is it possible to calculate pitch velocity based on old footage?
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 22:36 (three years ago) link
handing ruth one of those skinny handle bats they got now instead of a maple log would be interesting to see
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 22:38 (three years ago) link
I think people are underestimating the leap in talent the league had in the 90s. Rony Seikaly and Nikola Vucevic are basically the same guy and are having the same careers.
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 22:38 (three years ago) link
In the 80s seikaly probably is considered a superstar for a while but in the 90s people thought he was just a stat padder
these conversations are crazy-making, obviouslyy if you zapped Babe Ruth c. 1927 into today's game he'd be toast, but "if he were alive today" he'd be up to speed on the modern game, conditioned differently etc., and he would dominate.
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 23:55 (three years ago) link
The league has a lot of stars. The best player on the 11th best team is generally considered a star player. In my world, a superstar is more like a consensus top 5 player in the league over at least five consecutive seasons, the type of player kids everywhere idolize and pretend to be, whose jersey still gets worn by fans a decade after they retire. You know, a superstar. Not Rony Seikaly.
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 21 May 2020 00:19 (three years ago) link
yay literally my least favorite sports discussion topic
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 21 May 2020 00:21 (three years ago) link
yeah i can't really get worked up about it
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 21 May 2020 01:00 (three years ago) link
babe ruth had no jumper
― lag∞n, Thursday, 21 May 2020 01:10 (three years ago) link
otm
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 21 May 2020 01:17 (three years ago) link
The league has a lot of stars. The best player on the 11th best team is generally considered a star player. In my world, a superstar is more like a consensus top 5 player in the league over at least five consecutive seasons, the type of player kids /everywhere/ idolize and pretend to be, whose jersey still gets worn by fans a decade after they retire. You know, a /super/star. Not Rony Seikaly.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 21 May 2020 01:30 (three years ago) link
hello and welcome to barstool sports
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 21 May 2020 02:10 (three years ago) link
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― Clay, Thursday, 21 May 2020 02:21 (three years ago) link
For you to sit there, Max Kellerman, and look me in the eye and say that Babe Ruth, a dear dear friend of mine, could not play into today's game is blasphemous....preposterous...things of that nature
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 21 May 2020 03:06 (three years ago) link
hello caller you are on the air
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 21 May 2020 03:10 (three years ago) link
To me, Luka Doncic has the potential to be a superstar. He's certainly a star player. We could move this to the understandably moribund Regular Degular part II thread.
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 21 May 2020 03:12 (three years ago) link
he was one of the best offensive players in the nba this year so he may have reached superstar status
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 21 May 2020 03:34 (three years ago) link
if there was no baseball strike back then, MJ would've threepeated the world series
― maffew12, Thursday, 21 May 2020 03:46 (three years ago) link
luka got enough votes to start in the all-star game and also he rules and is a superstar fin
― Clay, Thursday, 21 May 2020 03:50 (three years ago) link
Arguing that Luka is not a superstar? That is special.
― some vast airy pantaloon is required (PBKR), Thursday, 21 May 2020 12:30 (three years ago) link
Is Joe Flacco elite?
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 21 May 2020 12:40 (three years ago) link
Finished this morning--haven't caught up with all the posting.
-- Jordan's kids showed up in the final episode; I don't think his wife was ever in it.
-- I know Karl Malone was famously quiet, but I'm surprised with all the time that had passed there was no interview
-- I loved that one thing Phil Jackson said when Rodman disappeared again during the '98 Finals; "It's not a distraction for us, it's a distraction for you"
-- god, the NBA was low-scoring in the late '90s; I know the 3-point shot hadn't taken off yet, but what happened?
― clemenza, Thursday, 21 May 2020 14:57 (three years ago) link
Idk anything about basketball but Phil Jackson and basically every Bull who's not MJ come across like total mensches in this
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 21 May 2020 15:00 (three years ago) link
totally
did krause do an actual interview for the doc? can't remember anything
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 21 May 2020 15:04 (three years ago) link
he died in 2017
― Spottie, Thursday, 21 May 2020 15:06 (three years ago) link
ahh
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 21 May 2020 15:10 (three years ago) link
which was very convenient for reinsdorf
― Spottie, Thursday, 21 May 2020 15:13 (three years ago) link
Not endorsing this, but here's a long thing Joe Posnanski (primarily a baseball writer) posted yesterday that some of you might find interesting. It's behind a paywall so I put it on a Google doc, which he says is okay now and again.
http://docs.google.com/document/d/1fqfAFj1Oji9g2TJvOzYHSq5grtRn4G_cOmMrhZ1ROdc/edit?usp=sharing
― clemenza, Thursday, 21 May 2020 15:13 (three years ago) link
The short version is that it's a rebuke to that Magic Johnson quote above about the game being so much better when we played (common to all sports).
― clemenza, Thursday, 21 May 2020 15:16 (three years ago) link
xxp yeah I definitely noticed that everyone in this doc seems comfortable with their past except for the man who has the greatest basketball legacy of all time. it's not that MJ hasn't aged well he just looks deeply unhappy
his wife not showing up is definitely odd. I wonder why that is.
god, the NBA was low-scoring in the late '90s; I know the 3-point shot hadn't taken off yet, but what happened?
game was way more physical, you could get away with so much more defensively
― frogbs, Thursday, 21 May 2020 15:16 (three years ago) link
Maybe they could have at least arranged for an interview with ILX's Karl Malone, that would've been fun.
― clemenza, Thursday, 21 May 2020 15:23 (three years ago) link
i'm glad Stockton talked at least.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 21 May 2020 16:16 (three years ago) link
Now we know what Karl Malone thinks of Michael Jordan pic.twitter.com/Q7a7QdFHZp— E60 (@E60) May 20, 2020
― fatuous salad (symsymsym), Thursday, 21 May 2020 16:34 (three years ago) link
That cigar is one hell of a flex
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 21 May 2020 16:38 (three years ago) link
i haven't seen karl malone in years, that is exactly the way i wanted him to look and sound in 2020. what an amazing clip.what a bad sumbitch
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 21 May 2020 16:41 (three years ago) link
I don't think his wife was ever in it
her being his EX-wife prob had something to do with that
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 21 May 2020 16:46 (three years ago) link
damn Karl is cool af
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 21 May 2020 16:49 (three years ago) link
All in all, really glad I spent the 10 hours on this. I think two things above all else make it successful: 1) Lots of time given to Jordan's teammates and coach--Pippen most of all, but also Jackson and Rodman and Kerr. (I knew about Kerr's father from I book I read last year on the Warriors' rise). I don't think you could come away from this complaining "Hey, Jordan didn't win all those titles by himself." 2) It allows you to make up your own mind about Jordan. As I wrote in my first post, he never seemed guarded to me, for better or worse. All the things that drove him--the grudges, real and imagined, and the dismissiveness of other players that creeps in sometimes--they're all there. It mostly stayed clear of race after the Harvey Gantt/Nike flare-up--there's more in a single line from Do the Right Thing, when Spike Lee reminds John Turturro that Michael Jordan is his favourite player--than in all of The Last Dance, but that didn't feel like a glaring absence. I don't know if it's an absence that says more about Jordan or the filmmakers
I was wondering what other sports subjects might support something equally ambitious. The most obvious one to me would be Tiger Woods, a rise and (spectacular) fall and rise-again story like nothing else (with, at least for the first part of the story, a dramatic foil in Phil Mickelson). The key would be getting Tiger to let down his guard (and assuming there's actually a there there worth opening up on--hard to tell sometimes).
I don't know anything about football--the Brady/Belichick/Patriots dynasty?
It's almost impossible to sustain a modern-day baseball dynasty like the Bulls had, with the exception of the Joe Torre Yankees. But there's no figure compelling enough there to hold the center of the story the way Jordan does. (Sorry, Derek Jeter.) The Braves had an even longer dynasty, but coming away with exactly one championship rules them out, unless that becomes the story itself. I think you'd have to go back to the Robinson Dodgers or Stengel/Mantle Yankees for a subject that might be up to it.
The Federer/Nadal/Djokovic might be worth something equally lengthy, but I don't know how interesting those guys are off-court. Serena Williams is interesting enough, but her dominance might pose a problem dramatically.
― clemenza, Thursday, 21 May 2020 17:14 (three years ago) link
i wouldn't mind seeing ten hours on Madden's years with the Raiders. I wonder how many of those guys are still alive.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 21 May 2020 17:30 (three years ago) link
tiger is m/l the only other one i think can compare. plenty of other teams/players that could use a 1-4 hour documentary but not ten hours worth.
― Spottie, Thursday, 21 May 2020 17:33 (three years ago) link
the problem with golfers is they never really retire
― Spottie, Thursday, 21 May 2020 17:34 (three years ago) link
The dramatic tension is generated by Darths Krause and Reinsdorf actively working against their own squad - I don’t think there is a comparable story, at least not with someone with MJ’s dominance and influence at the centre of it
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 21 May 2020 17:36 (three years ago) link
Charley Finley's Oakland A's could totally justify ten hours
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 21 May 2020 17:38 (three years ago) link
Plus the pristine never-seen film footage of that very year - it’s extraordinaryIt is film, right?xpost
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 21 May 2020 17:38 (three years ago) link
I guess one with Tom Brady is already in the works and it's absolutely gonna suck
yeah see somewhere in the 10 hours they could've mentioned that
― frogbs, Thursday, 21 May 2020 17:41 (three years ago) link
Read a really good book on them--their dynasty was short, but in many ways they are the most interesting potential baseball subject of the past 50 years (with the parallel story of free agency).
― clemenza, Thursday, 21 May 2020 17:50 (three years ago) link
The Braves had an even longer dynasty, but coming away with exactly one championship rules them out, unless that becomes the story itself.
Dumb idea. Greg Maddux is one of my favourite players ever, but watching him shrug his shoulders for 10 hours might not make for compelling television.
― clemenza, Thursday, 21 May 2020 17:54 (three years ago) link
yup
Coming in 2021 ... Man in the Arena: @TomBrady pic.twitter.com/sObLdTXbIl— ESPN (@espn) May 21, 2020
not sure what the audience for this is outside of Pats fans. Brady is just not a compelling figure at all, the Pats dynasty is extremely boring and marred with stupid cheating scandals, and the vast majority of the country actively cheered for them to lose. plus being buddy buddy with Trump prolly ain't gonna help sell this
― frogbs, Thursday, 21 May 2020 17:58 (three years ago) link
I didn't know there'd been a divorce either. I'm guessing his wife had more control over her absence from the documentary than Jordan did, to the extent she could block any mention of her whatsoever.
― clemenza, Thursday, 21 May 2020 18:03 (three years ago) link
in my reading on jordan i don't get the sense that she played into any of the significant moments in his career, and wouldn't have any interesting perspective on them, even if they did have a relationship, which they do not.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 21 May 2020 18:08 (three years ago) link