Rolling Stones: Classic or Dud

You know what's an overlooked and great Stones song? High Wire

Almost

Some prime Mick Taylor slide guitar work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryRDcE2sB2A

Underappreciated film. Stones fan know about it, but it rarely gets mentioned anywhere else. It's a set of great performances from one of their greatest tours, and the film is seamlessly and unobtrusively done.

What name/names does the complete film go by?

I think it’s Ladies and Gentlemen, The Rolling Stones

Thanks

Yeah, it’s great footage! Is that the film they put out instead of Frank’s cocksucker blues?

Yes. It's taken from a few shows in Texas (Dallas & Houston, IIRC). As opposed to the Frank film, it's a straight-up concert film with no backstage shenanigans.

What <is> Barbara Walters Trying To Prove?

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f4/f9/95/f4f9952c66f880ad5d20b3bd632720dc.jpg

"Doodoo Lounge," LMAO
https://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/doodoo-lounge/Content?oid=885084

God bless alternative weeklies, imagine if the editor had tried that at the Tribune or Sun-Times

The same Bill Wyman later wrote this:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2010/11/imagine-if-mick-jagger-responded-to-keith-richards-about-his-new-autobiography.html

"I was not 30 and had lost us a historic treasure." LMAO again

I love that Wyman reponse to the Keef bio

He makes an excellent point about Keith's ballads. They may not have had a single decent album in 35 or 40 years (depending on how you feel about Dirty Work which has strong defenders), but each of those disappointments typically have one good ballad written and sung by Keith.

much excitement in this stones community about a 3cd set of remarkably finished-sounding outtakes from throughout their career that just, um, emerged.

https://iorr.org/talk/read.php?2,2805669

https://iorr.org/talk/read.php?2,2805935

I'm listening to this in the background (softly so I don't wake my better half), but this is some GOOD shit. I love the Stones, they're one of my favorites, but I've barely spent any time on iorr.org even though I've known about it for a long time. (I think I've spent maybe five minutes browsing a few topics on there over the last two years.) Is it worth exploring that forum more?

i've found it invaluable during tour time for tips on how to acquire "lucky dip" tickets (basically a pair of seats for 75 bucks or so, but you don't know where you'll be sitting until you get there -- wound up with pairs of lucky dips for both giants stadium shows on the most recent tour, really nice seats both times, an insane savings over the regular ticket prices). and for the general level of insane nerditude when it comes to rare / bootleg / oddball releases (different mixes, bonus cuts, whatever). the guy who runs the site seems to get inside info on the band, or has some kind of psychological bond with them that enables him to magically sense when and where things will happen. but like every other message board you have to take the good with the bad, there's the inevitable mick-taylor-do-or-die contingent, infighting, etc.

but its european english-as-a-second-language bent and general fanishness make it less of a "gimme a break" experience than, say, the hoffman forum.

omg this is fucking great

This isn't on YouTube – it appears to be, but I promise you it isn't the original. This is the original. And it's one of the best things I've ever seen. EVER. The Stones on Frost on Sunday 1968 performing Sympathy for the Devil. Mick is unreal https://t.co/AVc6kP2Qxe

— Dorian Cope (@OnThisDeity) May 3, 2019

amazing. the polite applause from the studio audience is hilarious to me for some reason

Did they overdub those background vocals on the live performance audio?

pretty sure they're miming to the original backing track, just Jagger's vocals are live.

That was my first thought, but I then I thought the guitar leads were different? Maybe they just brought in rhythm section backing tracks? How modern.

The first guitar solo seemed to be from the record, the second wasn't familiar.

wait, what's this then?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N52_8Ukuvcg

ahaha, okay, that was uploaded in 2020 and the "this isn't on YouTube" was from 2019

pretty sure they're miming to the original backing track, just Jagger's vocals are live.

― JoeStork

it's cool that they stick on mick for so long, because his part is real and what he's doing get soooooooo good. i guess the rolling stones = dangerous or evil thing is probably an old cliche at this point, but the 1968 version of jagger is still one of favorite people of all time. rolling stones as proto-punk, with jagger bringing the punk. dancing around unabashed as a tiny little skinny man and rubbing his stomach in front of a bunch of people in suits and ties watching david frost. even the other stones, in that performance, are just background furniture. they're not playing, they're miming. it makes jagger's performance even more cosmic, like he's the center of gravity in the midst of very dark energy

Mick going full Iggy there.

sympathy for the devil, street fighting man, jumpin jack flash for life. they all bring that energy for me

yeah, i was trying to figure out if that would pre-date iggy or not, like if they had run across each other at that point

Mick is def. the sort to have known about Iggy, he had his ear to the ground.

yeah, i see that an early version of the stooges was playing with mc5 in 1967, so maybe the same kind of cool people who knew about the velvet underground would know about the stooges? i don't know, to me it seems more likely that mick jagger was already an evil legend and iggy was a natural comrade

I have just been informed that Mick Jagger is 78 years old today

happy birthday to his belly button

XPS I don't think the Stooges were well known outside of Michigan until the summer of '69 (the s/t dropped the week of Woodstock, iirc). Jagger and Iggy both were well-aware of Jim Morrison, who was definitely eating Mick's lunch as a scary frontman at the time.

makes sense! i don't listen or watch the doors very often. i don't think of 1968 mick as scary so much as evil and very horny.

and dangerous. in that clip he really does constitute a threat to social order. the people watching aren't that affected, but how could you watch that on tv as a kid and not think "fuck yeah"

whereas with jim morrison i mainly get a horny and sweaty vibe, a shaman kind of druggy sermon. it's not scary to me either, but not evil either. sort of dangerous though, i guess!

https://i.imgur.com/JHTxWmG.png

https://i.imgur.com/4o5ucoL.jpg

i don't know, i guess it's true! ok jim, you got me

hmmm I definitely get dark magic channeling satan vibes from the doors idk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Zzzt_r6wj8

Also though, the Stones weren’t even really a performing band in this timeframe. Between April ‘67 and November ‘69 they were off the road and just did a couple of one-off shows plus a few TV appearances such as this one. During that gap Iggy totally blossomed and Morrison honed his act.

just imagine tuning into Frosty & getting that performance blasted into your eyeballs through your tube tv w bonus Jagger midriff

Easily one of the best Stones performance clips I've ever seen, whether live or mimed. (And pretty much the invention of Primal Scream, fully formed, too.)

and dangerous. in that clip he really does constitute a threat to social order. the people watching aren't that affected, but how could you watch that on tv as a kid and not think "fuck yeah"
Can confirm. As a kid in the mid-nineties I somehow managed to have this classically Boomer formative experience where I wandered into my parents' room where our only TV was and saw an early clip of the Stones, I think doing "Satisfaction." And I was instantly riveted. I couldn't tell if I found Jagger attractive or repulsive; I knew I found him scary, but I couldn't take my eyes off him. At this point - I think I was eleven or so - I had watched the Beatles' Help and A Hard Days Night a million times, but this was clearly on another level: none of the Beatles' cuteness or charm or humor, just pure menacing sexual charisma. An unforgettable tv-watching experience, even thirty years or so after it was filmed.

That clip is great but not so flat-out scary as the one they did for Rock'n'Roll Circus, to me. I'm sure everyone has seen it, but at the end when he rips his shirt off and someone has drawn symbols all over his body, I gasped a little the first time I saw it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jwtyn-L-2gQ

ugh i love that clip

just imagine tuning into Frosty & getting that performance blasted into your eyeballs through your tube tv w bonus Jagger midriff

^^Reminds of that line Jerry Wexler had about the Stones wanting Aretha Franklin to cover "Sympathy..." but the only Atlantic artist he felt could handle those lyrics "was Burl Ives".

It was an even sicker burn:

They wanted Aretha to record it. The only artists on Atlantic who could record those lyrics are Sonny Bono and Burl Ives.

^^From the Stanley Booth book