Bob Dylan - My Rough and Rowdy Ways /2020) Anticipation and Discussion Thread

I didn't mean any ill-will. He has stolen many of his songs, so I'm not surprised to hear this is a rip off of "If Lovin' is Believing" by Billy Emerson. Keep on going, Bob - I like it.

I just heard the news about Little Richard and I’m so grieved. He was my shining star and guiding light back when I was only a little boy. His was the original spirit that moved me to do everything I would do.

— Bob Dylan (@bobdylan) May 9, 2020

((My) “Rough” and “Rowdy”) Ways

Good info, links, commentary (incl. re prev. known instances of BD's "folk process"=the best Tom Moon piece I've ever seen.
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/12/853992774/trickster-treat-bob-dylans-new-song-sounds-awfully-old-and-familiar

You don't have to be coy about any "uh, similarities" to 20th century Americana. The last two decades of Dylan's career are pretty much a cut up of those influences, he's not in any way ashamed of it or trying to hide it.

Oh I know, it's nothing new, but I do get a kick out of hearing the sources when they get identified. I didn't share that in a "gotcha Bobby" way, but rather further listening...

I'd like to hear a collection like the one of Presley's sources, The King's Record Collection, and The Music Never Stopped: Roots of the Grateful Dead. Or has somebody already done this re BD?

https://images.bonanzastatic.com/afu/images/43a0/90b6/b43c_4185934406/IMG_5111.JPG

I know I've seen playlists like that... "the roots of Dylan," or whatever.

the “Artists Choice” comp he did for Starbucks or whatever is really cool

(not the same thing)

https://www.discogs.com/Various-Bob-Dylan-Music-That-Matters-To-Him/release/2927072

That does look good

Bob Dylan's new single, "Murder Most Foul," is 17 minutes long and references more than 70 songs. We made a playlist of them all.
https://www.npr.org/sections/allsongs/2020/03/27/822468820/a-list-of-the-songs-named-in-bob-dylans-murder-most-foul

Lol at Dylan using Cliff's Notes to write his Nobel speech.

Tracklist reveal

Black Rider the T waits track? Hope so

Or just another co-op of a great title, cf Time Out of Mind?

good interview:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/arts/music/bob-dylan-rough-and-rowdy-ways.html

wow, yes that's a characteristically profound latter-day Dylan interview.

Don and Ghost of Glenn!

You honor many great recording artists in your songs. Your mention of Don Henley and Glenn Frey on “Murder Most Foul” came off as a bit of a surprise to me. What Eagles songs do you enjoy the most?

“New Kid in Town,” “Life in the Fast Lane,” “Pretty Maids All in a Row.” That could be one of the best songs ever.

Black Rider the T waits track? Hope so

― calstars, Thursday, June 11, 2020 11:08 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Or just another co-op of a great title, cf Time Out of Mind?

― calstars, Thursday, June 11, 2020 11:09 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Assume both of them are referencing the Burroughs book?

Out of all your compositions, “When I Paint My Masterpiece” has grown on me over the years. What made you bring it back to the forefront of recent concerts?

It’s grown on me as well. I think this song has something to do with the classical world, something that’s out of reach. Someplace you’d like to be beyond your experience. Something that is so supreme and first rate that you could never come back down from the mountain. That you’ve achieved the unthinkable. That’s what the song tries to say, and you’d have to put it in that context. In saying that though, even if you do paint your masterpiece, what will you do then? Well, obviously you have to paint another masterpiece. So it could become some kind of never ending cycle, a trap of some kind. The song doesn’t say that though.

love this

also love that he attended his own jukebox musical as an "anonymous spectator, not as someone who had anything to do with it" which is the most dylan-y thing i've ever heard

/Black Rider the T waits track? Hope so

― calstars, Thursday, June 11, 2020 11:08 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Or just another co-op of a great title, cf Time Out of Mind?

― calstars, Thursday, June 11, 2020 11:09 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink/

Assume both of them are referencing the Burroughs book?

This sort of confirms my read of "When I Paint My Masterpiece" as something like Bob's version of the Japanese concept where you constantly strive through repetition for a perfection you will never reach with the added irony/false modesty that Bob's had himself a fair number of near-masterpieces over the years. Keep on keepin' on as zen mastery.

it's a very Ozu-like conception of art.

The Black Rider was a collaboration — Waits, Burroughs, and Robert Wilson. Details here.

Yeah...wondering about time out though

has bob covered “what a wonderful world”? seems like something he’d do these days. not that I’d want him too.

yeah don't give him ideas. We know he reads the Eagle thread.

I like his comments on technology / the changing world, and young people.

Not sure if this was already discussed, but alleged credits have been posted on the H0ffman F0rums (bold emphasis mine):

Bob Dylan - vocals, guitar
Charlie Sexton - guitar
Bob Britt - guitar
Donnie Herron - steel guitar, violin, accordion
Tony Garnier - bass
Matt Chamberlain - drums

Additional musicians:
Blake Mills
Benmont Tench
Alan Pasqua
Fiona Apple
Tommy Rhodes

Enginereed and mixed by Chris Shaw
Assistant engineer - Joseph Lorge
Mastering - Greg Calbi

All songs written by Bob Dylan

no piano or keyboards?

That surprised me too.

You mean no piano or keyboards from Bob? Well, I guess if you have Benmont and Fiona or Alan Pasqua ...

A lot of those session cats (Chamberlain, Mills, Tench) travel in similar Largo circles.

Apple and Mills are having a hell of a year huh

well there's piano on "murder most foul", just whoever played it wasn't part of the core band presumably

Just realized Garnier's been with Dylan for 31 years...or, more than half of Dylan's career.

Bob Britt was killing it when I saw him in the fall as was Matt Chamberlain.

so hyped that chamberlain is on the record

I saw Charlie Sexton play with Dylan 20 years ago! Great guitarist.

That early 2000s band with Larry Campbell and Charlie Sexton on guitar was the best.

Love & Theft was the best

i'm so hyped for this record!!!!

yeah, me too. bob fuckin dylan!

is this not being released on vinyl?

and if not, because of that Apollo plant fire? I want this record!

it's on vinyl, double album

hrm I looked at Bull Moose and then Amazon and don't see it

https://bobdylanstore.com/products/rough-and-rowdy-ways-2lp-digital-album

shrewd move bobby

Yeah, that's one of the great NET shows, for both quality of the show and the fact that it's available as a top-grade board recording. I'm guessing the mediafire link is the same boot I got some years ago? IIRC EC wrote about it too in his memoir.

Thanks for the Tramps 1999 memories, Tracer. I really wanted to see that show and just couldn't do it - I took the bar a day or two before and couldn't swing it. That Visions is something special.

weirdly my calenders app has just reminded me that my friend jeremiah’s birthday is tomorrow. :(

thx for sharing the memories - i love these incredibly vivid recollections of attending concerts. I can remember the brand of coffee I had and with whom before a gig 25 years ago, while most of the last decade seems lost to the mist of time.

Great show in DC last night. Stage banter update: he brought up the Mayflower Hotel and mentioned J. Edgar Hoover used to eat lunch there every day. Then he name-dropped Country Joe of all people, who was born here.

yes, amazing show! black rider was surprisingly one of the highlights for me

"Well, the fish tail ponds and the orchid trees
They can give you that bleeding heart disease"

feeling this line from key west. reminds me of driving around the south and just being stunned by the natural beauty. gives me that bleeding heart disease. i think of his later years in the romantic poet lineage where nature stands in for deep emotion

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Oops

More tour -

Bob Dylan and His Band present the Rough and Rowdy Ways tour this fall in North America!

See https://t.co/IlnO4bIndr for October dates, which go on sale this Friday, August 25.

More dates will be posted soon.

Don’t you dare miss it! pic.twitter.com/cCZOtoUxh4

— Bob Dylan (@bobdylan) August 21, 2023

Wow Bob's better at twitter than I thought

I was wondering about this, namely, is this his first big ticket sale since the nu Ticketmaster dynamic pricing kicked in in earnest? We all know Dylan can't possibly gaf, so I wonder what prices will be like.

Not sure about the other venues announced, but the last one on the docket so far, Proctor's Theater in Schenectady, NY is a pretty sweet out-of-left-field choice. Only seats a couple thousand, beautiful place, and in my experience their bread and butter is touring Broadway shows with film screenings to fill dates between. Anyway here's the pricing for that one. Honestly not insane in the current climate, though lol at the fact that having a physical ticket as a memento has become a premium perk:

FRONT ROW PACKAGE – $533.50
One (1) Front Row reserved ticket
Commemorative ticket
Merchandise item designed and created exclusively for package purchasers
Collectible laminate to remember your evening

GOLD HOT SEAT PACKAGE – $433.50
One (1) premium Price Level 1 reserved ticket
Commemorative ticket
Merchandise item designed and created exclusively for package purchasers
Collectible laminate to remember your evening

SILVER HOT SEAT PACKAGE – $263.50
One (1) Price Level 2 reserved ticket
Commemorative ticket
Merchandise item designed and created exclusively for package purchasers
Collectible laminate to remember your evening

Price Level A Seating – $133.50
Price Level B Seating – $83.50
Lia Seating – $63.50