Ongoing U.S Police Brutality and Corruption Discussion Thread

authoritarian racist cop who makes money through passive real estate income, the height of MAGA chud

thought KARL was funny upthread. Let’s be clear.

― santa clause four (suzy),

"Here's the deal, folks. Karl is 100% literally, literally correct."

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'any potential intoxicants' is some incredible bullshit unless they've done a tox screen already

GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK!

He wasn't too intoxicated to clearly tell the officer that he couldn't breathe. For five minutes. All that is is fodder for chuds.

Here comes the bullshit already.

is that the "contradictory evidence" the prosecutor's office cited the other day when explaining why they hadn't brought charges yet?

unbelievable

unbelievable

very believable. using official reports to CYA is a way of life for police and prosecutors. it's reflexive. also, medical examiners work with police officers on the regular, but using their position to establish evidence of excessive force by police is like a foreign country to them.

Asphyxia doesn't have to be the cause of death for the five minutes of kneeing his neck to have played a factor. They already said the restraining contributed, and underlying conditions or not, he wouldn't have died on a normal day without being kneeled on.

Moreso if they'd avoided those draconian tactics and he expressed medical distress, they could have gotten him attention before he became unresponsive.

This changes nothing.

Sadly, it will in the eyes of morons

I don't know about "nothing", it smells to me like someone is trying to crack open enough wiggle room for an acquittal down the road.

wait, weren't those comments from the actual charging document used to file murder charges?

#actually he died because his heart stopped; i guess we'll never know if that was due to eating too many carbs or the guy kneeling on his throat

The whole pretext for this is Floyd allegedly trying to pass a counterfeit banknote, I guess?

WHO THE FUCK HASN’T PASSED COUNTERFEIT GOODS? We all do it, all the time. I’ve been caught out and the sharp-eyed ticket changer on the TTC just declined it with a “oh, you” kind of look. I spent it at a bar later with worse lighting. Who cares?

Murder? For alleged misuse of paper currency? The mind boggles.

This Chauvin character is a nasty piece of shit.

To be clear: the woman happily but cheekily _gave the counterfeit note back to me_ and I had to fish change out of my pocket for a subway ticket instead.

There’s one law for some and one law for others.

i haven't read the charging document but since the criteria for third-degree murder (a count not every jurisdiction has, i think? kind of set up to handle negligent homicide/manslaughter cases that would have been categorized differently and possibly under multiple offenses in other jurisdictions/times) have to do with negligence and similar things i would not be surprised if the prosecutors were expected to show some reasoning about why contributory causes of death didn't remove the obligation of the officer.

xyzz you don't have to actually paste images of a man dying into this thread even if it's funny that Mahmoud Ahmedinejad tweeted them out

― silby, Friday, 29 May 2020 bookmarkflaglink

Sorry all.

Couldn't possibly be the result of three(!) cops kneeling on him at once, could it?

Corporate manslaughter.

Pigs are a corporation with a revenue generation imperative. They hire the best “tech support” in their opinion to achieve their goals.

xps no, that's not what i mean, i mean the charge turns on an intent to harm causing a death that the defendant could have foreseen etc., thus would be culpably negligent or indifferent etc. for having not acted to prevent, stuff like that. opens the door to claim that the defendant could hardly have known about underlying conditions x y or z so shouldn't be held responsible for certain results, etc. so answering claims like that would be a pro forma part of making the charges legally sufficient.

Why do you need to kneel on somebody like that? Your formalist analysis is useful to unpack the prosecutory context which might play out, I’m just trying to understand why you need to kneel on someone for so long.

The victim may not have been aware of any of the health problems described in the autopsy. I hope they speak to his partner to determine that.

xp idk, pick from the usual bullshit cops say

Now I know who’s fault it is the ttc is a crumbling, underfunded nightmare... thanks, fields of salmon.

Reading around, it seems the person who took the original footage of the arrest is a 17-year-old girl. Brave AF.

i just read the statement of probable cause and i'm confused, honestly. i have purposely avoided video of this. did they not tell him why he was being arrested? did the store take the $20 then realize it then call the police, after he had left? i have done some counterfeit bill cases, not for a while, but each time i was struck by how easily one could have received a counterfeit bill as change and not know. they have to bring a secret service agent in to testify as to how he can tell it's fake and these guys are trained to notice things no regular human would be able to see.

At first the reports suggested he was being accused of trying to use a fake electronic benefits transfer card. What happened to that possibility?

i think it only narrates the earlier circumstances from the time the original officers detained him, it doesn't try to go over everything leading up to that, including making sense of the forgery accusation. and they're only in there because they were the reason for the defendant being called to the scene. since the crime is focused on chauvin's actions during the restraint there's no call for the rest being in there.

don't some (non-bank) cashiers have thingies for detecting the threads or their colors or whatever for the 'new' bills now?

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— Matt practices anti-social-ism (@3amWaffleHouse) May 29, 2020

WHO THE FUCK HASN’T PASSED COUNTERFEIT GOODS? We all do it, all the time.

I mean, I don’t but this is a fascinating peek into the lives of white people

xp yeah i understand that i'm just trying to get just to how much dumber and more senseless this situation could get if these monsters pointed a gun at someone who had literally no clue (obv even if he did it's not justified, if it needs to be said)

i may have accidentally used a canadian coin, but uh

i do not believe i have passed counterfeit goods

how would i know either way, what am i, a counterfeiter, no, i am a simple honest man who trusts legal tender to serve as a suitable medium of exchange for goods and services

https://biblioklept.org/2014/09/16/counterfeit-money-charles-baudelaire/

Yeah I’ve never knowingly beheld a counterfeit bill.

Biden says to PBS that POTUSes just need to 'speak out', keep retraining police

zero answers

Retraining police to do some other job that’s beneficial to society sounds great actually

Or did he mean something else

Last two days have been heartbreaking

There's ashes from the third precinct fire in my lawn, I'm about 7 blocks from the third precinct building, my buddy is a block off Lake right by the Walgreens, he heard the shots last night when the guy....

He had gone down Wednesday to the protest around six pm when it was very peaceful, cops ran up on him, pushed him and pepper sprayed him

My daughter is with her mother, they are farther away and in a sort of odd neighborhood so they are safer, but then they were on a walk this afternoon and some guy said they needed to run home there was a guy walking around with a gun

And now just sit here and wait for nightfall and hope it doesn't happen again

I hate this year so much

(when the guy got killed in Walgreens)

so sorry you're going through all this in your home ums

Thanks, appreciate the kind thoughts

Just feel powerless

And obviously the buildings aren't the important thing but still after this we are going to have to figure out how to live in the neighborhood again

I want to leave but I don't want to leave my house unattended

Last night up in Seward they hit the Hexagon Bar and the grocery store United Noodle, those were a little disturbing because they are off the main drag, so they were starting to go into neighborhoods and look for stuff

My buddy is even closer to the precinct than you ums and it sounds horrible. Does your house have power

Biden is staying in the policing box, silby

Retraining police to do some other job that’s beneficial to society sounds great actually

Or did he mean something else

― silby, Friday, May 29, 2020 11:23 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

We need to train other people to do the jobs we've handed over to the police that the cops are wholly incapable of performing without killing a bunch of people that's for sure

Morbs, sorry, for you to use this thread as a hammer with which to beat Biden is bullshit.

WHO THE FUCK HASN’T PASSED COUNTERFEIT GOODS? We all do it, all the time.

I mean, I don’t but this is a fascinating peek into the lives of white people

I hope, DJP, that you can respect that the spirit of my posts were in terms of bewilderment and sadness. I reflected on the privilege I got away with to have had my counterfeit bill handed back to me instead of the cops called on me ending in my death. I feel terrible because I understand how different I was treated based on my race.

I also hope you might end up feeling that my argument “we all do it, all the time” was my way of saying that white people do corrupt shit all the time and aren’t held accountable for it with force, for which I’m especially ashamed and tacitly complicit.

an 8pm-6am(?) curfew was announced today for the whole weekend. looks like they started right in with the tear gas at 8

Protesters fleeing and coughing loudly. Some crying. There was no major standoff before tear gas was thrown. Several canisters were thrown into the street.

— Ryan Faircloth (@RyanFaircloth) May 30, 2020