US Politics, May 2020 — I will never lie to you. You have my word on that.

harbl, over to you

lol i turned it off during susan collins

Tim Kaine, Senator from Virginia <<< Timothy Cain, anti-hero from a Cormac McCarthy novel pic.twitter.com/NZ9C0lOBXT

— Max Kennerly (@MaxKennerly) May 12, 2020

pat roberts says that fauci and crew are "like the fab four", although "it was the fab five, back in the day"

obviously he's referencing george martin as the 5th beatle there. or brian epstein. i guess.

'trump is increasingly isolated'

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/trump-eyes-campaign-shake-up

"Dr Fauci, who is your favorite beatle in three different categories: best overall songwriter (career), potential (as in who was capable of producing the most brilliant song in a short burst of creativity), and cuteness"

'mr. chairman, here's a clue for you all . . .'

the walrus was Fau

Donald Trump just doesn't understand: We have an economic crisis because we have a public health crisis — and we have a public health crisis because he failed to act. pic.twitter.com/hRrueGgx2C

— Joe Biden (@JoeBiden) May 11, 2020

(btw, his comment/question for fauci was, rather than saying "there's no evidence for immunity" for people who have had coronavirus, shouldn't we instead be saying "there's no evidence for non-immunity"?)

― porlockian solicitor (Karl Malone), Tuesday, May 12, 2020 11:33 AM (fifty-five minutes ago)

lmao, Dr Fauci, would you not disagree that we lack an absence of non-evidence about the unknown properties of non-immunity?

xp more like tim bain amirit

does susan collins have parkinson's?

Senators NOT wearing a mask while attending the COVID-19 hearing in person: Kelly Loeffler, Bill Cassidy, Richard Burr, Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, Mike Braun, Rand Paul.

— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) May 12, 2020

Susan Collins has stupidsons.

She has this:
https://www.nidcd.nih.gov/health/spasmodic-dysphonia

just want to document rand paul's actual words, because lol:

"The power over COVID-19 health policy, Paul said, “needs to be dispersed because people make wrong predictions. And really the history of this, when we look back, will be of wrong prediction after wrong prediction after wrong prediction.”

We’re opening up a lot of economies around the U.S. and I hope that people who are predicting doom and gloom and who are saying, ‘We can’t do this, there’s going to be a surge,’ will admit that they were wrong if there isn’t a surge, because I think that’s what’s going to happen,'” Paul said.

i'm going to go out on a limb and predict that the virus will do virusy kinds of things, like spreading

well Karl, keep in mind there are right right predictions, right wrong predictions, wrong right predictions, and wrong wrong predictions

"hahaha you thought a lot of ppl were gonna die but that didn't happen! bet you feel stupid now!!"

consistent with his beliefs that should Republicans never apologize, but Democrats need to apologize in advance for any counterfactual conditionals that Republicans state publicly, it's the same thing really so it's fair

Republicans should that is

"hahaha you thought a lot of ppl were gonna die but that didn't happen! bet you feel stupid now!!"

Why do Republicans have such a fear and hatred of erring on the side of caution where (other) human lives are concerned? 'Tis a mystery indeed...

how...?

Sen. Paul leaves coronavirus hearing and tells cameras: “here’s the other question and this is unprovable. I think New York would have lost the same amount of people whether we did anything or not”

“A lot of what happens with the virus is independent of what government does”

— Burgess Everett (@burgessev) May 12, 2020

why...?

wtf

fuck him.

Waiting for the question

here’s the other question and this is unprovable

Sen. Rand Paul, just a guy asking questions about things where no matter what you think the answer is, and however stupid his own answer is, he will claim that, "y'know, actually I could be right, and you can't prove me wrong."

the other question i have, and this is unprovable, is that if ron paul and his son would have never existed, the butterfly effect of the lack of their cosmic stupidity in the world would have prevented covid19 from happening at all

The House Dem bill establishes a Fed credit facility for debt collectors, tied to forbearance on debt collection payments. How about that. pic.twitter.com/WZ3X8jljpw

— graham steele (@steelewheelz) May 12, 2020

I didn't watch today, but this is a good exchange. Paul sounds sort of reasonable here, then Fauci completely knocks him down in a way that simultaneously gives lies to Paul's caricature of Fauci--no, actually I don't claim to know everything, which is precisely why I'm advising caution.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/05/12/fauci-rand-paul-coronavirus-senate-committee-testimony-vpx.cnn

mookie, explain the debt collector tweet? I'm too dense to follow what that meant.

it means debt collectors will get paid by the government during this time because heaven forbid they don't have money flowing into their coffers.

is that bad? I have no love for banks and landlords, but I have to imagine we'd see less illegal self-help evictions being imposed on civilians who can't defend themselves, if these assholes were getting their money from somewhere else. I thought the idea was to increase cash flow?

Otherwise, what's to stop major rent hikes when this ends?

But idk... I'll see what those who are better versed have to say

If you want debt collectors to renounce debt collecting, it makes sense to pay them off for doing so. They are used to skirting along the edges of the law to make their collections already, so compliance was sure to be an issue without this kind of payoff.

Sen. Paul leaves coronavirus hearing and tells cameras: “here’s the other question and this is unprovable. I think New York would have lost the same amount of people whether we did anything or not”

“A lot of what happens with the virus is independent of what government does”

— Burgess Everett (@burgessev) May 12, 2020

In much the same way that I content that Rand Paul would've eventually gotten the shit kicked out of him by his neighbor whether it had been that particular guy or any other human being who happened to be living next to him.

Xpost I just see liberal Twitter exploding angrily about it, and maybe rightfully so, but...

People pausing their mortgage payments are facing huge balloon payments when mortgage payments resume, which for many is just kicking the foreclosure can down the street.

And eviction moratoriums don't absolve the tenants of that rent, just their being removed from the property. As soon as any moratorium was lifted, the landlords can just demand you pay all back rent or evict you.

If this bill WON'T help with that (and from reading it, I'm not sure how much it will), then I'm curious what proposal could help with this issue (seriously asking, not snarking? We know "the goodness of their hearts" is not an option.

Forbearance is not forgiveness - the bill isn’t asking collectors to renounce collecting, it’s paying them off to not do it temporarily.

Which is a handout because they’d just go under when people couldn’t pay their collections anyway.

I know it's not forgiveness, but no debt forgiveness bill for civilians would make it out of committee in the Senate.

I guess my question is, what alternatives are there that will protect consumers from adverse action or financial ruin that McConnell wouldn't immediately use to wipe his ass?

I support continued stimulus payments, but that may not still be enough to stop foreclosure or eviction, particularly for those whose unemployment has been held up for two months.

So there's got to be something else. This bill might not be it!

But right now, there are news reports of multiple landlords in Florida illegally locking citizens out of homes in a way to try to squeeze people into paying or illegally replacing them with someone who can. These tenants can call the cops who will force the landlord to let them back in, but the people impacted don't always know this, or might be rightfully scared to continue living in that home for fear of what other illegal things the landlord can do.

I hate landlords and the real solution is to banish landlords forever to the depths of Hell cos I hate them all, but short of that i want to find some way (if not this way) to leash the fuckers

icymi

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXdU2ypXkAARPfO.jpg

an acquaintance said the bill's pretty good: Aside from the financial stuff, the most striking thing to me is the amount of detail on the public health side. It has tons of detail on various things like invoking the DPA for PPE, funding for testing and contact tracing, requiring the CDC to develop a plan for testing and contact tracing, requiring states to list testing sites, guarding against shortages of medical supplies etc. Some of these thing seem so basic, they have an implicit tone of "You stupid motherfuckers never thought to do any of this shit? Really?" Obviously Congress can't administer anything but it looks like the House is basically trying to take on the role the administration is supposed to be playing.

I know it's not forgiveness, but no debt forgiveness bill for civilians would make it out of committee in the Senate.

Right, which is why forgiveness and consumer interests are an irrelevant lens through which to view this. A bailout of debt collectors is about... bailing out debt collectors. Forbearance is a smokescreen to make it more palatable - but these are debts in collection. People have already had their credit ruined or been sued, not paying now hurts the collections agency much more than it hurts them.

ok, through that lens, this bill looks less rosy to me, so I get more now why the "meh" reaction.

Few bills are.

at what point is congress going to address education funding? my district (berkeley) already had to trim 2 million before all of this happened because the state is so stingy with money despite having had a surplus. Now they're looking at 6 million in cuts, which is frankly, going to be ruinous to the point where I feel like ditching public education for my incoming High Schooler now, which also makes me wonder why I fucking stayed living in this city for this long for the 'good school district'. There needs to be billions, if not trillions, flowing from the federal government to states earmarked for education.

t/s:

Were done playing by the rules.

vs.

Our entire lives, we've spent on buying some properties to feed our families, we don't see a profit leave be most of us are on a loss with the vigorous laws NYS passed last year.

why are you feeding properties to your family?

akm: it's all tied up in this red/blue Congress bullshit right now, where Republicans (half of them, at least) don't want money to flow out to blue states for being "irresponsible", ignoring the fact that that's where the pandemic tended to hit. Of course, bailing out airlines was the priority and not things like education, hospitals, essential services, and so on.

to paraphase Cuomo, just give us our fucking money back, you assholes.

i was reading the bill because i had questions about some of what Neanderthal was saying about the foreclosure forbearances. i did not read about rent payments. but with respect to forbearances it appears that the lender will be required to offer that the missed payments be tacked to the end of the loan, and that they not be reported as delinquencies to credit bureaus.

There will probably never be a COVID-19 vaccine, but it appears that a vaccine against bothsides-ism is being tested in the offices of the Washington Post.

As coronavirus roils the nation, Trump reverts to tactic of accusing foes of felonies

Read the whole thing. It's astonishing, for a "respectable" daily paper.