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slightly different origins in the UK: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mothering_Sunday, although it's basically the same thing

fetter, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 16:13 (three years ago) link

id imagine a lot of single fathers might rather themselves that they werent in the 80% that dont officially count as parents in some instances/contexts tbh

spruce springclean (darraghmac), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 16:13 (three years ago) link

there's even some single mothers, well they're gonna tell you that everything is just dirt

peace, man, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 17:11 (three years ago) link

My mom still tells me I’m dirt and she’s been remarried for 30 years

it’s been one week since you pissed on me (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 18:34 (three years ago) link

For people who come from more emotionally repressed families it's a functional excuse to do that.


this is a good point, hasn’t considered it before (no sarcasm)

brimstead, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 18:49 (three years ago) link

it is kinda awkward and annoying for women that have chosen not to be moms, because a lot of the message of mother's day is "in order for you to be celebrated as a woman, you have to be a mom" ... which, coupled with the traditional patriarchal thing of "women are not inherently valued. A woman is only valuable in relation to caring/supporting others" ... it can feel super shitty. It definitely is something that made me feel alienated from the gender I was born into, for sure.

sarahell, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 18:52 (three years ago) link

At least Mother's Day and International Women's Day are distinct in most Western countries. In Russia, for instance, they're one and the same, for the very reason you mention.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 18:56 (three years ago) link

i don't really see mother's day as a legitimate corrective measure to the "historical dynamic that tends to give single moms the short stick," primarily because the issue here isn't that fatherhood is valued "more" than motherhood. that's sort of missing the point, i think. it's not a matter of disproportional representation but rather of alienation and misrepresentation. it's not that motherhood isn't sufficiently visible, but rather that the lens through which dominant culture would have us view motherhood tends to obscure its fundamentally economic function. if anything, the marketing and commodification of motherhood that are central to how mother's day works as a national holiday are indicative of, and tend to reinforce, a patriarchal understanding of gender roles that — far from empowering (single) mothers — normalize (or justify) the emotional labor of motherhood as something a woman owes to society and for which she ought not be entitled to compensation or even basic goods and services that might facilitate the task of rearing a human child from womb to 18. from here it's not hard to make the connection to specific conservative legislation.

you might even go so far as to say that it's worth wondering why we find it so important to distinguish between fatherhood and motherhood at all !

budo jeru, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 20:06 (three years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Looting and vandalism are good not bad

silby, Sunday, 31 May 2020 22:46 (three years ago) link

sounds reasonable

plax (ico), Sunday, 31 May 2020 22:54 (three years ago) link

Looting and vandalism done by white people is bad not good

flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 31 May 2020 23:19 (three years ago) link

nah

plax (ico), Sunday, 31 May 2020 23:25 (three years ago) link

Looting done by Logan Paul is bad

Shampoo for my real friends (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 31 May 2020 23:29 (three years ago) link

almost no one is interesting enough for the mere fact of their disapproval to be worth sharing

The Cognitive Peasant (ogmor), Sunday, 31 May 2020 23:36 (three years ago) link

Logan Paul is a butthole

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Sunday, 31 May 2020 23:39 (three years ago) link

some people look better in a mask

i will FP you and your entire family (rip van wanko), Sunday, 31 May 2020 23:41 (three years ago) link

Rocky Dennis

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Sunday, 31 May 2020 23:46 (three years ago) link

the phrases "bad not good" and "good not bad" are both annoying regardless of the sentiment being expressed

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 1 June 2020 04:50 (three years ago) link

We have a whole separate thread for annoying phrases!!

all cats are beautiful (silby), Monday, 1 June 2020 04:51 (three years ago) link

j.d. is right not wrong

j., Monday, 1 June 2020 04:51 (three years ago) link

"good, not bad" is good, not bad, but "bad, not good" is bad, not good.

Shampoo for my real friends (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 1 June 2020 06:50 (three years ago) link

"Pizza" without a modifier should refer to Neopolitan style pizza which proliferated outside Italy in New York City. Despite countless perfectly fine regional variations, this is the One True Pizza, and when discussing pizza or arguing about pizza, pizza eaters in the U.S. especially should always humbly defer to experienced NYC metro area pizza eaters and keep their broken provincial tastes to themselves, fight me

Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 13 June 2020 01:32 (three years ago) link

blah blah blah who cares Yankees suck

all cats are beautiful (silby), Saturday, 13 June 2020 01:34 (three years ago) link

they're undefeated this season!

Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 13 June 2020 01:35 (three years ago) link

fuck em

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 13 June 2020 01:37 (three years ago) link

New York ok, but Italy still knows how to make them the best

Dan S, Saturday, 13 June 2020 01:39 (three years ago) link

I've had a lot of great pizza in Italy, but not as consistently good as NY/NJ/CT

Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 13 June 2020 01:40 (three years ago) link

It's plain to see there aren't any Italians on this board. You wouldn't dare.

pomenitul, Saturday, 13 June 2020 01:43 (three years ago) link

never had real pizza, will never care

brimstead, Saturday, 13 June 2020 01:45 (three years ago) link

xp that's why I'm itt!

Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 13 June 2020 01:49 (three years ago) link

Neanderthal is half-Italian, quarter-Sicilian

all dumb

Dig Dug the police (Neanderthal), Saturday, 13 June 2020 01:49 (three years ago) link

I do like a sicilian pizza

Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 13 June 2020 01:52 (three years ago) link

I'm still unclear on how Detroit style is different from Sicilian. They seem just about the same to me.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 13 June 2020 01:53 (three years ago) link

the best pizzas I've ever had have been in Italy

Dan S, Saturday, 13 June 2020 01:54 (three years ago) link

Detroit pizza has pieces of Officer Murphy in it

Dig Dug the police (Neanderthal), Saturday, 13 June 2020 01:54 (three years ago) link

doesn't it have brick cheese?

Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 13 June 2020 01:54 (three years ago) link

Sfincione is *kisses fingers*

I'm 1/8th italian, never been to NY but instinctively recoil at notion that pizza is better anywhere outside of Italy

Ciao

Rik Waller-Bridge (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 13 June 2020 01:55 (three years ago) link

The One True Pizza is made by Edmonton-based chain Boston Pizza.

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Saturday, 13 June 2020 01:55 (three years ago) link

jfc next someone will be saying Hot Pockets are the one true pizza

Dig Dug the police (Neanderthal), Saturday, 13 June 2020 01:56 (three years ago) link

J/k, it's mediocre crap that my parents like but there is no One True Pizza according to my postmodern neo-Marxist culinary perspective.xp

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Saturday, 13 June 2020 01:56 (three years ago) link

I went to a Boston pizza recently and they had a magician going round the tables doing tricks

Rik Waller-Bridge (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 13 June 2020 01:56 (three years ago) link

doing or turning

Dig Dug the police (Neanderthal), Saturday, 13 June 2020 01:57 (three years ago) link

I am eating some bullshit frozen pizza tonight and it will be real good tbh

Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 13 June 2020 01:58 (three years ago) link

Dr Oetker has the right prescription for me

Rik Waller-Bridge (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 13 June 2020 02:00 (three years ago) link

That's what I have!

Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 13 June 2020 02:01 (three years ago) link

The "Virtuoso"

Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 13 June 2020 02:01 (three years ago) link

I'm endlessly fascinated that, of all the foreign branding they could have conceivably chosen, they decided to associate themselves with the city of Boston, no doubt because of its legendary reputation for pizza.xps

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Saturday, 13 June 2020 02:02 (three years ago) link

First time I visited Vancouver I was perplexed by Boston pizza,I then took a trip down to Portland and saw a Papa Murphy's pizza. "Do these folk think pizza is irish?" I thought

Rik Waller-Bridge (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 13 June 2020 02:04 (three years ago) link

tbf the best pizza i've ever had may have been in montreal

mookieproof, Saturday, 13 June 2020 02:05 (three years ago) link

For real? Do tell. I had better pizza in NYC fwiw, but I'm hardly a connoisseur to begin with.

pomenitul, Saturday, 13 June 2020 02:07 (three years ago) link


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