congrats to hunter
― Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 18:39 (three years ago) link
Rereading the Transcendental Black Metal manifesto, it's still so so annoying - and kinda racist towards Norwegians
― Frederik B, Wednesday, November 13, 2019 4:29 AM (eight months ago) bookmarkflaglink
you think that's bad? check this vile shit out
http://www.uffdahhh.com/ole---lena-jokes.html
― the burrito that defined a generation, Monday, 27 July 2020 17:39 (three years ago) link
I'm sick of BM bands not getting called out for their anti-Norwegian racism
― the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Monday, 27 July 2020 17:42 (three years ago) link
When is HAQQ being physically released? Still not available here in Germany it seems.
― Duke, Monday, 27 July 2020 21:32 (three years ago) link
https://liturgy.bandcamp.com/album/origin-of-the-alimonies-2
aaaahhhh
― Chip-vill-A (imago), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 16:13 (three years ago) link
AAAAHHHH
― Ilxor in the streets, Scampo in the sheets (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 16:14 (three years ago) link
uhhh, wow.
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 16:28 (three years ago) link
astonishing, beautiful track
― Cabo Weibo (卡波微博) (Deflatormouse), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 17:16 (three years ago) link
Wow
― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 21 October 2020 19:12 (three years ago) link
I'm discovering H.A.Q.Q. with great interest. Some people seem to imply there's a "scene" of those black metal records that the genre in the most unconventional directions. Do you have recommendations ?
― Nabozo, Sunday, 15 November 2020 16:52 (three years ago) link
When the fuck can I buy this on CD? An old man writes.
― Duke, Sunday, 15 November 2020 21:26 (three years ago) link
It seems available in the US, but not in Germany
― Duke, Sunday, 15 November 2020 21:28 (three years ago) link
December release date. It keeps slipping back.
― Duke, Sunday, 15 November 2020 21:33 (three years ago) link
Nabozo: There's no scene as such, the bands that push things forward tend to be on their own.
That said, if you like Liturgy but are not into black metal per se I'd say give Krallice a go, they're similarly overwhelming; Krallice don't have the eclectic influences/instrumentation but the guitars and bass are more technical, complex, and melodic. Years Past Matter is their best record but it might be best to start with the S/T debut.
Oranssi Pazuzu are another band who have crossover appeal, given that they're rooted in black metal but are kind of evil space-rock.
There's also 'A Northern Meadow' by Pyramids, which has almost exclusively sung vocals (rather than screamed/rasped) and is unusually nuanced and brings up conflicting moods, it manages to be somewhat unique despite sounding quite a lot like another band, Blut aus Nord (who are also good but kind of hard to get into in my experience).
Sorry if any of this comes across as condescending, I don't know how familiar you are with any of this stuff!
― ultros ultros-ghali, Sunday, 15 November 2020 23:31 (three years ago) link
Relating to Krallice, I'd also really recommend guitarist Mick Barr's solo albums as Octis/Ocrilim and duo albums as Orthrelm as well--they're a bit more of a hybrid btw metal and other repetitive riff-based genres like minimalist classical music and post-hardcore
― call mr zbow that's my name that name again is mr zbow (Craig D.), Monday, 16 November 2020 00:08 (three years ago) link
i have potentially many, many recommendations but it seems important instead to note that the other advance song off the new Liturgy is maybe even crazier than the first
― imago, Monday, 16 November 2020 23:34 (three years ago) link
It's a trap (-influenced intro)
― call mr zbow that's my name that name again is mr zbow (Craig D.), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 03:24 (three years ago) link
thread. bow down
A year ago yesterday we performed Origin of the Alimonies in LA. We had organized a west coast Liturgy tour (of regular non-opera shows) around it - our first in years, with a new lineup - and I had decided to suddenly release H.A.Q.Q. at the beginning of the tour. We almost https://t.co/0eAdtyiqk9— Liturgy (@LITVRGY) November 18, 2020
― imago, Wednesday, 18 November 2020 15:05 (three years ago) link
The new album is quite something.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 15:14 (three years ago) link
it really is, eh
and now i'm onto the messiaen cover, which is...just...
― imago, Friday, 20 November 2020 10:44 (three years ago) link
Pre-ordered it on bandcamp but no sign of the complete mp3 album as of yet today 👀
― A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 20 November 2020 11:31 (three years ago) link
Loving it so far. The advance tracks really benefit from being heard in context.
― jmm, Friday, 20 November 2020 17:07 (three years ago) link
really loved that hunter twittwr thread. i’m def someone who def thought liturgy’s whole thing was too pretentious to bear but i’m glad i’ve since come around. the ark work deserved better from me and from most of the people who heard it
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 20 November 2020 17:38 (three years ago) link
Same. I was thrown off by the vocals on Ark Work and probably dismissed it too quickly. I haven't really followed them since.
Origin is amazing though. I'm happy to finally connect with this band.
― jmm, Friday, 20 November 2020 19:23 (three years ago) link
Performative snootiness: on.Having just listened to the thing in its entirety, it’s a mildly competent late Romantic/early modernist classical pastiche for the most part, with a couple of jazzy/free improv signifiers thrown in for good measure. Oh and some screamo trap why because it look intersting. The glitchy and black metal bits feel tacked on and are paradoxically aimed at enhancing the project’s crossover appeal. The Messiaen geetar cover doesn’t add enough to the organ original to make me want to hear it again. Not is the would-be narrative/operatic ploy a point in its favour, since it only serves to cover up the lack of immanent structural momentum throughout. I suppose I’d be less annoyed if it wasn’t hailed as an auteur masterstroke by folks who otherwise don’t give a rat’s derrière about contemporary notated ‘art’ music and who are unlikely to engage with it beyond this one heartbreaking work of staggering genius whose vibratory strings will make your hypostatic pneuma swoon at the end of Bergsonian time like the quatuor of Jonny Greenwood fame.Performative snootiness: off.Other than that, it’s not bad. Too much esprit, not enough esprit critique aka 6/10.I’mma show myself out.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 21 November 2020 01:14 (three years ago) link
2/10 title btw. Origin of the Alimoniae would have been more befitting.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 21 November 2020 01:20 (three years ago) link
I don't have enough of a background in contemporary notated art music to analyze it from that angle, but my upcoming Wire review does contain the phrase "makes up for in audacious energy what it lacks in compositional cohesion". So...
― but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 21 November 2020 01:21 (three years ago) link
Its exuberant self-confidence (outright faith?) is a blessing for that very reason but also a curse insofar as it exudes a kind of smugness that is proper to the autodidact. Then again, guitarist #2 is the son of Kyle Gann (whom I don’t like very much ftr, although I wish he’d guided them kids towards an Ives or Nancarrow cover instead of Messiaen – his ubiquitous early material, to boot – ‘cause that at least would have felt like a real curve ball, although perhaps lacking in self-satisfied neo-theological TRANSCENDENCE).
― pomenitul, Saturday, 21 November 2020 01:31 (three years ago) link
Anyway, I think you mentioned this in another thread but I very much agree that this is only tangentially a ‘metal’ record and shouldn’t be approached as such.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 21 November 2020 01:34 (three years ago) link
And just to pre-empt lj’s rejoinders: Jute Gyte, whose output I haven’t sufficiently explored yet, has delivered *much* better and more unique takes on the intersection being plumbed here.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 21 November 2020 01:45 (three years ago) link
proper to the autodidact
I haven't got into Liturgy much at all and haven't heard this yet except for the two advance tracks but, wait, HHH studied with Tristan Murail.
― actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Saturday, 21 November 2020 02:02 (three years ago) link
I stand corrected. I suppose this is an indictment of myself, HHH and Murail.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 21 November 2020 02:03 (three years ago) link
I mean, if anything, it's the smugness of the Ivy League dilettante.xp
― actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Saturday, 21 November 2020 02:03 (three years ago) link
Now that I know, 'tis a good way of putting it.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 21 November 2020 02:04 (three years ago) link
Silver lining: maybe everyone who loves the new Liturgy will check out Tristan Murail's fabulous Portulan cycle, which Kairos released last year?
― pomenitul, Saturday, 21 November 2020 02:10 (three years ago) link
I only just connected the dots that HHH is the grandchild of a billionaire oil tycoon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._L._Hunt.
― actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Saturday, 21 November 2020 03:19 (three years ago) link
Oh I remember listening to that Murail album last year. Thanks for the reminder. I'll get it out again.
― actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Saturday, 21 November 2020 03:22 (three years ago) link
Liturgy officially CANCELLED.xp
― pomenitul, Saturday, 21 November 2020 03:26 (three years ago) link
I’ve been criticized in the past for being so wide-eyed, sincere and ambitious about creating new forms for conveying like heartfelt emotion
really?
― CRVTCHΞS (Deflatormouse), Saturday, 21 November 2020 04:15 (three years ago) link
i’m def someone who def thought liturgy’s whole thing was too pretentious to bear but i’m glad i’ve since come around.
I think the music is great, the pretension is fine, the sanctimony is unbearable.
― CRVTCHΞS (Deflatormouse), Saturday, 21 November 2020 04:18 (three years ago) link
And HHH's parents developed something called imago relationship therapy. O_o
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imago_therapy
― jmm, Saturday, 21 November 2020 05:38 (three years ago) link
haha
― A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 21 November 2020 13:42 (three years ago) link
lol
― pomenitul, Saturday, 21 November 2020 14:36 (three years ago) link
Wait, we’ve had this conversation before, haven’t we?
― pomenitul, Saturday, 21 November 2020 15:12 (three years ago) link
This band are really good at one thing, and one thing only, and that's the "vibrant blast-beat chorale" thing. They have not at all figured out how to synthesize that one thing with any other thing.
The last minute of "The Fall Of SIHEMYN" is the thing that is good. I dislike everything else about this album
This band afaic has always been defined by the first two tracks of their first LP-- a terribly conceived, terribly executed a cappella "new music" intro, followed by a thrilling blast-beat chorale ("Pagan Dawn", by far their best track and one of my favourite songs in the world, seeing it live in 2011 was spectacular)
I cannot think of a worse opening track than the first track on The Ark Work, I hate it like I hate Eno's "The Drop" or the ninth Felt album
― flamboyant goon tie included, Saturday, 21 November 2020 15:57 (three years ago) link
xps The discussion page on that article is killing me.
What a mess. Not only is it entirely unformatted, it seems to be a paper someone wrote in enthusiastic support of Imago (perhaps even at the behest of Imago), cherry-picking details from studies that support Imago without once referencing any criticisms.
― jmm, Saturday, 21 November 2020 17:40 (three years ago) link
;_;
― imago, Saturday, 21 November 2020 21:37 (three years ago) link
"Generation" remains one of my very favorite rock songs
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Saturday, 21 November 2020 23:26 (three years ago) link
the poo_er of the angryman ffs
― Bandscamp Fryday (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 21 November 2020 23:35 (three years ago) link
god bless you, ever rong
― Bandscamp Fryday (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 21 November 2020 23:36 (three years ago) link