still confused about why no opening acts are listed in the PF gigographies I looked at
― sleeve, Monday, 18 May 2020 15:02 (three years ago) link
Steve Miller Band in 1968: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqgsE0l_Uhg&list=PL6F11751C56BA9F76&index=4
― dan selzer, Monday, 18 May 2020 15:03 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJfAmDi6kkc
― dan selzer, Monday, 18 May 2020 15:05 (three years ago) link
Sorry about that first link. It's the song "In My First Future". Sounds like a Meddle outtake.
― dan selzer, Monday, 18 May 2020 15:07 (three years ago) link
Apparently I saw them (Floyd not SMB) twice on the Momentary Lapse Of Reason tour. August 5th or 6th 1988 at Wembley Stadium, which is a perfectly fine memory, stood right down the front. But I also have a ticket stub for one of the Docklands Arena dates the following July. Not sure I'd have remembered that otherwise. No support acts AFAIR.
― Noel Emits, Monday, 18 May 2020 15:14 (three years ago) link
Whereas I distinctly remember the opening act for Bowie at Wembley the year before. Fucking Big Country. Not that Bowie was much better on that tour. Yes I know BC are inexplicably loved around here.
― Noel Emits, Monday, 18 May 2020 15:23 (three years ago) link
Quick google of bands that have opened for Pink Floyd:
The Who AND The Move (1966!) https://preview.redd.it/v8sl5jyqbix31.jpg?width=376&auto=webp&s=8309323a86aedddebe2511f3d01674aa75125551Fairport Convention (1967)Soft Machine (1967 & 1973)Fleetwood Mac (1968)Grateful Dead (1968, both bands jamming together for the encores)Henry Cow (1968! their first live performance, 1969, 1972)Holy Modal Rounders (1968, with Sam Shephard! on drums)Smile (1968, pre-Queen Brian May/Roger Taylor band)Principal Edwards Magic Theatre (1968, funded by John Peel, produced by Nick Mason)Jethro Tull and Roy Harper (1968)Savoy Brown (1969)Allman Brothers (1970)Nico & John Cale (1971)America (1972)Steve Miller Band (1975)
also:Elmer Gantry’s Velvet OperaThe StrawbsJan Dukes de GrayJim MetznerThe CollectorsThe Incredible FishSopwith CamelThe CommitteeStoney & The Jagged EdgeBetty MoonStockyard In PhillyLeonard CheshireThe Initial ShockSpeed, Glue, and Shinky
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 18 May 2020 18:13 (three years ago) link
damn some insane killer bills
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 18 May 2020 18:17 (three years ago) link
lol
I am pretty impressed by Speed Glue And Shinki (correct spelling iirc?)
― sleeve, Monday, 18 May 2020 18:29 (three years ago) link
ooh the Collectors. About to put them on a weird mix I'm making.
Nico and John Cale in 71. I can only wonder what any of those conversations entailed.
― dan selzer, Monday, 18 May 2020 18:53 (three years ago) link
iirc that was cale's first solo gig! a tape of his set survives. whoever taped it didn't tape floyd.
― Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 18 May 2020 19:59 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwGpwQXQ590
― tylerw, Monday, 18 May 2020 20:09 (three years ago) link
Somehow I knew Tyler would know where to find a copy.
― Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Monday, 18 May 2020 20:11 (three years ago) link
Is this the gig where he played with Mike Heron? Or Mike Heron played with him?
― Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Monday, 18 May 2020 20:14 (three years ago) link
yes, I think Heron is playing on a few songs here!
― tylerw, Monday, 18 May 2020 20:15 (three years ago) link
1971 Rolling Stone interview with Cale (& Nico) discussing the above show (barely any Pink Floyd content):
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2012/sep/25/john-cale-nico-interview
and yes Heron plays with him.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 18 May 2020 20:15 (three years ago) link
Pretty good evening's entertainment all round!
― Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Monday, 18 May 2020 20:16 (three years ago) link
Mind you, it might have been a good idea for Mike Heron to learn the songs first.
― Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Monday, 18 May 2020 21:22 (three years ago) link
Yeah sounds like they maybe had a 15-minute rehearsal beforehand. Pretty cool though! Interesting that Cale already had a few Paris 1919 tunes at this point.
― tylerw, Monday, 18 May 2020 22:06 (three years ago) link
Roger stirs things up even more
An announcement from me. And when I mention the @pinkfloyd website, I also mean the Facebook page and all the rest. pic.twitter.com/x9T8CIAAMp— Roger Waters (@rogerwaters) May 19, 2020
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 05:17 (three years ago) link
I got two friends who are all about Pink Floyd ruling, and I can’t seem to get them to listen to Can. What would you think would be the best connection point to get them into them. Future Days perhaps?
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 05:23 (three years ago) link
Roger otm throughout that message.
― the grateful dead can dance (anagram), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 07:48 (three years ago) link
honestly fuck David Gilmour and his cosy family singalongs
― the grateful dead can dance (anagram), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 07:58 (three years ago) link
If you think that's their best music. I don't think Can and Pink Floyd are all that similar, and they grow further apart as they go on.
― Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 09:55 (three years ago) link
Pink Floyd rules but I have never gotten hooked by the Can. I like "Vitamin C" a lot but otherwise I have found their music too slippery for me, more watery whereas the Floyd is more airy. I still give the Can a lotta time to try to get it to click given how many people here & in my life elsewhere rate them so highly.
― Joey Corona (Euler), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 10:12 (three years ago) link
Yeah I don't see much similarity between PF and Can for the most part. Not that you can't like both, but the Can that is most like Floyd probably isn't the most essential Can or like the best Floyd. Maybe stuff like All Gates Open, Animal Waves, Come Sta La Luna could vaguely be cross over points (?) but better to take the bands on their own terms.
― Noel Emits, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 10:45 (three years ago) link
Floyd for Can heads = A Saucerful Of Secrets, One Of These Days, Echoes, Sheep.
― Noel Emits, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 10:50 (three years ago) link
It's not that I think Pink Floyd and Can sound alike, its just something about a certain type of epic late 60s into the 70s thing, where there's equal parts song and expansion, noise and groove, it's like, maybe the things I think that make them different are worth comparing at times as they show the flaws of the other? I dunno.
― dan selzer, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 13:57 (three years ago) link
Groove is not a property I associate with Pink Floyd tbh.
― Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 14:02 (three years ago) link
you gotta get down with it
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 14:28 (three years ago) link
prob easier to convert deadheads
― brimstead, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 16:19 (three years ago) link
Nick Mason is very appropriate for Pink Floyd as he doesn’t play too complex. It gives the Wright/Gilmour textures room to breathe. But I’d love to imagine what they would have achieved with a drummer like Jaki.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 16:20 (three years ago) link
Xpost the Dead's drumming is maybe the worst part of the band outside of "Good Lovin'"
Two drummer lineups are so hard to pull off
But either way I kinda see Pink Floyd as the opposite of the Dead in many ways
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 19:04 (three years ago) link
it’s not like deadheads are gonna be all “oh man this would be good if the drumming actually sucked”... but yeah what a bonkers comparison
― brimstead, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 19:42 (three years ago) link
― brimstead
as a floydhead-converted-to-deadhead the difference to me is that floyd's improvisation was usually more constrained than the dead ever were. even a song like "interstellar overdrive", on the face of it a totally freeform instrumental, was really a matter of finding out a number of things that worked and doing them. the dead on the other hand were so absorbed in the moment and, honestly, in their own heads that a lot more things were possible for them
― Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 21:08 (three years ago) link
Yep, there's an economy of means to Pink Floyd's playing that really shines in an improvisational setting, whereas I just get impatient with at least 50% of the Dead's jams, even the legendary ones. And I like aimless noodling.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 21:14 (three years ago) link
I was talking about dead heads digging Can but I don’t know anymore
― brimstead, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 22:03 (three years ago) link
Moka asked: I got two friends who are all about Pink Floyd ruling, and I can’t seem to get them to listen to Can. What would you think would be the best connection point to get them into them. Future Days perhaps?
How about "Millionenspiel"?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMoxgb4TTFk
It's from 1969 so it pre-dates PF's "One of These Days"; but they seem to share a vibe.
Second pick would be the album "Monster Movie."
― ernestp, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 22:04 (three years ago) link
True, but this here is the PINK FLOYD (RULES) thread.
xp
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 22:04 (three years ago) link
(xp) It depends what era of Floyd they are interested in but, even then, I don't know why you assume Pink Floyd fans would like "Monster Movie".
― Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 22:16 (three years ago) link
If you're more of a pre-DSOTM Floyd fan I can't imagine you'd have too many problems adjusting to Can.
― Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 22:18 (three years ago) link
here's how to get pink floyd fans into can
tell them "listen to can, they rule"
since pink floyd also RULES obviously they should be interested
if they aren't for some reason that's fine, just make fun of them until they either go away or start pretending to like can
of course there is also the (great) piece can did on the old grey whistle test in '74 called "untitled (for pink floyd)", looks like the sendspace i threw up of it a little while back is still good
https://www.sendspace.com/file/qh3qo1
― Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 22:26 (three years ago) link
My dad loves Floyd's post-Syd, pre-DSOTM material, was into Ash Ra Tempel and Amon Düül at the time, and his favourite King Crimson album is Islands, yet he still finds Can too busy and weird, even on Future Days. That he discovered them almost thirty years later is likely part of the problem.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 22:27 (three years ago) link
Fair enough though, Amon Duul II and Ash Ra Tempel fit more neatly with that era of Floyd.
― Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 22:35 (three years ago) link
CAN propose to take you on an adventure, to bear witness to the whole wild ride, slipperiness and all. it's immediate and exhilarating but might cause you to feel apprehensive or disoriented.
pink floyd have already come back from their adventures and propose to tell you about it in exaggerated if highly enjoyable detail. the achievements are towering but we're dealing with a more-or-less formalized storytelling, not wild and magical incantations.
it's maybe a bit like the difference between rabelais and racine.
― budo jeru, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 23:23 (three years ago) link
I don't think Pink Floyd's music is ever as tightly wound as Racine's alexandrins, but in terms of sheer clarity I agree that the two intersect. The difference is that post-Syd, pre-The Wall Pink Floyd view optimization as a means of approximating a modest experience of transcendence, whereas there's a claustrophobic logic to Racine's plays that doesn't really point towards anything other than its own aesthetic and theological fatalism.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 23:35 (three years ago) link
this is very otm
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 00:43 (three years ago) link
lol, could you even imagine what a CAN concept album would be about?
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 03:54 (three years ago) link
A can of vegetables?
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 04:55 (three years ago) link
mushrooms, to be exact, with heads
they use quantum physics to summon Mother Sky from the future days and bring the rain during the vernal equinox
― sleeve, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 05:09 (three years ago) link