It's the card-carrying that bothers me more, of those who claim to be carrying a card that says what they are.
― nashwan, Monday, 18 May 2020 09:15 (four years ago) link
Yes, but the US is weird, you have that registered Democrat/Republican thing.
― Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Monday, 18 May 2020 09:18 (four years ago) link
The person I know who is like this has issues she feels passionately about that span the political spectrum: anti-abortion, pro-science, pro-environment, anti-global intervention (but also pro-military), pro-capitalism, anti-corruption, anti-tax ("if our taxes weren't being used to line fat cats' pockets, then why do we have potholes?"), anti-racism, pro-gun, pro-UBI. She was partially raised by a Libertarian, but was registered Democrat until it became obvious that Hillary was going to be the nominee in 2016. She then switched her registration to Independent weeks ahead of the Maryland primary, knowingly disenfranchising herself. She also holds a grudge against Sanders now and believes him to be corrupt, since he didn't put up enough of a fight about Hillary for her tastes. Voted Johnson instead. Terrified of covid and thinks reopening is a bad idea, but believes that keeping the Tesla factory closed is fascist.
― peace, man, Monday, 18 May 2020 12:26 (four years ago) link
sounds like she should be less passionate
― j., Monday, 18 May 2020 15:03 (four years ago) link
It's the "I think for myself" bit that is impossible to read as anything other than smug, self-congratulatory preening. The first half I don't have a problem with.
― Matt DC, Monday, 18 May 2020 15:14 (four years ago) link
The "I think for myself" is the clue that the word "sheeple" is lurking somewhere in the background.
― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 18 May 2020 16:59 (four years ago) link
Yes, there's a big difference between someone saying "I don't know what side I'm on" vs "I'm privy to secret knowledge that puts me outside the bounds of a narrow political system."
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 18 May 2020 17:05 (four years ago) link
The first half I don't have a problem with.
Neither do I, I'm not a Democrat or Republican, a liberal or a conservative either.
― Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Monday, 18 May 2020 17:06 (four years ago) link
if you can follow up this statement by explaining the entirely novel political philosophy you've thought up yourself without any reliance on earlier ideas, then it's fair enough.
― Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 18 May 2020 17:08 (four years ago) link
you must love joe rogan
― no (Left), Monday, 18 May 2020 17:08 (four years ago) link
xp
― no (Left), Monday, 18 May 2020 17:09 (four years ago) link
if online political quizzes made by americans have taught me anything it’s that every person or political position can be placed somewhere on a spectrum between ”very liberal” and “very conservative”
― no (Left), Monday, 18 May 2020 17:13 (four years ago) link
I'm not a DemocratI'm not a RepublicanI am something you can never understand
― DJP, Monday, 18 May 2020 17:14 (four years ago) link
I wouldvote foryou
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 May 2020 17:15 (four years ago) link
the absolute worst amateur online political philosophers are the ones who explain to you this amazing thing they've read about called "The Horseshoe Theory"
― Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 18 May 2020 17:17 (four years ago) link
The person I know who is like this has issues she feels passionately about that span the political spectrum: anti-abortion, pro-science, pro-environment, anti-global intervention (but also pro-military), pro-capitalism, anti-corruption, anti-tax ("if our taxes weren't being used to line fat cats' pockets, then why do we have potholes?"), anti-racism, pro-gun, pro-UBI.
So yeah, this is an extremely uncharacteristic example of the form, it is usually somebody whose views are extremely conventional but who really wants to convince you that in their case those views were arrived at by austere moral computation uncontaminated with any preconceptions or biases, unlike the identical views when held by "partisans"
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 18 May 2020 17:18 (four years ago) link
the left and right both shout at me on twitter when I rhapodise about the status quo
― no (Left), Monday, 18 May 2020 17:20 (four years ago) link
xp uncharacteristic? i've met hundreds of people who think like that
― trapped out the barndo (crüt), Monday, 18 May 2020 17:21 (four years ago) link
lots of "no no people aren't like this they are actually like THIS don't you see" itt
― no (Left), Monday, May 18, 2020 12:13 PM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
I know you've got a shtick going but the most obnoxious "share your results" thing on most of these quizzes is, to the point where a zillion dumb memes have been made about it, a quadrant graph and not one with two poles!
― mh, Monday, 18 May 2020 17:22 (four years ago) link
my politics isn’t based on politics unlike you plebs
― no (Left), Monday, 18 May 2020 17:22 (four years ago) link
quadrant thing is also bs
― no (Left), Monday, 18 May 2020 17:23 (four years ago) link
When we have already decided what said people are going to say, its no wonder they never disappoint us!
― anvil, Monday, 18 May 2020 17:25 (four years ago) link
People never disappoint you?
― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 18 May 2020 17:29 (four years ago) link
I never see the original political compass quiz anymore that the libertarians used to show that actually everyone in both parties should join them
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 18 May 2020 17:33 (four years ago) link
it was replaced by the one that shows that actually everyone is a social democrat
― What's (Left), Monday, 18 May 2020 17:43 (four years ago) link
― DJP, Monday, May 18, 2020 1:14 PM bookmarkflaglink
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, May 18, 2020 1:15 PM bookmarkflaglink
lols
― I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Monday, 18 May 2020 22:28 (four years ago) link
ime these ppl tend to be white conservative (or “libertarian”) males, pretty much any age between 20 and 60, salivating for an opening to “trigger” a lib. my preferred response is to say “Bernie was my compromise candidate and I really like guns” and just stare at them until they change the subject
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 06:34 (four years ago) link
(nb this interaction is all in my head bc I honestly can’t remember the last time I had an actual conversation irl with anyone besides my girlfriend)
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 06:39 (four years ago) link
another good one: “I’m socially liberal but fiscally conservative.”Collect them all!
― brimstead, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 16:26 (four years ago) link
I'm socially fiscal but liberally conservative.
― Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 16:52 (four years ago) link
The socially liberal fiscally conservative people are the opposite quadrant IMO - those are the libertarians, the type in the OP are socially conservative or moderate and fiscally liberal.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 16:54 (four years ago) link
people who say “I’m fiscally conservative but socially liberal” are ime centrists who have issues identifying with either party even though they basically always vote the same way. It’s a performance.
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 16:58 (four years ago) link
Lots of people are deeply uncomfortable with the idea that their tacit support of an unfair system makes them personally culpable, so they invent non-existent political identities to avoid feeling guilty about that while still benefiting from it.
― Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 17:12 (four years ago) link
I think that's a stretch. "lots of people" pay almost no attention to politics at all
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 17:36 (four years ago) link
Btw i know there are people who legitimately take things issue by issue and have a weird amalgamation of beliefs across the political spectrum.
But the people who make any variation of the statement in my OP usually tend to be sealions or political cosplayers
― I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 17:52 (four years ago) link
Or Libertarians that won't identity with the label cos it has "lib" in it
I think a lot of people are libertarian-curious but again, don't want to be associated with any particular party or movement because it seems gauche to them
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 17:59 (four years ago) link
because it seems gauche to them
A+
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 18:01 (four years ago) link
the "don't pay any attention to politics" faction is always going to be the largest single group
― Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 18:05 (four years ago) link
people who use some of the above and esp. "I’m socially liberal but fiscally conservative" usually seem to not be aware of too much going on but want to cover themselves while not discussing anything.
― Yerac, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 18:06 (four years ago) link
― Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length)
so ok, what's the overlap between these circles:
people who don't pay attention to politicspeople who are so taken care of by the status quo political discourse that they have no need to concern themselves with itpeople who are so excluded by the status quo political discourse that they have no viable opportunity to involve themselves in it
i self-identify, rightly or wrongly, as the third
― Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 19:10 (four years ago) link
firat two have some overlap, third one is a separate thing, however I would suggest that being engaged with political discourse by no means needs to take place within the status quo / mainstream media setting, actually most real discourse takes place outside it.
― Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 19:40 (four years ago) link
I would suggest there’s a difference between people who don’t follow “politics” vs people who just don’t follow the news (irrespective of any distrust of media)
― brimstead, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 20:02 (four years ago) link
guh I need to eat something. Nevermind, Carey on
― brimstead, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 20:04 (four years ago) link
carry
self-identification is a matter best left to each self, but my outsider perception is that you find effective ways to involve yourself in the discourse on ilx and I appreciate those efforts.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 20:11 (four years ago) link
actually most real discourse takes place outside it.
― Wuhan!! Got You All in Check
yeah but i'm not a true scotsman so i'm not qualified for real discourse
sarcasm aside, i find engaging in any sort of political discourse in a kind, respectful, and healthy manner to be really fucking difficult, particularly since much of the discourse i am exposed to seems to my inexpert opinion to have unhealthy and self-defeating tendencies.
it's all a meta-conversation with me, actually talking about the issues isn't even an option for me at this point, it's just figuring out how to get back to the fucking table. that's diplomacy, it's like playing fucking Risk, every game of Risk I was ever involved in ended in a physical altercation.
― Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 21:03 (four years ago) link