love* in the time of plague (and by love* i mean brexit* and other dreary matters of uk politics)

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what

the

fuck

exterminate all the brutes

Flaneuring Bevan (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 9 May 2020 08:56 (three years ago) link

meanwhile

All travellers coming to Britain will be quarantined for a fortnight in an effort to avoid a second peak of the coronavirus pandemic, Boris Johnson will announce tomorrow.

The prime minister will say in an address to the nation that passengers arriving at airports and ports, including Britons returning from abroad, will have to self-isolate for 14 days.
Under the measures, which are likely to come into force in early June, travellers will have to provide the address at which they will self-isolate on arrival.

The authorities will conduct spot checks and those found to be breaking the rules face fines of up to £1,000 or even being deported. However, the aviation and holiday industry has warned that the move could be catastrophic for business. It is likely to end any lingering hopes that Britons could take their summer holidays abroad this year.


just a thought, but maybe doing this weeks and weeks ago like other, less shithole island nations did, might have prevented a first peak let alone a second

yes timing-wise this seems like a weird flex

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 9 May 2020 09:09 (three years ago) link

maybe a bit of misdirection while he lets flash mobs of union jack draped cunts run amok round carphone warehouse

Flaneuring Bevan (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 9 May 2020 09:10 (three years ago) link

give an address and be ready for a "spot check", ie "oh please don't go out"

boxedjoy, Saturday, 9 May 2020 09:10 (three years ago) link

Amazed UK hadn't already done this, and even so it's weak piss. In Sydney where I am, travellers are taken to hotels in the city centre and unable to leave for 14 days

Zelda Zonk, Saturday, 9 May 2020 09:14 (three years ago) link

yeah but they did that before the rona

Flaneuring Bevan (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 9 May 2020 09:15 (three years ago) link

TBH I'm amazed there's anyone other than repatriated Brits entering the country at all right now. Then again I saw two planes going over within about ten minutes of one another yesterday and that felt like the most in weeks.

Matt DC, Saturday, 9 May 2020 09:17 (three years ago) link

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/08/lockdown-boris-johnson?CMP

Meanwhile I concur with the Tory MP who thinks we're completely fucked. Although maybe not for the reason he does.

Matt DC, Saturday, 9 May 2020 09:25 (three years ago) link

of course Katy Balls gets a Graun column, why wouldn't you?

Flaneuring Bevan (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 9 May 2020 09:27 (three years ago) link

Travel quarantine is two months too late, the community spread was well out of hand by then. They going to do anything about care homes or...?

gyac, Saturday, 9 May 2020 09:39 (three years ago) link

TBH I do think it's useful to have a columnist who Tory MPs will talk to in a less guarded way. The Graun is absolutely awash with political hacks whose contacts books are 10-15 years out of date.

Matt DC, Saturday, 9 May 2020 09:40 (three years ago) link

Re starting to quarantine being announced as part of the “exit roadmap” or whatever, I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of ppl were assuming we were already doing this so it could be quite a bombshell - & the govt’s line appears to be “nothing we did could possibly have made any difference”. Really feels like if they only received any kind of pushback at all, ever...

Microbes oft teem (wins), Saturday, 9 May 2020 09:42 (three years ago) link

How weird is it that VE Day celebrations in the middle of a global pandemic have brought out the worst Brit fucknuts imaginable? Not weird at all, is the answer.

zoom séance goes tits up (Matt #2), Saturday, 9 May 2020 09:43 (three years ago) link

TBH I'm amazed there's anyone other than repatriated Brits entering the country at all right now. Then again I saw two planes going over within about ten minutes of one another yesterday and that felt like the most in weeks.

RyanAir's Lisbon - Stansted route has flown every day since this all began, and for more or less unchanged prices. Lisbon - Manchester route has been out of action since mid/late March though

cherry blossom, Saturday, 9 May 2020 09:44 (three years ago) link

all these ridiculous #VEDay street parties: you people are exhausting. there is a deadly & highly infectious virus, spreading in an uncontrolled fashion throughout the population. this isn’t even close to being over. get inside, & wash your hands. 🙄🦠pic.twitter.com/qA0qclagJV

— Dr Adrian Harrop (@AdrianHarrop) May 9, 2020

insane how irresponsible this was

gyac, Saturday, 9 May 2020 09:44 (three years ago) link

look can we just take off and nuke the country from orbit?

Flaneuring Bevan (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 9 May 2020 09:46 (three years ago) link

We’ll peak again

Microbes oft teem (wins), Saturday, 9 May 2020 09:46 (three years ago) link

I'm not really expecting anything beyond the tiniest relaxation of the rules on Sunday tbh - the front pages of the last few days feel like leaks intended to pressure the government by whipping up public opinion or sowing confusion.

Matt DC, Saturday, 9 May 2020 09:47 (three years ago) link

https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/scraping-along-the-bottom-april-air-traffic-statistics/

Commerical flights down 73% year on year. Huge drop but thats still a lot of flights

cherry blossom, Saturday, 9 May 2020 09:48 (three years ago) link

My folks were repatriated from NZ 2 weeks ago. No hand gel or masks on the flight; no masks at the airport and nothing beyond 'stay inside for 2 weeks, yeah?' as messaging. Incredible.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Saturday, 9 May 2020 09:51 (three years ago) link

No temperature checks either apparently

Microbes oft teem (wins), Saturday, 9 May 2020 09:53 (three years ago) link

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104036/novel-coronavirus-weekly-flights-change-airlines-region/

Actually this tells slightly a more specific story, UK flights down 92% since january, China flights down 32%, Japan down 47%

cherry blossom, Saturday, 9 May 2020 09:53 (three years ago) link

We’ll peak again

― Microbes oft teem (wins), Saturday, May 9, 2020 10:46 AM (twelve minutes ago)

Wins wins.

Dan Worsley, Saturday, 9 May 2020 10:00 (three years ago) link

Are there any countries that have managed to get the rent / mortgage issue right?

ShariVari, Saturday, 9 May 2020 10:26 (three years ago) link

Don't know but this is a very good tweet on this hit policy.

One thought about Labour’s renters policy: it looks like and could easily be an Ed Balls-era policy. But it’s arguably even more timid because the context isn’t 2011’s neoliberal hegemony; its 2020, even the Tories are using the state to pay 80% of people’s wages, its wide open

— Jon Stone (@joncstone) May 9, 2020

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 9 May 2020 10:46 (three years ago) link

*shit, real disaster.

It's like Labour are asking where will the renters go.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 9 May 2020 10:48 (three years ago) link

It’s a bad policy but I’m still looking for someone on the Labour left to propose a good one. I haven’t seen much about, for example, removing housing benefit caps.

ShariVari, Saturday, 9 May 2020 10:48 (three years ago) link

Are there any countries that have managed to get the rent / mortgage issue right?

I'll quote myself from my own little red book: "when dealing with seemingly intractable problems caused by parasitic class enemies, it often better to use the blunt force of a lump hammer rather than the delicate touch of a surgeon's knife"

calzino, Saturday, 9 May 2020 10:57 (three years ago) link

" I haven’t seen much about, for example, removing housing benefit caps."

there will be plenty of knowledgeable ppl on housing problems out there with good ideas, but they aren't the Labour Party leader.

calzino, Saturday, 9 May 2020 10:59 (three years ago) link

This is more like it, from a group that spends most of its time fighting Labour councils.

Good summary of the evictions crisis that we face in June if the government does not commit to proper help for renters. We need:
increase housing benefit
scrap the benefit cap
scrap section 21 & ground 8
end 5 week wait for Universal Credit
council homeshttps://t.co/NH0lWxreDh

— HASL (@HousingActionSL) May 8, 2020

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 9 May 2020 11:15 (three years ago) link

Yes, that’s very good.

ShariVari, Saturday, 9 May 2020 11:16 (three years ago) link

Reckon parts of that would be lab left policy, but they don't make policy in the Labour party.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 9 May 2020 11:17 (three years ago) link

I suppose it depends on what you think a policy like this is actually for, given it has no chance of realistically being enacted. Is it purely an exercise in brand positioning? In which case they are absolutely asking where the renters will go.

Is the aim to float a policy that the Tories might conceivably adopt, allowing Labour to claim victory? This is probably at the very edge of what the government can realistically be pressured into (although who even knows now).

It's a bad policy but one that would benefit renters in the short term while screwing them in the longer term unless it's attached to some serious proposals around debt relief or rent controls. Housing benefit is a flawed system as well because it inflates private rents but it's a useful tool in this particular situation - and also one that the Tories are highly unlikely to adopt.

At it stands it's an entirely vanilla policy that no one will even remember in a few years time, difficult to see it having any positive effect on anyone, including the Labour Party itself.

Matt DC, Saturday, 9 May 2020 11:21 (three years ago) link

Most but not all of those proposals are touched upon in the Thangam Debonnaire Twitter thread here, which isn't as bad as I feared it would be. The part I take issue with is:

"For many this will be a small arrears and they will be back in work soon. For others it will be harder - hence asking govt to consider LHA increase" - we don't actually know that it will be a small arrears for most, we don't know when jobs will return, we don't know how deep or how biting or how prolonged the recession is likely to be.

Matt DC, Saturday, 9 May 2020 11:35 (three years ago) link

also Kier Milburn makes the point that Landlords will more likely bank these arrears whereas tenants will help stimulate economic growth by the novelty of actually having some fucking money to spend. Such a welfare state for the rich policy from mr forensic is fucking disgraceful, whether Labour policy is largely powerless right now or not it still sucks shit and it is totally depressing.

calzino, Saturday, 9 May 2020 11:48 (three years ago) link

Tribune proposing the cancellation of all rent without default government compensation, no means testing and for an unspecified period of time:

https://tribunemag.co.uk/2020/05/cancel-the-rent

This is why only a cancellation of rent will do. Not a deferral or a suspension, but a total wipe of any due rent and associated debts. Huge corporate landlords can afford to take a hit and for those who can’t, they should ask the government for assistance. Means testing has a long history of unfairly targeting the working-class

ShariVari, Saturday, 9 May 2020 12:01 (three years ago) link

What is wrong with humans? https://t.co/xZdLmRFah5

— FILMGRABBER (@filmgrabber) May 9, 2020



This is even more reckless than the bridge clapping but apparently if you throw some bunting on it the bbc will inaccurately report it as “following the coronavirus rules”

Microbes oft teem (wins), Saturday, 9 May 2020 12:02 (three years ago) link

was lolling at the human centipede comment attached to that one earlier

calzino, Saturday, 9 May 2020 12:05 (three years ago) link

the rope's marked at 2m intervals so everyone is the government-mandated "safe" distance apart.

no accounting for taste though.

there's bunting down the other end of my street, i noticed this morning but i'm not sure there was a party as such because i was inside spending a sunny bank-holiday filing my mp3s.

koogs, Saturday, 9 May 2020 12:10 (three years ago) link

Not very safe when you're conga-ing into the viral load blasted out by the person in front of you! This is why I hate going out on a windy day atm, it's like that dumbfuck film The Happening where everyone runs away from a light breeze in blind panic. Who knew how prescient that scene would become?

zoom séance goes tits up (Matt #2), Saturday, 9 May 2020 12:16 (three years ago) link

The rope is also... a rope. And the rule isn’t “large unnecessary gatherings are fine as long as you are 2m apart”

Microbes oft teem (wins), Saturday, 9 May 2020 12:16 (three years ago) link

TBH I'm amazed there's anyone other than repatriated Brits entering the country at all right now.

Friend of mine fled to Portugal when this started (irresponsible imo but she wanted to be with her family, can't judge); spent two weeks in total quarantine, and is now trying to get back into the UK because she was in the middle of getting citizenship and believes, quite justifiably, that the HO is unlikely to make allowances for a small matter such as an epidemic. She's had her flight cancelled six times so far tho.

Daniel_Rf, Saturday, 9 May 2020 12:23 (three years ago) link

Like 2m is what you do faute de mieux when you have to be around other people. That doesn’t mean it’s safe xp to me

Microbes oft teem (wins), Saturday, 9 May 2020 12:24 (three years ago) link

The part I take issue with is:

"For many this will be a small arrears and they will be back in work soon. For others it will be harder - hence asking govt to consider LHA increase" - we don't actually know that it will be a small arrears for most, we don't know when jobs will return, we don't know how deep or how biting or how prolonged the recession is likely to be.

― Matt DC, Saturday, 9 May 2020 bookmarkflaglink

I mean this absolutely is the issue. It shows a total lack of awareness on how precarious a lot of renting actually is. This vanilla policy will need to be strengthened because Labour will have to oppose this before the next election. If they care about people that voted for them in the last election, that is.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 9 May 2020 12:25 (three years ago) link

(xp) But it was necessary to celebrate all those survivors of WW2 the Nazis didn't kill that the Tories are currently doing their best to get rid of.

Frank Bough: I Took Drugs with Vice Girls (Tom D.), Saturday, 9 May 2020 12:25 (three years ago) link

Tory Jonestown pic.twitter.com/2AH3ARdQ0z

— ACAB Rees-Mogg (@jelly_pack) May 9, 2020

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 9 May 2020 12:26 (three years ago) link

yeah, i'm not saying all those people aren't going to die.

the rules are ridiculous and thinking you're safe because you're paying lip service to those rules boggles my mind.

i've just been out the flat for the first time in a week. very few people out there but some of those that were were obviously not taking it as seriously, walking about like nothing was happening, builders in a huddle, blocking a pavement with a ladder.

there were conversations in the street last night at 4am as well. i can't think of a reason to be out at 4am that isn't also contravening the lockdown rules.

flytipping too, people are still dumping matresses and broken office chairs at the end of the road.

koogs, Saturday, 9 May 2020 12:28 (three years ago) link


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