US Politics, May 2020 — I will never lie to you. You have my word on that.

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They may as well be on Mitch's side.

Gosh! If that's true, then my friends should've just voted for McCain and Romney in 2008 and 2012! Shit, they may even have gotten health care!

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 May 2020 15:46 (three years ago) link

So did McConnell push this vote through yesterday because he knew at least two likely votes for blocking it weren't in attendance?

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 15 May 2020 15:59 (three years ago) link

Great job to the 10 Democrats who voted *against* the Wyden-Daines amendment that would have prohibited FBI warrantless surveillance of web browser history. Special shout out to Bernie Sanders who didn’t show up to vote. It was defeated by *one* vote.

— jeremy scahill (@jeremyscahill) May 13, 2020

treeship., Friday, 15 May 2020 16:09 (three years ago) link

Great job to the 10 Democrats who voted *against* the Wyden-Daines amendment that would have prohibited FBI warrantless surveillance of web browser history. Special shout out to Bernie Sanders who didn’t show up to vote. It was defeated by *one* vote.

— jeremy scahill (@jeremyscahill) May 13, 2020

treeship., Friday, 15 May 2020 16:09 (three years ago) link

this is disappointing

treeship., Friday, 15 May 2020 16:09 (three years ago) link

yes, have to wonder if this doesn't fall in Schumer's lap w/r/t vote counting

I can't imagine this happened and they knew how many votes they had

Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 15 May 2020 16:11 (three years ago) link

just sloppy and unnecessary

Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 15 May 2020 16:11 (three years ago) link

i'm happy to spread the blame around. but bernie is also at fault, much as i admire him

treeship., Friday, 15 May 2020 16:15 (three years ago) link

the student loan issue is also atrocious. if we're entering a depression we can't have young workers saddled with hundreds of thousands of debt, it's insane.

treeship., Friday, 15 May 2020 16:17 (three years ago) link

yes, have to wonder if this doesn't fall in Schumer's lap w/r/t vote counting

I can't imagine this happened and they knew how many votes they had

― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII),

otm

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 May 2020 16:18 (three years ago) link

Whatever plan the house comes up with has to go through the senate, right?

Cow_Art, Friday, 15 May 2020 16:25 (three years ago) link

democrats who voted NO:

Carper, Thomas R. (D-DE)
Casey, Robert P., Jr. (D-PA)
Feinstein, Dianne (D-CA)
Hassan, Margaret Wood (D-NH)
Jones, Doug (D-AL)
Kaine, Tim (D-VA)
Manchin, Joe, III (D-WV)
Shaheen, Jeanne (D-NH)
Warner, Mark R. (D-VA)
Whitehouse, Sheldon (D-RI)

i'm surprised by Whitehouse. I thought he was relatively cool? maybe he's not

porlockian solicitor (Karl Malone), Friday, 15 May 2020 16:41 (three years ago) link

me too, surprised

Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 15 May 2020 16:45 (three years ago) link

can only hope this insider trading business is somehow the end of Feinstein

Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 15 May 2020 16:45 (three years ago) link

barely picked up any traction i feel like

Nhex, Friday, 15 May 2020 21:33 (three years ago) link

do none of these people ever die

silby, Friday, 15 May 2020 21:36 (three years ago) link

She'll be 90+ when her term ends, surely this is the last term.

nickn, Friday, 15 May 2020 21:41 (three years ago) link

can't kill 'em they were born dead

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 15 May 2020 21:59 (three years ago) link

Whatever plan the house comes up with has to go through the senate, right?

Yes. Bills also must be signed by the president.

As for backing off on their first position on student loan forgiveness, I hear endless complaints about Democrats not knowing how to ask for more than they think they'll get as a negotiating tactic and pre-emptively conceding ground. Now, when they actually do propose a plan that the Senate would never agree to, but represents a strong opening position, I hear how useless they are because they didn't succeed in getting their opening proposal, uncompromised.

(scratches head) It's almost as if some people will always find a reason why the Democrats are bad, incompetent and corrupt, because this is an article of faith that cannot ever be contradicted, only confirmed, by the evidence, no matter what the evidence is.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 15 May 2020 22:01 (three years ago) link

there's a ton of political pressure on both side to push these bills through right now, and there's zero excuse for not including things like student loan forgiveness—*at least* as sacrificial pawns in order to preserve the next-least likely components

Maybe it's time to stop believing a faction of Democrats are exercising realpolitik and understand instead that they DON'T WANT things like student debt forgiveness

Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 15 May 2020 22:11 (three years ago) link

how is this guy still employed, and what the actual fuck

Excuse me what?? pic.twitter.com/OgPfi4v4z1

— Secular Talk (@KyleKulinski) May 15, 2020

Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 15 May 2020 22:16 (three years ago) link

but the leadership did include student loan forgiveness. then Pelosi counted votes. if you want to blame 'the democrats', then blame the remaining twenty or thirty 'blue dog' democrats, not Pelosi (who can count votes) or the bulk of the caucus. then primary the hell out of those blue dog democrats.

it so happens that my rep is a timid blue dog democrat named Kurt Schrader. he had a primary opponent to his left. guess who I just voted for.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 15 May 2020 22:19 (three years ago) link

Pelosi is not merely a vote counter. She has demosntrated the power to build party concensus around these things.

Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 15 May 2020 22:22 (three years ago) link

You know what she does if she thinks this is important? She calls your rep in and tells him how's he's going to vote, what their plan is for insulating him, and how she will make it worth his while. Stop apologizing for her priorities.

Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 15 May 2020 22:24 (three years ago) link

yeah this whole routine about Pelosi just innocently counting the votes is bullshit. to pretend she doesn’t have any kind of vision or agenda as Speaker is weird.

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Friday, 15 May 2020 22:46 (three years ago) link

Many XPs

Nunes has a picture of Trump on his shelf? What a fucking toady!

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 15 May 2020 23:23 (three years ago) link

If Pelosi is just a human abacus, perhaps the Democrats should consider stronger leadership.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Friday, 15 May 2020 23:58 (three years ago) link

I totally would. Who are the candidates?

I don't want a speaker who agrees with me -- that's not her job. I want a speaker who responds to constituent prodding.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 16 May 2020 00:05 (three years ago) link

Adlai Stevenson

genital giant (Neanderthal), Saturday, 16 May 2020 00:06 (three years ago) link

Amash is out.

After much reflection, I’ve concluded that circumstances don’t lend themselves to my success as a candidate for president this year, and therefore I will not be a candidate.

— Justin Amash (@justinamash) May 16, 2020

jaymc, Saturday, 16 May 2020 17:59 (three years ago) link

I think it's good on the whole he is not running for President, but I have to admit that, as a non-libertarian, I see Amash as vastly smarter and more principled than most people who call themselves by that name, so I hope he stays high-profile because it will make other people who identify as libertarians be better and smarter.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 16 May 2020 18:01 (three years ago) link

It took him "much reflection" to reach that conclusion? The idea that maybe he's a bit slow on the uptake doesn't begin to cover it.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 16 May 2020 18:02 (three years ago) link

"I'm running"

"Hey you shouldn't"

"Wow, I never thought of it that way! Good lookin' out!"

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Saturday, 16 May 2020 18:12 (three years ago) link

One Easy Way for People Who Identify as Libertarians to be Better and Smarter (Number One Will Surprise You!)

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Saturday, 16 May 2020 19:19 (three years ago) link

It took him "much reflection" to reach that conclusion? The idea that maybe he's a bit slow on the uptake doesn't begin to cover it.

― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, May

It's PR boilerplate.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 16 May 2020 19:24 (three years ago) link

Surprised he didn't invoke his family in some way.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 16 May 2020 19:36 (three years ago) link

True libertarians don't have families. Children are nothing but takers.

but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 16 May 2020 19:41 (three years ago) link

Children are known as "Secondary Income Providers"

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Saturday, 16 May 2020 19:43 (three years ago) link

Having finished Tim Alberta's pretty good Trump book an hour ago, I summarized Amash as one of DC's few honest men about policies that kill people.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 16 May 2020 19:44 (three years ago) link

including those that kill indirectly?

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 16 May 2020 19:50 (three years ago) link

no, directly.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 16 May 2020 19:57 (three years ago) link

He's sincere about who benefits from lower taxes.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 16 May 2020 19:58 (three years ago) link

I liked Don Lemon's line last week about Obama living in Trump's head rent-free. That head will be exploding for the next day or two.

http://www.cnn.com/2020/05/16/politics/barack-obama-commencement-speech-2020-hbcu/index.html

clemenza, Saturday, 16 May 2020 22:19 (three years ago) link

Peter Navarro was on with George Stephanopoulos this morning. When Stephanopoulos tried to pin him down on, uh, "Obamagate," Navarro mentioned Hunter Biden getting a billion dollars from the Chinese. Stephanopoulos said that wasn't true. Navarro: "Be that as it may..." That's a pretty good segue.

clemenza, Sunday, 17 May 2020 16:45 (three years ago) link

one. BILLION. DOLLARS.

wtf?

inveterate practitioner of antisocial distancing (Hunt3r), Sunday, 17 May 2020 20:16 (three years ago) link

I thought I might have misquoted, but they put the transcripts online:

STEPHANOPOULOS: The vice president had an op-ed in USA Today in January, he warned in February, all through the month of February the president, President Trump, was praising President Xi of China. He was saying he trusted President Xi of China. He was saying President Xi of China was being transparent, that's why Vice President Biden says that the president was downplaying the threat from China.

NAVARRO: Yeah, well Joe Biden's has got 40 years of sucking up to the Chinese, including the eight years as vice president. And we know about the billion dollars that his son took from the Chinese.

STEPHANOPOULOS: That's just not factual, sir. That is not a fact. He did not take a billion dollars from the Chinese.

NAVARRO: Went into that hedge fund.

Be that as it may, I do think this election is going to be a referendum in many ways on China.

clemenza, Sunday, 17 May 2020 21:16 (three years ago) link

That last line is a big clue to how the Trump campaign thinks it can leverage xenophobia by linking the pandemic, the economic fallout, and bogus Biden scandals all to China in one big murky conspiratorial package, sold to the voters via a tangled web of bold lies soon backed away from, innuendoes, and rumor-seeding, that nobody can unravel.

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 17 May 2020 21:25 (three years ago) link

Aka...OBAMAGATE!

clemenza, Sunday, 17 May 2020 21:28 (three years ago) link


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