have you quit the labour party yet?

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he's got a winning mentality and he evolves ..he doesn't revolve... tbh all I can add is he is a melt and looks like a complete twat!

I'm sure his hair has sealed the deal with Starmer.

"must get back to winning elections" has always meant "...by becoming conservative party lite" and no difference now.

Now is not the time to point fingers about the annexation of Naboo. I propose that we work with our learned friends from the Trade Federation on a comprehensive inquiry into these allegations pic.twitter.com/xWvoAvbobh

— Professor Piss Shitty (@DrFuck_) May 27, 2020

should i see professor piss shitty's other tweets (as found at the @DrFuck account)

he's one of my few non-bot followers on twitter so obv he's a top class poster!

i don't understand Star Wars jokes tbh

I disenfranchised myself last week. Mainly for pecuniary reasons, but I don't think my vote will count for much anymore. They are going to sew this up tight. Besides which, as I replied to the admin bod who emailed me, Starmer seems to have access to the wallets of some very well-off ppl so I think my pitiful pounds are needed by me more than you, currently. Commit to raise the ""living wage"" though and I might be able to afford to come back.

xp how about this

I like to retweet my Ian Nairn joke every now and then for the 7 people who get it. pic.twitter.com/oE1QgoeCOK

— Richard Littler (@richard_littler) May 25, 2020

lol ok i get that one

lol

I don't really get Star Wars jokes with less than obvious geek references but am just an easy mark for any Starmer shop if it makes him look like a twat. And erm some crap jokes have a potency to them yo know ... no not really a hill to die on!

no i know what you mean calz, even without understanding the references to the detailed politics of George Lucas's chef d'oeuvre i do get the general "Starmzy is a pusillanimous melt cunt" bit

the biggest problem with all of this is still the assumption that working with Labour is still necessary or desirable (or that it ever was tbh)

Interested in whether you think parliamentary politics in general are a dead end for the left or whether you think it is the rotteness of the labour party specifically.

As an outsider before moving to the UK I'd only ever voted for minority parties - centre left equivalents of labour in Portugal and Germany always being some shade of neoliberal, getting into a coalition and effecting some change that way seemed the only way for the left to influence things at all from a parliamentary pov. Corbyn was very energizing for people outside the UK as well because of the possibility of a real leftist agenda allied to a party with an actual large, consolidated base.

also somewhat bemused that the main protest I could make now aside from leaving the party - not voting - would only mean one vote less for Diane Abbott, so if it were to count at all (aware it wouldn't) it'd be sending very much the wrong message

yeah but imagine if your abstinence meant one less vote for Barry Sheerman or Streeting and bearing in mind most of the PLP are complete arseholes!

I'm not going to support a diseased party that needs to die and keeping this rotten game going.

my man Pennycook is one of the good seemingly-ok ones, gonna keep the faith for now i think. is one of the momentums wanting to stay in labour and the other wanting to splinter off?

I think the left should put on a unified front saying they will only vote for a labour party committed to bringing in PR so that coherent & representative parties are possible and then you can have a formalised alliance between different elements of the left as opposed to the current factional shitshow, otherwise yes it's pointless

bingo

have been delving into that excellent Pimlett book on Harold ov Hudds recently. Didn't know when he was part of a trade envoy in in postwar Soviet Union that very sneaky snake in the grass Mikoyan tried to get him pissed on vodka and he ended up drinking him under the table, probably absolute bollox like, but it makes a good story.

Entertaining book that - George Brown OMG!

not got to much of him yet, but I recall someone mentioning he can tell a good story or two

the man the phrase "tired and emotional" was invented for

i believe to explain why he was spotted literally face down in the gutter

I've just got where he is a rising star under the tutelage of Cripps who he worships a bit, and who is a very interesting commie from back in the day who much preferred eating raw vegetables much more than getting shitfaced and falling asleep in the gutter!

Two more different characters than George Brown and Stafford Cripps it would be difficult to find.

even as a kid i knew it was silly to accept a peerage then call yrself "lord george-brown"

its grim down south

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lol that's beautiful

this is specifically a london left map

haaaa

Interested in whether you think parliamentary politics in general are a dead end for the left or whether you think it is the rotteness of the labour party specifically.

pretty much yes (former but also the latter). tho I also sort of think "the left" is a dead end in most of its incarnations these days, in this country at least (not that "the right" or "the centre" are remotely preferable ofc)

I was never on the corbyn train but I get the appeal- still he did far too little to challenge the culture of the party (/britain in general- I'm aware this is an impossible demand) & the whole project was doomed from the start by its inability to separate its "social justice" goals from its (accommodation with) nationalism/racism/authoritarianism. I don't know if any social democrats have ever managed to square this circle

well the rioters are clearly the only cool ones here

so are you an-com doomer, leftcom, ???

idk

despite being au fait with jreg i have no idea which one of those i actually am. probably some unholy melange of the central four like the most of the rest of you

And it shows

top row is beautifully cursed. feel like normie momentum dropout-mind samurai-leftcom and everything between is a nice rich zone but irl primmy has its charms too

Missing: 'clueless metic'.

I am def irl primmy now

catch me reading camatte in my yurt

Is that the leader of the opposition sharing articles from the self-confessed antisemite employing Spectator? https://t.co/aPIx4Z5f6n

— Your Mum (@judeinlondon2) May 28, 2020

Starmer, the big fucking heroic-melt who always took such a strident approach to Labour antisemitism, sharing an article by an antisemitic shitrag that runs Wehrmacht apologist pieces by Taki.

Onwards..

while the corbyn project failed to push it through conference Boris Johnson and retirements have effectively instituted a policy of open selection for 40%+ of any future labour government MPs.

— bread and poses (@breadandposes) June 19, 2020

Well put.

Quite often see people on the TL talking about leaving the Labour Party & trying to build something new. A lot of the time they glumly conclude that (under the current electoral system) a splinter party would be doomed to get nowhere. But is that really true? Well, I wonder pic.twitter.com/rOmk9Ic2yj

— Edmund Griffiths (@EdmundGriffiths) June 20, 2020

If he's advocating a UKIP for the left what's the single specific issue it would be based around? There would surely have to be one.

Have been pondering the concept of BLM as an international political party tho

I'd fully support a breakaway party, even if it might attract some cranks and idiots that would need weeding out and might be a shitty experience. The Labour Party is dead & buried, something new is needed and even if it takes decades to even start making a useful impact on two party hegemony, it is better than drinking suicide-lager inside your despair-shed in the garden of absolute hopelessness.

"If he's advocating a UKIP for the left what's the single specific issue it would be based around? There would surely have to be one."

Socialism.

UKIP's never been anything but a joke as a political party, it was a hugely successful pressure group but it will never challenge tory supremacy (nor did it ever want to, really). With its objective acheived it will now gladly fade away.

xpost "socialism" hardly as concrete a demand as "we want Britain to leave the EU".

I was trying to avoid that answer as I don't see it as a single issue!

UKIP approach was 'with this one weird trick (leaving the EU) we can achieve ___'. Everyone (open to it) could understand that as a setting you untick. Socialism is a hundred different settings to recalibrate from tax bands to equal pay to defunding police to enforced quotas...

Workers rights?