:14 (three years ago) link
my ballots are pure
― trapped out the barndo (crĂŒt), Thursday, 4 June 2020 12:51 (three years ago) link
The Pains of Being Pure at Ballot
― pomenitul, Thursday, 4 June 2020 12:53 (three years ago) link
I am happier since I abandoned any efforts to curate or cram-listen for polls. I also had the second-loneliest ballot.
― Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Thursday, 4 June 2020 12:54 (three years ago) link
Ha, I have enough problems making a full ballot in the general ILM poll to curate anything. If it's from last year and I heard it, it's on my ballot.
― Siegbran, Thursday, 4 June 2020 13:29 (three years ago) link
complaints abt other ppl pretending to like stuff for cred reek of insecurity, & the notion of real/fake taste is a curious bit of authentocracy
― The Cognitive Peasant (ogmor), Thursday, 4 June 2020 15:50 (three years ago) link
The NY Times climbs aboard the Fantano bandwagon.
Another college student and musician, Ethan Fields, 20, has used his time at home during the pandemic to build a TikTok fan base, savvily interpreting popular songs in the style of other musicians. Fantano, Fields said, was an early influence on his knowing and silly insidery content.âI donât think thereâs anyone else like him, whoâs had that reach,â Fields said. âIf you told somebody on the street, âName a music critic right now,â if theyâre under the age of 25, theyâll say, âAnthony Fantano.ââ (Asked if he could even name another music critic, Fields had to take a moment. âUmmmm, letâs see ⊠honestly ⊠Iâm trying to think. Thereâs a guy from Rolling Stone who loves U2?â he said. âDavid Fricke?â)The old guard has not exactly embraced Fantano. Robert Christgau, a rock critic for more than half a century, has called Fantanoâs career an âachievement,â but sniffed, âI donât âwatchâ reviews. I read writing.â In an email, Christgau added, âI literally never think about Anthony Fantano and would probably have trouble recalling his name. This isnât a dis â I donât know his work well enough to dis it.â...Having spent a lot of time on the vulgar message board 4chan, Fantano infused his internet presence with winks, contrarian irreverence and attempts at humor, like a recurring âroommateâ character that is just Fantano in a fake mustache. He became a favorite of the 4chan music forum known as /mu/, but Fantanoâs flirtation with that world also led to controversy when he was accused in a 2017 article in The Fader of courting the alt-right with a spinoff channel that reviewed memes instead of music. The article was later deleted amid a settlement, and both sides are bound by a nondisclosure agreement.Fantano said he started that channel to make more money from YouTube, and acknowledged that there were some âgrubby, close-minded, young, aggressive male types hovering around the content.â (The Needle Dropâs audience on YouTube is only 6.5 percent female.) He said 4chan was âtoxic and problematic,â yet also âwhere most internet humor draws back to â all of us are guilty of that original sin, in a way.âIn the years since, he has become more vocal on social justice issues, adding, âMy politics have become, as a result of reading things online, more intersectional.â
âI donât think thereâs anyone else like him, whoâs had that reach,â Fields said. âIf you told somebody on the street, âName a music critic right now,â if theyâre under the age of 25, theyâll say, âAnthony Fantano.ââ (Asked if he could even name another music critic, Fields had to take a moment. âUmmmm, letâs see ⊠honestly ⊠Iâm trying to think. Thereâs a guy from Rolling Stone who loves U2?â he said. âDavid Fricke?â)
The old guard has not exactly embraced Fantano. Robert Christgau, a rock critic for more than half a century, has called Fantanoâs career an âachievement,â but sniffed, âI donât âwatchâ reviews. I read writing.â In an email, Christgau added, âI literally never think about Anthony Fantano and would probably have trouble recalling his name. This isnât a dis â I donât know his work well enough to dis it.â
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Having spent a lot of time on the vulgar message board 4chan, Fantano infused his internet presence with winks, contrarian irreverence and attempts at humor, like a recurring âroommateâ character that is just Fantano in a fake mustache. He became a favorite of the 4chan music forum known as /mu/, but Fantanoâs flirtation with that world also led to controversy when he was accused in a 2017 article in The Fader of courting the alt-right with a spinoff channel that reviewed memes instead of music. The article was later deleted amid a settlement, and both sides are bound by a nondisclosure agreement.
Fantano said he started that channel to make more money from YouTube, and acknowledged that there were some âgrubby, close-minded, young, aggressive male types hovering around the content.â (The Needle Dropâs audience on YouTube is only 6.5 percent female.) He said 4chan was âtoxic and problematic,â yet also âwhere most internet humor draws back to â all of us are guilty of that original sin, in a way.â
In the years since, he has become more vocal on social justice issues, adding, âMy politics have become, as a result of reading things online, more intersectional.â
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 30 September 2020 15:05 (three years ago) link
lmao at choosing to ask robert christgau about anthony fantano, powerful journalism
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 30 September 2020 15:08 (three years ago) link
solid use of "sniffed"
― the typo doer (Simon H.), Wednesday, 30 September 2020 15:28 (three years ago) link
The old guard has not exactly embraced Fantano. Robert Christgau, a rock critic for more than half a century, has called Fantanoâs career an âachievement,â but sniffed, âI donât âwatchâ reviews. I read writing.â
What is Writism?
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 30 September 2020 15:31 (three years ago) link
He said 4chan was âtoxic and problematic,â yet also âwhere most internet humor draws back to â all of us are guilty of that original sin, in a way.â
lol, this guy is so awful.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 30 September 2020 18:02 (three years ago) link
Robin Pecknold asks Fantano a few questions:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05BEJCR-jaI&t
― alpine static, Wednesday, 7 October 2020 05:37 (three years ago) link
gen z are terrible
― flopson, Wednesday, 7 October 2020 05:43 (three years ago) link
spider-man: into the fantano-verse: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/tiktok-music-journalism-1103594/
― la table sur la table (voodoo chili), Thursday, 17 December 2020 00:46 (three years ago) link
lol, I was not expecting this:
https://thequietus.com/articles/29417-anthony-fantano-interview-favourite-music
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 14:33 (three years ago) link
fuck this
― as#d,.F:ddz;,c#,;;,;,;,sdf' (Left), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:23 (three years ago) link
http://s3.amazonaws.com/quietus_production/images/articles/29417/AnthonyFantano__1610474624_crop_550x735.png
He's got the LCD Soundsystem stan look down pat.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:25 (three years ago) link
what is this 2003
why do kids love this prick
― as#d,.F:ddz;,c#,;;,;,;,sdf' (Left), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:26 (three years ago) link
interviewing someone with bad taste, curious
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:28 (three years ago) link
good for the Quietus, should get them a healthy amount of hits
― stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:32 (three years ago) link
I think it's a reasonably good selection of albums and a reasonably good commentary on them?
― flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:33 (three years ago) link
The real dean of rock critics
― Fenners' Pen (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:36 (three years ago) link
oh damn sorry fantano's good now
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:44 (three years ago) link
he does not have the taste of someone unfrozen in 2010 i'll hold off clowning him
i also def didn't read the commentary bc i don't believe he's capable of insight, just a character flaw of mine
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:45 (three years ago) link
anyway i'd prefer the baker's dozen feature be reserved to musicians and not given to very bad critics who hate women ymmv
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:47 (three years ago) link
hate women
I missed this part. What did he do?
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:49 (three years ago) link
listen i'm just making a judgment based on having observed his criticism over a period of ten years, he hasn't "done" anything
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:50 (three years ago) link
anyway whatever, good for the quietus, totally meaningless thing to get worked up over
if you feel the need to "minority opinion, but" about lcd soundsystem albums in 2021 to your sizable fanbase i feel like you should at least mention the juan maclean
― ri, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:51 (three years ago) link
Hates women, music, life
― Uptown Top Scamping (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:51 (three years ago) link
I was hoping to hate this, liking it would have been my second choice, disappointing that I feel neither.
― Ù©(ÍĄàčÌŻÍĄàč)Û¶ (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:58 (three years ago) link
Is ILM the internet's foremost Fantano hate club?
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:00 (three years ago) link
RYM is both his hateclub and his fanclub
― imago, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:02 (three years ago) link
Fantano Discourse has I think receded very slightly at least
if i disentangle myself from the magnetic field of fantano hate i am constantly exuding i can look at this list of records and think "yeah some of these choices are pretty sick" but in the universe where i have actually observed his criticism it is impossible for me to think that
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:02 (three years ago) link
pretty good list of albums, do not read the blurbs. unless you want to learn that "daft punk is playing at my house" is "almost satirical in a way"
― boz conspiracy by toby hus (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:09 (three years ago) link
These Quietus lists seem to have four approaches* Genuine list of their favourite records* List of records designed to present the person in a certain light* As above but with added trolling* A curated list to introduce some records they think need more exposureThis list is the second option, the most boring one, was hoping he would at least go for option three.
― Ù©(ÍĄàčÌŻÍĄàč)Û¶ (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:16 (three years ago) link
I mean
Fantano hates me personally, arbitrarily. I don't have any feelings toward him, but as they say, "the opposite of love is not hate, but indifference". That said, I read his Quietus entries this morning and felt, for the first time ever, an twinge of affinity for both his choices and an appreciation for the things he was expressing, that's all! The twinge has passed. I still don't care about him
― flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 17:42 (three years ago) link
why doesnât this guy ever push his fucking glasses up
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 17:50 (three years ago) link
I don't know his choices because I refuse to click through but even if I like some of them they're bad choices because they're his
it's good to have occasional reminders of how conditional the current vague social justice orientation of alt music media really is. this is just good business for them, much like it was good business for this guy to have certain associations which it's now good business for him to deny
― as#d,.F:ddz;,c#,;;,;,;,sdf' (Left), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 17:52 (three years ago) link
xpost - OEO, I always have the same thought!
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 17:54 (three years ago) link
My favorite 13 records would be an incredibly boring list
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 19:26 (three years ago) link