although going with Standard Deviation punishes albums with tons of votes, and rewards albums with lower vote totals.
Good point. We should go with the normalized standard deviation (standard deviation / mean).
― o. nate, Saturday, 9 May 2020 02:13 (three years ago) link
i was thinking about that too! (actually i was thinking of mean / standard deviation, but same deal). ok, so let's recalculate:
https://i.imgur.com/ZB49dwG.png
Murmur still the most consistent, but Astral Weeks isn't far behind.
― let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Saturday, 9 May 2020 04:37 (three years ago) link
would a poll that looked like this:
song 1 - 5song 2 - 5song 3- 5song 4 - 5song 5 -5 song 6 - 5song 7 - 5song 8 - 5song 9 - 5song 10 - 5
have a STDEV/MEAN of 0 ?
― budo jeru, Saturday, 9 May 2020 04:42 (three years ago) link
This one still cracks me up: in praise of Runt:The Ballad of Todd Rundgren poll
― "...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 9 May 2020 04:46 (three years ago) link
xpost to budo - yep!
the mean would be 5, the st Dev would be 0, the stdev/mean would be 0
― let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Saturday, 9 May 2020 05:05 (three years ago) link
ok, who's got a new consistent album, my spreadsheet is in tipsy friday mode
― let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Saturday, 9 May 2020 05:06 (three years ago) link
Runt would be a very good candidate, if it had at least 20 votes
but as we all know, the initial variables have been set into place, are respected and will be respected, and must never change
― let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Saturday, 9 May 2020 05:07 (three years ago) link
added a few more. there's a new champion. *ducks*
https://i.imgur.com/OxOVRnb.png
― let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Saturday, 9 May 2020 05:19 (three years ago) link
this thing is a fucking mess. feel free to take it from here (anyone can edit it): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1w9Z6NWQ_ePBTNqzEsDbvY1n-w1qVory8EjA19vUUDxo/edit?usp=sharing
― let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Saturday, 9 May 2020 05:43 (three years ago) link
the stone roses seems to just beat rem by my calculations.
― visiting, Saturday, 9 May 2020 06:06 (three years ago) link
Can someone link to the Stone Roses poll? I can't find that one
― enochroot, Saturday, 9 May 2020 13:08 (three years ago) link
The Stone Roses (S/T)
― Kim Kimberly, Saturday, 9 May 2020 13:37 (three years ago) link
lol @ that Runt poll
― sleeve, Saturday, 9 May 2020 13:38 (three years ago) link
I don't think I voted in that poll because the track I would voted for has no votes.
― Frank Bough: I Took Drugs with Vice Girls (Tom D.), Saturday, 9 May 2020 13:41 (three years ago) link
OK Computer still has the edge:https://i.imgur.com/n5Yx9C2.png
― enochroot, Saturday, 9 May 2020 16:18 (three years ago) link
houses of the holy is 0.524
― visiting, Saturday, 9 May 2020 18:53 (three years ago) link
and the bends is 0.529
― visiting, Saturday, 9 May 2020 18:57 (three years ago) link
Updated leader board... needed to add a 3rd decimal place to the results since it's shaping up to be a tight race.https://i.imgur.com/6crPPbX.png
― enochroot, Saturday, 9 May 2020 19:41 (three years ago) link
dummy is another good one... 0.516
― visiting, Saturday, 9 May 2020 20:05 (three years ago) link
isn't anything comes close... 0.453
― visiting, Saturday, 9 May 2020 20:16 (three years ago) link
So far best I've been able to find is Illmatic with 0.567
― o. nate, Sunday, 10 May 2020 01:45 (three years ago) link
Great topic. But it’s Standing On *A* Beach, dammit.
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Sunday, 10 May 2020 02:02 (three years ago) link
Updated Leader Boardhttps://i.imgur.com/2QzOeij.png
(I couldn't find this MBV Isn't Anything poll)
― enochroot, Monday, 11 May 2020 02:53 (three years ago) link
Best Song on "Isn't Anything"
― visiting, Monday, 11 May 2020 03:33 (three years ago) link
my math on "houses of the holy" got me to somewhere around .49 but i closed the tab accidentally
― budo jeru, Monday, 11 May 2020 03:35 (three years ago) link
ok so can we use this thread to predict which album *would* get the most even distribution if it was polled? cuz my money's on Neu! '75
― frogbs, Monday, 11 May 2020 03:47 (three years ago) link
i don't think 20 people would vote in that poll
― budo jeru, Monday, 11 May 2020 04:08 (three years ago) link
18, 3 each
― frogbs, Monday, 11 May 2020 04:09 (three years ago) link
you could call it Leb' POLL: best song on Neu! '75
― budo jeru, Monday, 11 May 2020 04:10 (three years ago) link
excellent thread idea, top-notch execution, kudos all around
― alpine static, Monday, 11 May 2020 04:26 (three years ago) link
OK Computer a controversial leader as KM is clearly using the second of its button polls rather than the og
― imago, Monday, 11 May 2020 08:55 (three years ago) link
Music For Airports. Or Metal Machine Music.
― Matt DC, Monday, 11 May 2020 11:04 (three years ago) link
those both don't qualify per OP
― budo jeru, Monday, 11 May 2020 13:48 (three years ago) link
Byrds, Younger than Yesterday, probably not as even as those Radiohead ones but seems like a nice-looking spread:Say there's a limit there, we can't POLL past that - The Byrds, Younger Than Yesterday
― Valentijn, Monday, 11 May 2020 14:50 (three years ago) link
Although it's more a case of half of the songs getting 0-3 votes and the other half 5-10 votes so I guess it's not that even at all.
― Valentijn, Monday, 11 May 2020 14:51 (three years ago) link
Byrds score a .737, which puts them in 20th place on the leaderboard.
― enochroot, Monday, 11 May 2020 14:52 (three years ago) link
Soundgarden - Superunknown? NB, I am too dumb to do the math.
― Pissed Jeans Genie C. Riley (PBKR), Monday, 11 May 2020 14:57 (three years ago) link
Astral Weeks = .516 if I am calculating correctly.
― Pissed Jeans Genie C. Riley (PBKR), Monday, 11 May 2020 16:40 (three years ago) link
Oh, duh, it's already on there.
― Pissed Jeans Genie C. Riley (PBKR), Monday, 11 May 2020 17:53 (three years ago) link
― Valentijn, Monday, 11 May 2020 18:10 (three years ago) link
Oh wait this one might be really good:Best Track On Tim Buckley - Goodbye And Hello
0.245 !
― budo jeru, Monday, 11 May 2020 18:17 (three years ago) link
I entered the Tim Buckley poll results in the Google doc and it gives me 0.351. (Still beats Radiohead.)
― Valentijn, Monday, 11 May 2020 18:22 (three years ago) link
wait, the google doc does the math for you ???????
lol
― budo jeru, Monday, 11 May 2020 18:23 (three years ago) link
oh i see what i did wrong nvm
― budo jeru, Monday, 11 May 2020 18:29 (three years ago) link
starsailor is consistent too... 0.574
― visiting, Monday, 11 May 2020 18:36 (three years ago) link
Just as I was getting ready to call this race for OK Computer, Tim Buckley pulls into a seemingly insurmountable lead...https://i.imgur.com/IWCB0YN.png
"Goodbye And Hello" just might be the most consistent album of all time. The data does not lie.
― enochroot, Monday, 11 May 2020 19:14 (three years ago) link
In Utero seems to be 0.417
― Kim Kimberly, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 05:40 (three years ago) link
ok so can we use this thread to predict which album *would* get the most even distribution if it was polled?
I was wondering about Scott Walker's Scott 4. Couldn't find a poll for it yet, may set it up myself later.
― Valentijn, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 06:33 (three years ago) link
Good idea but Boychild” or “The Old Man’s Back Again” would be miles ahead of the rest.
― Dan Worsley, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 07:56 (three years ago) link
Could be but I'm not too sure about that. Those two wouldn't be the songs I would go for myself (was thinking of three others) and I was somehow more thinking of 'Seventh Seal' & 'Angels of Ashes' to be massive favourites.There's one 'rank the songs on Scott 4' thread out there and I got the impression that there are big differences in people's lists.
I'm curious. I'll set it up sometime soon, we'll see.
― Valentijn, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 10:48 (three years ago) link
I thought this one should work but it's 0.706Best track on The Specials debut LP
Best track on Mastodon Crack the Skye should be 0.598
Best track on Portishead Dummy is 0.492
Barely misses the podium
― Nabozo, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 10:52 (three years ago) link
It's an interesting topic. So many albums have obvious standout tracks or a couple of tracks which don't stand out at all.The results are somewhat skewed as Buckley got far less votes in total than Radiohead, but Hello & Goodbye IS an album where, indeed, I would say that all songs on it are consistently good.
When I started on this thread I instantly thought of No Other by Gene Clark myself: one where I would have lots of trouble deciding on a favourite. It's been polled though (Gene Clark - No Other Poll) and it's not that even at all. And I can understand that as, while I'm surprised nobody went for 'Silver Raven', I don't expect 'The True One' to be anyone's favourite (it's certainly not bad but it's unremarkable compared to the rest).
I'm wondering about vote distribution on In The Court Of The Crimson King as well, although that album wouldn't count in this thread (5 songs only).
― Valentijn, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 10:55 (three years ago) link
Scott 4 is 0.479
― visiting, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 00:25 (three years ago) link
That puts it in 6th place, your hunch was pretty good one.(i have to confess that I voted in that Scott 4 poll for the song which seemed least popular, just to try to help smooth out the distribution... but "Angels of Ashes" ended up in the middle of the pack, so my vote didn't actually help)
https://i.imgur.com/n9dj6Bu.png
― enochroot, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 00:43 (three years ago) link
I was thinking about albums where there’s no clear standout and wondered how “Moondance” would do. Though I suspect would be weighted towards side one.
― Dan Worsley, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 07:04 (three years ago) link
Seems PIL Metal box hasn't been polled!
― Mark G, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 07:13 (three years ago) link
Scott scored well indeed - I had wondered beforehand if he might have had the power to dethrone Tim but I guess not enough people could get behind Get Behind Me for that. 6th place certainly isn't bad!
― Valentijn, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 07:34 (three years ago) link
Moondance or Veedon Fleece might be good ones, yeah
Metal Box not so much, side 4 would get creamed
― sleeve, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 14:08 (three years ago) link
*cough* I mean disc 3 for the UK folks
― sleeve, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 14:09 (three years ago) link
METAL POLLsecond edition
― Kim Kimberly, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 14:17 (three years ago) link
see?
― sleeve, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 14:19 (three years ago) link
Blood on the Tracks just misses top 20 - nets out at 0.647
― that's not my post, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 15:18 (three years ago) link
^that's from the 2013 poll. It was less consistent (0.848) according to the 2007 poll.
― that's not my post, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 15:23 (three years ago) link
The Man Machine might be interesting, seems it has never been polled.
― the grateful dead can dance (anagram), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 14:27 (three years ago) link
good call, six tracks, all solid
― sleeve, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 14:47 (three years ago) link
OK, I made one. I look forward to adding it to this list in a month's time.
She's a POLL And She's Looking Good: Kraftwerk, The Man-Machine
― the grateful dead can dance (anagram), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 15:15 (three years ago) link
idk who's voting for Metropolis or Spacelab though
― frogbs, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 15:17 (three years ago) link
Those are both great it's "The Model" I can't be bothered with tbh.
― Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 15:18 (three years ago) link
I voted for Spacelab!
― sleeve, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 15:20 (three years ago) link
well then I stand corrected
still think it's gonna be Robots & Neon Lights way up top and the rest down below
― frogbs, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 15:23 (three years ago) link
"Robots" is the other one I don't like so much, the title track and "Neon Lights" are my favourites.
― Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 15:27 (three years ago) link
As a maths teacher I have found the way this thread has used averages and SD fascinating and plan to use these ideas in my work...thanks, especially to Karl for going down the mathematical rabbit hole.
― yugi ex, Tuesday, 26 May 2020 09:50 (three years ago) link