not wearing a mask when you go out is "a sign of privilege".
That's so much utterly backwards nonsense. I actually don't know where to get a mask. Are there shops stocking them? I suppose I could look on Amazon but that's because I have an internet connection and a credit card.
― Noel Emits, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 17:22 (three years ago) link
I don't like the language of 'provilege' especially but, and this also shouldn't need saying, having to go out is clearly not something everyone can reasonably avoid just because they don't have a mask.
― Noel Emits, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 17:27 (three years ago) link
Provilege? Don't know the meaning of the word.
― Noel Emits, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 17:28 (three years ago) link
Absolutely recommend a keffiyah / shemagh if you want to simultaneously have some level of protection without taking PPE away from healthcare providers and look like you're in the PLO.
― ShariVari, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 17:29 (three years ago) link
or joining The Locust
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 17:36 (three years ago) link
obv
I did enjoy the terror1st chic effect when attempting to wear a scarf over my face one time but it kept falling down and defeating the whole purpose.
― Noel Emits, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 17:39 (three years ago) link
Hooligan chic I should say. People did actually seem to be giving me a wider berth.
― Noel Emits, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 17:41 (three years ago) link
Get some military surplus scrim scarf in olive paired with a black beret for the ira colour party look
― COVID and the Gang (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 17:46 (three years ago) link
An unmasked/ungloved person assuming privilege is a real thing though - particularly if they’re just breezing on through, pausing only to get annoyed at people who are dressed for protection, who are judged to be unclean or in the way. The privilege is assuming others will make way for you. Context was seeing obnoxious middle aged/class man going apeshit at a BAME youth for not backing himself up fast enough when MCW was trying to pass, and that being one of a few witnessed interactions of that type.
― santa clause four (suzy), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 19:17 (three years ago) link
Denmark is giving out masks on public transport. The United States is arresting/macing/tazing people who don’t look rich and don’t wear masks.So there’s a couple of options the UK could take. In seriousness the UK attitude on masks (this thread, general public, the government) seems to be a global outlier.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 19:29 (three years ago) link
next to no one is wearing masks here
― COVID and the Gang (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 19:30 (three years ago) link
we weren't hit like the uk mind
Right but it seems like no one is wearing them in the uk and most people wouldn’t know where to get one.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 19:36 (three years ago) link
My wife ordered us tailor made masks which I'm sure are medically useless but look really cool and I'm sure would at least prevent me breathing on people if I'd set foot in a building that wasn't mine for the past month and a half.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 19:42 (three years ago) link
i ordered some from etsy like a month ago and they have yet to arrive so i made a janky one out of a shirt.
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 19:45 (three years ago) link
“Medically useless” is the thing though. They’re not medically useless for the people you’re sharing a lift/bus/tube with.There are so many de facto experiments being conducted right now on what works in practice and I’m sure we’ll find out if mask wearing/closing parks/2m *actually *worked to slow the spread in a few months. But in the meantime there’s very good lab based evidence that they help. A tiny bit of leadership here from the uk govt would have quickly had vendors selling masks on every corner like they have elsewhere.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 19:56 (three years ago) link
I’ve been using clean scarves and tenugi cloths (and sacrificed the least interesting tenugi cloth to a friend with a sewing machine, who made it into a mask for me).
― santa clause four (suzy), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 21:09 (three years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYfYLRFWoAQcKip?format=jpg&name=large
There will be thousands of vacancies opening up on farms across the country in the coming weeks and we have already seen a fantastic response from the public wanting to pick for Britain this summer.
― calzino, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 21:24 (three years ago) link
I know of one leading politician who was picking for Britain even before the current crisis.
https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/d63d3f2b39430935e344bd01b46b8a8206cb715f/0_109_793_476/master/793.jpg?width=620&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=4a3528301f7d494143dd9b9439784e67
― Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 21:34 (three years ago) link
This us a tough read. How two care homes have coped:
Spent the day in Oxfordshire talking to carersThey tell a tale of the mistakes of this crisis, how the differences between expensive care homes and more modest ones and good and bad companies help determine who lives and who dies for both residents and carers.Thread.— Lewis Goodall (@lewis_goodall) May 20, 2020
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 22:33 (three years ago) link
Meanwhile BREXIT quietly proceeds
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/20/brexit-gove-confirms-plans-for-checks-on-goods-crossing-irish-sea
― koogs, Thursday, 21 May 2020 01:31 (three years ago) link
I think you mean is being cruelly betrayed!
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 21 May 2020 07:55 (three years ago) link
No surrender, Boris.
― Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 May 2020 08:34 (three years ago) link
my anecdotal observations from occasional shopping forays into hackney = some ppl are wearing them (maybe a third? a quarter?)
on the the whole older ppl (inc me) and more often black or poc ppl than white.
like tracer's mine is a janky self-made one which i have to tie behind my head -- more an awareness signal than a genuine medical device. i do have blue latex gloves tho, i scored a box v early on. streets are generally very empty so the issue of self-distancing doesn't seem to arise much here.
― mark s, Thursday, 21 May 2020 09:13 (three years ago) link
i've fixed my broken mask so i can brave the shops today secure in the knowledge that at least i'm not the one acting the cunt
― come out you melts and bams (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 21 May 2020 09:23 (three years ago) link
somebody got knifed at 8pm last night in the park where i play ball with my kids. unless the knife was 2m long that's a naughty disrespect of the rules
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 21 May 2020 09:23 (three years ago) link
anecdotal evidence but my daughter was telling me yesterday that a cohort of her friends seem to have totally given up on the idea of social distancing, notably since last week
― come out you melts and bams (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 21 May 2020 09:24 (three years ago) link
https://i.postimg.cc/Y2z4Ht1W/Castle.jpg
^ for reference
Barely anyone is wearing masks here. I suspect it'll be even fewer when it gets too hot to wear scarves, etc.
― ShariVari, Thursday, 21 May 2020 09:24 (three years ago) link
I already had a decent pre-lockdown stockpile (well two 100 boxes) of xl latex gloves which I use for dangerous cooking activities like chilli/scotch bonnet chopping. I didn't think about getting more before the price gougers moved in.
― calzino, Thursday, 21 May 2020 09:25 (three years ago) link
I've been feeling that ppl are giving up, too. Surprisingly a steady stream of neighbourhood scolds lecturing people hasn't actually made people more likely to follow the guidelines, what a surprise eh.
xpost
― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 21 May 2020 09:26 (three years ago) link
Yesterday's twitter fad was a buncha media types trotting out tired "lol Stoke Newington hipsters" material. The fact that this happened at the same time as Hackney having the third highest mortality rate in the UK really struck home to me how BAME and working class communities get treated here - first you get gentrified the fuck out of and then you get erased by clowns performatively expressing their disapproval of other clowns.
― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 21 May 2020 09:30 (three years ago) link
tbf you get erased by clowns cosplaying WWII as well
― come out you melts and bams (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 21 May 2020 09:31 (three years ago) link
I don’t think masks are ever going to catch on here unfortunately - in retrospect the waffling over their efficacy right at the start was unfortunate (as was the fact that the govt never advised wearing them obv). Now we have people thinking wearing a mask means going into a hospital and stealing one, or that making one is pointless (based on argument that are the equivalent of “there are no studies that prove covering my mouth when I cough stops me from getting coronavirus!”)
― What fash heil is this? (wins), Thursday, 21 May 2020 09:40 (three years ago) link
Quite simply the government should (have) be(en) supplying masks. But then even with good ones there are probably more or less or even counnter-productive ways to use them. If shops or buses are handing them out that means you're fiddling around your face with unclean hands and more than like it fitting it less than optimally. Then there's the question of how much if at all you should be reusing them if they are collecting particles.
Gloves certainly seem to be a bad idea, at least for shopping.
― Noel Emits, Thursday, 21 May 2020 09:54 (three years ago) link
* more than likely
Gloves certainly seem to be a bad idea, at least for shopping
thank you for yr helpful input
― mark s, Thursday, 21 May 2020 09:57 (three years ago) link
now i'm no amateur virologist but i'm pretty sure that *putting something across your mouth and nose while you're around other people* is productive full stop and pondering whether it's worth bothering is part of the problem
― come out you melts and bams (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 21 May 2020 10:00 (three years ago) link
There are loads of videos online showing easy ways to make masks out of socks, old T shirts, handkerchiefs... if you tie them properly they will stay on and you can put a little bit of kitchen roll inside as an extra layer of filtration. Then you wash them when you get inside, as you wash your hands. This makes them reusable. It’s really not that hard
― What fash heil is this? (wins), Thursday, 21 May 2020 10:00 (three years ago) link
― gyac, Thursday, 21 May 2020 10:05 (three years ago) link
hey Dyson
suck it
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/may/21/dysons-uk-staff-revolt-against-order-to-return-to-work-coronavirus
― nashwan, Thursday, 21 May 2020 10:10 (three years ago) link
“rough” or “stabby” area
UK politics thread description
― megan thee macallan 18 year (||||||||), Thursday, 21 May 2020 10:11 (three years ago) link
our local newsagent is selling masks - might pick up a couple before they become (inevitably) mandated. beat the rush
― megan thee macallan 18 year (||||||||), Thursday, 21 May 2020 10:13 (three years ago) link
/“rough” or “stabby” area/UK politics thread description
― gyac, Thursday, 21 May 2020 10:15 (three years ago) link
"Gloves certainly seem to be a bad idea, at least for shopping"
put them on before you go inside the shop/supermarket, chuck them into the nearest bin when you leave, as long as you aren't touching your face with them I think they are good imo
― calzino, Thursday, 21 May 2020 10:21 (three years ago) link
struck home to me how BAME and working class communities get treated here - first you get gentrified the fuck out of and then you get erased by clowns performatively expressing their disapproval of other clowns.
God, is this ever OTM.
― Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 May 2020 10:22 (three years ago) link
btw even the Scottish government of St. Nicola of Sturgeon didn't recommend the wearing of masks.
― Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 May 2020 10:24 (three years ago) link
I think that was a failure all over Europe. Others are trying to catch up tho, which the UK isn't, really.
― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 21 May 2020 10:30 (three years ago) link
They are widely available. Last week I bought a pack of 10 for £10 in a local chemist. I thought that was a bit expensive and this turned out to be true. I'd forgotten to mention my purchase to my wife and she independently bought a pack from some other shop for £7.50. At the post office they were selling them individually for £1 each. Standing in the queue I watched as the clerk pulled a mask out from a multi-pack with his bare hands (not that wearing gloves would have been any better since he's constantly handling cash and letters/parcels) and handed it over to the customer. Admittedly, he only touched the strings part of it.
― dubmill, Thursday, 21 May 2020 10:34 (three years ago) link
setting aside how well or badly difft govts handled it, there was a genuine conundrum here: clear early announcement of the value of masks everywhere leading to a run on purchase of masks by those with superior resources leading to a shortfall (given inadequacy of reserves at that time) for those that needed them most, most quickly
one of the pleasing things abt the homerton mutual aid whatsapp was the announcment in early weeks of switchover by local textiles artists to the manufacture of masks (for free, with their new-found free time) and asking and discussion of where they were then best sent
― mark s, Thursday, 21 May 2020 10:41 (three years ago) link