we’re gonna end up with a six-figure death toll, easily
― Millennials are using this app to speak in just 3 weeks. (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 10 May 2020 18:18 (three years ago) link
I'm not watching but by all accounts this is a vague incomprehensible mess.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 10 May 2020 18:19 (three years ago) link
the two years thing is, as stephen bush says, not even coherent. spain are doing a similar thing with six years which softens it but idk how you'll administer that. sorting out housing benefit seems the more obvious route. as it stands this won't even help landlords as many will be unable to pay, and we may see a lot of these small time 'good landlords' trying to sell and making house prices crash, and ofc even if it doesn't it will make the economy tank further
― The Cognitive Peasant (ogmor), Sunday, 10 May 2020 18:21 (three years ago) link
House prices are going to crash whatever happens.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 10 May 2020 18:22 (three years ago) link
open labour are backing rent cancellation
― The Cognitive Peasant (ogmor), Sunday, 10 May 2020 18:23 (three years ago) link
a q of degree
The government is going to absolutely desperate to get people out spending disposable income before too long and I don't know how that would square with having hundreds of thousands of people whose disposable income is completely swallowed up with rent arrears.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 10 May 2020 18:24 (three years ago) link
reforming housing benefit is extremely overdue and the easiest lever to pull in a crisis
― The Cognitive Peasant (ogmor), Sunday, 10 May 2020 18:24 (three years ago) link
there'll just be widespread bankruptcy if there's no rent cancellation, plus ppl disappearing
― The Cognitive Peasant (ogmor), Sunday, 10 May 2020 18:25 (three years ago) link
Yep, though one of Bush’s objections to the two year thing is that the Labour policy of expanding housing benefit means there shouldn’t really be any arrears to pay back (which idk).
― ShariVari, Sunday, 10 May 2020 18:27 (three years ago) link
Economically I guess the route out of this for the govt will involve gigantic rounds of QE which has the knock-on effect of feeding asset bubbles, including in housing.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 10 May 2020 18:28 (three years ago) link
"ppl just disappearing"Lol once got caught doing a flit by a fairly dangerous landlord. I laugh about it now but it was a very dodgy situation to get through unharmed!
― calzino, Sunday, 10 May 2020 18:32 (three years ago) link
This "I'll be the PM of the whole nation" is going to play v. well for Scot Nats. Especially now England is the last country in Europe with "extremely high" excess deaths.
― stet, Sunday, 10 May 2020 18:35 (three years ago) link
It seems his announcements only really apply to England so he is the Prime Minister of the whole nation of England.
― Frank Bough: I Took Drugs with Vice Girls (Tom D.), Sunday, 10 May 2020 18:39 (three years ago) link
I think that's a ref to Sturgeon's public dissing of "Stay Awake" or whatever it is, and her demand it not be used in Scotland.
― stet, Sunday, 10 May 2020 18:46 (three years ago) link
My interpretation of Boris Johnson this evening: the pandemic of COVID-19 in the UK is much more serious than we have been led to believe. Johnson was unusually serious, fists clenched, no jokes about squashing sombreros.— richard horton (@richardhorton1) May 10, 2020
― stet, Sunday, 10 May 2020 18:49 (three years ago) link
He recorded the message before Sturgeon's "diss"
― Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Sunday, 10 May 2020 18:49 (three years ago) link
Just watched boris hands for 15 mins pic.twitter.com/BZpUiKMyK0— John McGinn (@jmcginn7) May 10, 2020
― Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Sunday, 10 May 2020 18:50 (three years ago) link
I felt like I was in the room and he was talking to me...what a brilliant speech @BorisJohnson well done 👏— Ben Stokes (@benstokes38) May 10, 2020
― gyac, Sunday, 10 May 2020 18:50 (three years ago) link
That corkie must have hit his head hard
― calzino, Sunday, 10 May 2020 18:53 (three years ago) link
Horton is right, I think. In practice all secondary school and most primary school has been cancelled for the academic year. Restaurants aren’t going to reopen for two months. It’s an admission that the U.K. is absolutely nowhere near being ready for the end of lockdown and wouldn’t be out of step with the suggestion in the ST this morning that the real rate of new infections is 18k per day. That’s the context Johnson’s telling people to go back to work in.
― ShariVari, Sunday, 10 May 2020 18:55 (three years ago) link
Poor people, mostly
― Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Sunday, 10 May 2020 19:01 (three years ago) link
Working class people in the likes of construction are going to risk getting this disease and die, whereas people who can work from home can jog more than once a day. Seems fair.
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 10 May 2020 19:02 (three years ago) link
from the comments to horton’s tweet thread
Rightful #VEDay75 focus on #WW2 sacrifices puts #covid_19 UK tragedy in chilling perspective: civilian deaths in 6 years - 60,595; excess deaths in 7 weeks - 55,000 @ChrisGiles_ Photo: Jonathan David Shepherd pic.twitter.com/0kNvBx9QEA— Nigel Taylor (@SilverLotheni) May 8, 2020
― Millennials are using this app to speak in just 3 weeks. (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 10 May 2020 19:04 (three years ago) link
Did anyone here seriously believe that bars and restaurants would be open in July? Does anyone believe it now?
― Matt DC, Sunday, 10 May 2020 19:16 (three years ago) link
people in England will be allowed to sit in parks within their household groups, to drive to beauty spots for walks, and to take unlimited amounts of outdoor exercise. People will be able to meet and sit down with a single other person from another household outdoors as long as they stay two metres apart. this is all already happening
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 10 May 2020 19:20 (three years ago) link
people who cannot work at home will now be “actively encouraged” to get back to work with social distancing where possible, an announcement that prompted trade unions to raise concerns about employee safety.this is beyond fucked up. where’s the enforcement mechanism? let’s just trust the boss to sort it out????
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 10 May 2020 19:22 (three years ago) link
^also already happening tbf
― Microbes oft teem (wins), Sunday, 10 May 2020 19:22 (three years ago) link
shithole country
― calzino, Sunday, 10 May 2020 19:27 (three years ago) link
Law prof says this is a tightening not a relaxation. Wonder if they know that, or are just incompetent beyond all measure.
I’m also confused after Boris’ speech: (1) going to work when you can’t work from home was already the position but now you should avoid public transport: that’s an additional rule not a relaxation; and [Thread] https://t.co/1tFaGOXqwU— Tom Hickman (@TomRHickman) May 10, 2020
― stet, Sunday, 10 May 2020 19:28 (three years ago) link
Gone unlocked to state the following: * Familiaraise yourself with s44 of the Employment Rights Act 1996. * If you do not feel safe to go to work and you are an employee - then do not go. State your reasons in writing and send an email to your manager, cc-ing HR (1/?)— Magic Money Tree 🌳 (@charlottor) May 10, 2020
― gyac, Sunday, 10 May 2020 19:39 (three years ago) link
This is what happened!!!! pic.twitter.com/YcNAZE1TP4— lovelife (@Rashidhussain69) May 10, 2020
― santa clause four (suzy), Sunday, 10 May 2020 19:42 (three years ago) link
That lawyer thread - isn't this a relaxation of rules for outdoor activity and a slight tightening for enclosed spaces? The risk involved in sitting in the park at a safe distance for everyone else feels pretty low.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 10 May 2020 19:47 (three years ago) link
In out in out shake it all about
― Frank Bough: I Took Drugs with Vice Girls (Tom D.), Sunday, 10 May 2020 19:51 (three years ago) link
The public transport guidance is presumably only advice. They aren’t going to stop people using it.
― ShariVari, Sunday, 10 May 2020 19:55 (three years ago) link
Over 100 mosques threaten to boycott Labour over Kashmir https://t.co/QXm5T0yEAm— AssedBaig (@AssedBaig) May 10, 2020
― gyac, Sunday, 10 May 2020 19:58 (three years ago) link
how are people who can’t work from home supposed to go to work if their kids are home?
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 10 May 2020 20:40 (three years ago) link
“Go to work but don’t use public transport.” pic.twitter.com/DIqCrjfpTq— Gwdihŵ 🦉 (@youwouldknow) May 10, 2020
― calzino, Sunday, 10 May 2020 20:41 (three years ago) link
here’s a helpful thread on who is going back to work
On the economic side the news is 1) work from home if you can 2) go to work if not UNLESS 3) your work is closed by terms of the lockdown (non-food shops/restaurants).— Torsten Bell (@TorstenBell) May 10, 2020
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 10 May 2020 20:52 (three years ago) link
Possible the headline writer didn't make the connection. Lol @ everything, including death
I’ve been trying to write and rewrite a response to the Telegraph ripping off the title of Nelson Mandela’s autobiography to cover that incoherent Johnson speech and I just... can’t. pic.twitter.com/rskvp0ZoQ7— Dr Charlotte Lydia Riley (@lottelydia) May 10, 2020
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 10 May 2020 21:58 (three years ago) link
it's like reading the accounts of Hitler expecting relief from Wenck's Wank's 12th army during the fall of Berlin. Delusion supplanting the reality of a situation. The propaganda machine still working but all other functions of government completely gone!
― calzino, Sunday, 10 May 2020 22:11 (three years ago) link
LOL our CEO has had to interrupt his Sunday night to send an email to everyone in the organization to say, in spite of what Boris Johnson has just said, we don't expect anyone to come to work tomorrow. Good work, Bozzer!
― Frank Bough: I Took Drugs with Vice Girls (Tom D.), Sunday, 10 May 2020 22:48 (three years ago) link
These cunts aren't fit to run a tuck shop
― Flaneuring Bevan (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 10 May 2020 22:58 (three years ago) link
If your work involves going into clients homes, the government updated their guidance on 4th May (but didn’t talk about it).The headline is that you can go to work.Glaring omissions:• No advice re. how to obtain own childcare• No advice re. maskshttps://t.co/OnRFXmXNtK pic.twitter.com/OObwborv5Y— CrimeGirl (@CrimeGirI) May 11, 2020
the fucking state of this "open a window" and "social distancing" inside someone's fucking house. I contracted 2009 H1N1 working in houses where you can't avoid common surfaces or often where rooms aren't even big enough for social distancing, and cleaners going into old people's houses - what could possibly go right.
― calzino, Monday, 11 May 2020 08:04 (three years ago) link
What a piece of garbage
Anyone asking why not a general rent waiver please see this thread about the consequences: https://t.co/Zzug7U8WKU— Thangam Debbonaire (@ThangamMP) May 10, 2020
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 11 May 2020 08:13 (three years ago) link
Is it wrong?
― ShariVari, Monday, 11 May 2020 08:24 (three years ago) link
I get that 'the ECHR protects the property rights of landlords' might be a politically and morally lousy situation to be in but if it's factually correct, there's a need to work through the implications of that.
― ShariVari, Monday, 11 May 2020 08:29 (three years ago) link
I am leaning on the politically and morally lousy implications part of your post.
Saw in the mentions ppl talk about their precarious situation. Some of these people have stopped giving a shit about Labour since Starmer came in as LOTO but there they are practically begging this woman to erm, change her tone.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 11 May 2020 08:45 (three years ago) link
the first skim thru gave me the depressing vibe of centrist arguments for the status quo but reading further i can give them the benefit of the doubt. the real problem then is the likes of Debbonaire and Starmzy whose communication to their own side is fucking useless on this, because the argument seems to be "this is the most practical approach to avoiding evictions right now, it's not the shape of post-rona housing policy" and that doesn't come across clearly at all from any shadow cabinet pundit at the moment
― Flaneuring Bevan (Noodle Vague), Monday, 11 May 2020 08:45 (three years ago) link
that's ignoring the fact that it's all hypotheticals because huge Tory majority and i lol told myself yesterday i was just gonna give up on caring about this stuff
― Flaneuring Bevan (Noodle Vague), Monday, 11 May 2020 08:47 (three years ago) link