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I bought the original Dry vinyl + demos back in 1991. The demos are great - to me, much more satisfying than the Rid of Me demos. That Dry+demo release is probably one of the records I have that is worth most cash [...]

― Eyeball Kicks, Thursday, 28 May 2020 18:41 (thirty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yeah same here. 1992, I think actually. I checked Discogs a while back and it was selling for an average of £200

Duke, Thursday, 28 May 2020 17:17 (one month ago) link

The idea of releasing demos for To Bring You My Love, Is This Desire, White Chalk, or Let England Shake makes me ridiculously excited for this reissue series.

ˈʌglɪɪst preɪ, Thursday, 28 May 2020 17:18 (one month ago) link

I was weighing getting out of vinyl completely but a full set of PJH is making me rethink it.

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Thursday, 28 May 2020 17:21 (one month ago) link

I guess this is too early to tell, but I wonder if there will also be a mop up of the stray released tracks on these reissues?

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 28 May 2020 17:22 (one month ago) link

Interesting to hear different perspectives, because I actually think "To Bring You My Love" is the one that sounds mastered at a curiously low volume (esp. coming from peak Flood), and that the fucking-with-you dynamics of "Rid of Me" does it no favors, and would love to hear both of *those* remixed/remastered. But "Dry" ... I played it for someone I know who had never heard it before, or really anything by her, and he said it reminded him of the way early Zeppelin is recorded, which is to say, awesome. The drums on "Dry" alone are some of my favorite recorded drums ever (another aspect of the trio hurt by the famed Albini Wall of Thud).

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 28 May 2020 17:30 (one month ago) link

The remastering of Dry was done by Head who recorded/produced the original, so I hope he won't fuck with the sound too much.

The reissues have been in the works for quite a while, I remember John Parish posting pics of some test pressings approved by him on FB in 2013/2014.

ˈʌglɪɪst preɪ, Thursday, 28 May 2020 17:52 (one month ago) link

I want a dumb nickname like Flood or Head

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 28 May 2020 17:53 (one month ago) link

Dry sounds great, Rid of Me sounds bad. The sound of Rid of Me always reminds me of the similarly weedy & hard to enjoy sound John Zorn produced for Boredoms around the same time on Wow 2.

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 28 May 2020 17:57 (one month ago) link

xpost don't forget Youth

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 28 May 2020 17:57 (one month ago) link

Spot

dow, Thursday, 28 May 2020 18:07 (one month ago) link

Apparently Flood gained his nickname when he was a young tape op, because he regularly spilled cups of tea on the mixing desk.

The multiplying villainies of nature / Do swarm upon him (Vast Halo), Thursday, 28 May 2020 18:49 (one month ago) link

Spot! Forgot Spot. Youth is new to me. Flood could be a surname too. Sorry for the derail.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 28 May 2020 19:14 (one month ago) link

1992, I think actually.

Oh yeah, no doubt you're right. This is kinda boring, but I thought 1991 cos I know I got it when I still lived in my mum's house, but I didn't move out till April 1992 so it could have been early that spring. That makes sense. It was sunny when I got the bus to Edinburgh on a Saturday morning, and sunny back with that record. I hadn't heard a note from her before then - just bought it based on the review, as I always did then.

Eyeball Kicks, Thursday, 28 May 2020 21:22 (one month ago) link

Ha. It was March 1992, so just before your move. I also bought it on release day just on the strength of reviews.

Duke, Thursday, 28 May 2020 21:38 (one month ago) link

Rid of Me sounds bad

This is beyond wrong - I have a fairly decent audio system and cranking Rid of Me is the closest I have ever heard to a band in the room right there in front of me. Absolutely impeccable, brilliant recording. It's not compressed to bring the sound "forward" which is its cardinal virtue (aside from the incredible performances and peak songwriting from PJH).

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 28 May 2020 21:54 (one month ago) link

otmfm

mookieproof, Thursday, 28 May 2020 21:57 (one month ago) link

Well, that's the pro and con of many Albini productions: crank it and it *does* sounds like the band is in the room right in front of you. But sometimes you don't want the band right in front of you. I'm not sure that's what the studio is necessarily for. That's what live performances (and live recordings) are for! Albini prides himself on taking himself out of the mix (so to speak). He's just there to capture the moment in the most pure way possible and so, just a guy recording the band, doing their bidding, and so on. But the ironic result on "Rid of Me" is that he is more present and apparent than ever, which is why literally no one fails to mention the sound of the record (again, pro and con). Don't get me wrong, I love "Rid of Me," I just still think it was the wrong approach for a trio of such cool, unique musicians, and it's why despite liking all of the songs it's the only thing keeping me from listening to it as much as I otherwise would.

(I should also stress that I think the Albini approach does often work, and to the band's benefit, whether the Jesus Lizard or Low or Bedhead or Page/Plant.)

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 28 May 2020 22:06 (one month ago) link

I dunno. I think that approach on Rid of Me makes it more intense than it would have been had it been recorded differently, and that intensity is kind of the point.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 28 May 2020 22:27 (one month ago) link

Can't really disagree, but I don't think we would have missed out on any intensity with a different approach. Intensity is kind of her thing!

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 28 May 2020 22:44 (one month ago) link

He's just there to capture the moment in the most pure way possible and so, just a guy recording the band, doing their bidding, and so on. But the ironic result on "Rid of Me" is that he is more present and apparent than ever


Apart from his distinctive drum miking, I would argue that he’s no more or less present on this record than on any of his others. The band employed extreme dynamic shifts, and that’s what Albini recorded. Since so few bands of that type at that time were exploiting dynamics in that way, it sounded jarring; I seem to remember the contemporary Village Voice review talking about how some were rushing to credit Albini with what PJ’s band was doing.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 28 May 2020 22:55 (one month ago) link

Oh, I have no doubt it was her idea! I just find it distracting is all, since so few bands exploit dynamics in that way, period. But I'm also not a big fan of the guitar sounds on "Rid of Me," iirc. I should give it a fresh listen (if my family ever leaves the house, because they will tell me to turn it the fuck off, because see above).

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 28 May 2020 22:58 (one month ago) link

I guess the 4-track Demos album presents those songs in a much less overwhelming arrangements? I don't understand how Rid of Me is anything but a powerful band reaching for the most visceral, slamming sound possible, and absolutely nailing it. I'm glad it exists and I'm glad it sounds nothing like 99% of my record collection.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 28 May 2020 23:41 (one month ago) link

I mean - the dynamics and drama are the *point* of those songs.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 28 May 2020 23:43 (one month ago) link

Trying to imagine Rid of Me with a more 1993 Alt-Rock identikit production, and it's not pretty in all the wrong ways.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 28 May 2020 23:47 (one month ago) link

rid of me, produced by butch vig

mookieproof, Thursday, 28 May 2020 23:56 (one month ago) link

or Ross Robinson

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Friday, 29 May 2020 00:01 (one month ago) link

Gross

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 29 May 2020 00:03 (one month ago) link

Every record produced by Butch Vig would have been better without him, except perhaps for Garbage's first two albums.

pomenitul, Friday, 29 May 2020 00:07 (one month ago) link

Rid Of Me...produced by Mitchell Froom

Bells and whistles

Master of Treacle, Friday, 29 May 2020 00:51 (one month ago) link

I try to imagine Rid of Me produced by Flood all the time

Doctor Madame Frances Experimento, LLC", Friday, 29 May 2020 01:20 (one month ago) link

Really hoping she finally releases a compilation of her incredible b-sides. "Memphis" could've been a hit.

beamish13, Friday, 29 May 2020 18:23 (one month ago) link

^ I have been thinking about the B-sides as well. The press release mentions only demos being released as companion albums, and while with Dry and Rid of Me it's quite simple (Demonstration and 4-Track Demos have already been out since the early 90s, and there are like 3 B-sides from that period that wouldn't warrant a separate release anyway), things get a bit more complicated with later albums. For instance, the guitar and vocal tracks on "I Think I'm a Mother" are apparently taken from PJ's demo recording, similarly a bunch of tracks from Is This Desire? was just demos that were transferred into the studio and then the band worked on top of them. And of course she recorded most of Uh Huh Her (apart from the drums) by herself on an 8-track at home. There are probably more cases of her home recordings making their way onto the final albums.

So it seems in some cases the 'demos' may not be that different from the finished product, which makes me wonder if they'll include some B-sides on the future releases instead.

ˈʌglɪɪst preɪ, Friday, 29 May 2020 19:47 (one month ago) link

three weeks pass...

https://i.imgur.com/hY9kk6S.png

Rid of Me / 4-Track Demos reissues coming on August 21st.

ROM vinyl cutting by Bob Weston at Chicago Mastering under the guidance of Steve Albini, 4TD cutting by Jason Mitchell at Loud Mastering under the guidance of John Parish.

ˈʌglɪɪst preɪ, Thursday, 25 June 2020 21:23 (two weeks ago) link

White Chalk era From The Basement session up on YouTube. I think it’s my favourite album of hers. http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnEQRzSLg1KI_7ECYQBI71h04XN3t3S40

This Is Not An ILX Username (LaMonte), Thursday, 25 June 2020 21:50 (two weeks ago) link


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