Bob Dylan - My Rough and Rowdy Ways /2020) Anticipation and Discussion Thread

This man has been putting out music for 58 years now

The last couple leaked tracks last 58 years.

lmaooo

Bob Dylan's new guitarist on his first day of recording. pic.twitter.com/t04gggRSIY

— Jeremy Woodcock (@jwPencilAndPad) May 7, 2020

just when i thought 2020 couldn't get any worse

Maybe James Morrison helps him by forwarding him some bad book cover art slapped on public domain works and such. Oh wait.

― My Chess Hustler (James Redd and the Blecchs)

bad covers of public domain works v. much dylan's wheelhouse

Ha, of course.

Still think he should have called it 'Send Nudes'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RApqHyhQAZg&feature=emb_title

Not sure why that didn't work, but supposed to be a link to a video of "If Lovin' is Believing" by Billy "The Kid" Emerson from 1954. I've seen it passed around elsewhere for it's, uh, similarities to Bob's new song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6cbb0WAoTw

[This man has been putting out music for 58 years now

― Heez, Friday, May 8, 2020 8:50 AM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

The last couple leaked tracks last 58 years.

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn)

belated lols

You don't have to be coy about any "uh, similarities" to 20th century Americana. The last two decades of Dylan's career are pretty much a cut up of those influences, he's not in any way ashamed of it or trying to hide it.

That reads much more aggressively than I meant it, sorry.

Dylan has been stealing other people's songs for sixty years now.

I mean, there's like 3 blues riffs the genre is built around slight variations on formulas and other songs

I didn't mean any ill-will. He has stolen many of his songs, so I'm not surprised to hear this is a rip off of "If Lovin' is Believing" by Billy Emerson. Keep on going, Bob - I like it.

I just heard the news about Little Richard and I’m so grieved. He was my shining star and guiding light back when I was only a little boy. His was the original spirit that moved me to do everything I would do.

— Bob Dylan (@bobdylan) May 9, 2020

((My) “Rough” and “Rowdy”) Ways

Good info, links, commentary (incl. re prev. known instances of BD's "folk process"=the best Tom Moon piece I've ever seen.
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/12/853992774/trickster-treat-bob-dylans-new-song-sounds-awfully-old-and-familiar

You don't have to be coy about any "uh, similarities" to 20th century Americana. The last two decades of Dylan's career are pretty much a cut up of those influences, he's not in any way ashamed of it or trying to hide it.

Oh I know, it's nothing new, but I do get a kick out of hearing the sources when they get identified. I didn't share that in a "gotcha Bobby" way, but rather further listening...

I'd like to hear a collection like the one of Presley's sources, The King's Record Collection, and The Music Never Stopped: Roots of the Grateful Dead. Or has somebody already done this re BD?

https://images.bonanzastatic.com/afu/images/43a0/90b6/b43c_4185934406/IMG_5111.JPG

I know I've seen playlists like that... "the roots of Dylan," or whatever.

the “Artists Choice” comp he did for Starbucks or whatever is really cool

(not the same thing)

https://www.discogs.com/Various-Bob-Dylan-Music-That-Matters-To-Him/release/2927072

That does look good

Bob Dylan's new single, "Murder Most Foul," is 17 minutes long and references more than 70 songs. We made a playlist of them all.
https://www.npr.org/sections/allsongs/2020/03/27/822468820/a-list-of-the-songs-named-in-bob-dylans-murder-most-foul

Lol at Dylan using Cliff's Notes to write his Nobel speech.

Tracklist reveal

Black Rider the T waits track? Hope so

Or just another co-op of a great title, cf Time Out of Mind?

good interview:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/arts/music/bob-dylan-rough-and-rowdy-ways.html

wow, yes that's a characteristically profound latter-day Dylan interview.

Don and Ghost of Glenn!

You honor many great recording artists in your songs. Your mention of Don Henley and Glenn Frey on “Murder Most Foul” came off as a bit of a surprise to me. What Eagles songs do you enjoy the most?

“New Kid in Town,” “Life in the Fast Lane,” “Pretty Maids All in a Row.” That could be one of the best songs ever.

Black Rider the T waits track? Hope so

― calstars, Thursday, June 11, 2020 11:08 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Or just another co-op of a great title, cf Time Out of Mind?

― calstars, Thursday, June 11, 2020 11:09 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Assume both of them are referencing the Burroughs book?

Out of all your compositions, “When I Paint My Masterpiece” has grown on me over the years. What made you bring it back to the forefront of recent concerts?

It’s grown on me as well. I think this song has something to do with the classical world, something that’s out of reach. Someplace you’d like to be beyond your experience. Something that is so supreme and first rate that you could never come back down from the mountain. That you’ve achieved the unthinkable. That’s what the song tries to say, and you’d have to put it in that context. In saying that though, even if you do paint your masterpiece, what will you do then? Well, obviously you have to paint another masterpiece. So it could become some kind of never ending cycle, a trap of some kind. The song doesn’t say that though.

love this

also love that he attended his own jukebox musical as an "anonymous spectator, not as someone who had anything to do with it" which is the most dylan-y thing i've ever heard

/Black Rider the T waits track? Hope so

― calstars, Thursday, June 11, 2020 11:08 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Or just another co-op of a great title, cf Time Out of Mind?

― calstars, Thursday, June 11, 2020 11:09 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink/

Assume both of them are referencing the Burroughs book?

This sort of confirms my read of "When I Paint My Masterpiece" as something like Bob's version of the Japanese concept where you constantly strive through repetition for a perfection you will never reach with the added irony/false modesty that Bob's had himself a fair number of near-masterpieces over the years. Keep on keepin' on as zen mastery.

it's a very Ozu-like conception of art.

The Black Rider was a collaboration — Waits, Burroughs, and Robert Wilson. Details here.

Yeah...wondering about time out though

has bob covered “what a wonderful world”? seems like something he’d do these days. not that I’d want him too.

yeah don't give him ideas. We know he reads the Eagle thread.

I like his comments on technology / the changing world, and young people.

Not sure if this was already discussed, but alleged credits have been posted on the H0ffman F0rums (bold emphasis mine):

Bob Dylan - vocals, guitar
Charlie Sexton - guitar
Bob Britt - guitar
Donnie Herron - steel guitar, violin, accordion
Tony Garnier - bass
Matt Chamberlain - drums

Additional musicians:
Blake Mills
Benmont Tench
Alan Pasqua
Fiona Apple
Tommy Rhodes

Enginereed and mixed by Chris Shaw
Assistant engineer - Joseph Lorge
Mastering - Greg Calbi

All songs written by Bob Dylan

no piano or keyboards?

That surprised me too.

You mean no piano or keyboards from Bob? Well, I guess if you have Benmont and Fiona or Alan Pasqua ...

A lot of those session cats (Chamberlain, Mills, Tench) travel in similar Largo circles.

Apple and Mills are having a hell of a year huh

hahaha

It me.

Just came back from the closing Beacon show. Great show, the new stuff was marvelous, and as mentioned upthread, Dylan had the lyric sheets out on the piano. I think he really wanted to get the new material across because I can't remember the last time he's enunciated this well - like, virtually every word was clear and discernible. "Key West" was the high point, "Gotta Serve Somebody" and "Every Grain of Sand" were the highlights of the older material, and once again, Dylan was cracking jokes at the audience. Not just at the end like last time, someone yelled out "rock and roll!" at one point and Dylan actually responded, the first time I've ever seen him interact with the audience (which he obviously did ages ago, but that was a different time). Paraphrasing, but he joked "you're at the wrong show, you must be looking for Springsteen on Broadway!"

BTW, they really weren't fucking around with the no-cameras and no-phones policy - four people (three men, one woman) within the back orchestra alone (behind the mixing desk) were thrown out for using their phones, all in separate incidents. Also, as mentioned upthread, at best 1/3 of the audience was masked.

someone yelled out "rock and roll!"

the tape of the show makes it sound like they yelled out "pretty boy floyd" just prior to his springsteen on broadway comment.

this all sounds very much like the show i saw in mankato, mn right before covid, wonder if it was one of the last shows actually? but yeah, he's singing better and seems more committed than he has in years

the tape of the show makes it sound like they yelled out "pretty boy floyd" just prior to his springsteen on broadway comment.

Awesome, recording's already out there! I couldn't hear honestly, the shouting was too distant from us, but another fan we ran into afterwards thought it was "Born to Run" and my gf believed it was "rock n' roll" - she might have misheard as I don't think she knows "Pretty Boy Floyd" (the song or the infamous bank robber) and wouldn't interpret what she heard in that way.

Also, just sunk in that he didn't play "Like a Rolling Stone," "Highway 61 Revisited" OR "Tangled Up in Blue." He typically plays at least one or two of those (and I want to say most of the NET recordings I have has him doing all three). "Highway 61 Revisited" is almost always a concert highlight throughout his career, but the show was so good, I can't say they were missed.

"Tombstone Blues"! That's what I'd call for.

I'd be relieved if I didn't have to hear those songs again.

"Tombstone Blues" though? Anytime.

A few songs have changed during the tour, but the Beacon shows all had the same exact setlist (see below)...not sure if he's going to stick with this from here on out, but as I mentioned in another thread, a big reason I think his last few tours (pre-pandemic) were a major improvement is that he kept the same exact setlist for that particular year. The band always knew what song was next, so they were able to attack each number with great precision and complete confidence. With Dylan clearly using lyric sheets this time around (probably because it's heavy on new material, and the songs on the new album are typically long), the same principal applies - he knows exactly what to sing next and he can focus more on phrasing than trying to remember.

1. Watching The River Flow
2. Most Likely You Go Your Way (and I'll Go Mine)
3. I Contain Multitudes
4. False Prophet
5. When I Paint My Masterpiece
6. Black Rider
7. I'll Be Your Baby Tonight
8. My Own Version of You
9. Early Roman Kings
10. To Be Alone With You
11. Key West (Philosopher Pirate)
12. Gotta Serve Somebody
13. I've Made Up My Mind To Give Myself To You
14. Melancholy Mood
15. Mother of Muses
16. Goodbye Jimmy Reed
-- Band introductions
17. Every Grain of Sand

I never get tired of "Tangled Up in Blue" and especially "Highway 61 Revisited" - he does them differently all the time and in the case of the latter, he has a much higher success ratio with changing the arrangement than any other song. Great at Isle of Wight in 1969, with the Band in 1974, at Evanston in 2000, etc., etc...."Like a Rolling Stone " is typically the same though. It was the highlight of his shows from 1966 to 1974, but with the NET it's rarely been more than a nice sing-a-long (at least at the NET shows I've heard).

i've probably said this here before but i got to see dylan at tramp's in NYC in about 1998 or so, one of the best concerts i've seen in my life, elvis costello came up for a duet of "i shall be released" as an encore, dylan played lead guitar several times, like actually shredding downstage, it was unreal. anyway i was standing near the sound guy and i saw the setlist in front of him, printed out on a piece of paper, and they probably did.. a quarter of the songs that were written down? at most? but absolutely nailed everything anyway.

wow okay somebody recorded it. that's crazy. i just found it! it was actually 1999. i forgot how rowdy the crowd was. speaking of rough and rowdy. it was a secret show and basically i think everybody just couldn't fucking believe they were there. here's a few songs from it. dylan goes absolutely off on visions of johanna. pleading.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzYlz2kXCFc

there's a mediafire link there that still works. it's really it. just incredible. particularly intense for me me listening to this now more than 20 years later because the guy who phoned me up out of the blue the day-of to ask "if i wanted to go see bob dylan at tramp's" is dead now, hit in a head-on collision out of the blue with his new wife, just driving down the road.

sorry i didn't mean he collided with his wife! they were both in the car and he was killed instantly. i had lost touch with him over the years. he was such a generous, kind, creative person. a brilliant set designer and actor. i had just gotten a haircut the day of the gig, i don't know why i remember that. i felt great. really put together. me and jeremiah showed up early. talked for a long time before the show started.

you never know what you're going to get. my parents saw dylan and willie nelson play in knoxville, maybe a dozen years ago, at bill meyer stadium downtown. apparently willie was great but dylan was practically incomprehensible, barely singing, seemingly adrift in his mind.

wow, the mediafire link is wild. if anybody misses it, let me know. very comprehensive notes.

"15 new songs (78%) compared to previous concert." lol

Yeah, that's one of the great NET shows, for both quality of the show and the fact that it's available as a top-grade board recording. I'm guessing the mediafire link is the same boot I got some years ago? IIRC EC wrote about it too in his memoir.

Thanks for the Tramps 1999 memories, Tracer. I really wanted to see that show and just couldn't do it - I took the bar a day or two before and couldn't swing it. That Visions is something special.

weirdly my calenders app has just reminded me that my friend jeremiah’s birthday is tomorrow. :(

thx for sharing the memories - i love these incredibly vivid recollections of attending concerts. I can remember the brand of coffee I had and with whom before a gig 25 years ago, while most of the last decade seems lost to the mist of time.

Great show in DC last night. Stage banter update: he brought up the Mayflower Hotel and mentioned J. Edgar Hoover used to eat lunch there every day. Then he name-dropped Country Joe of all people, who was born here.

yes, amazing show! black rider was surprisingly one of the highlights for me

"Well, the fish tail ponds and the orchid trees
They can give you that bleeding heart disease"

feeling this line from key west. reminds me of driving around the south and just being stunned by the natural beauty. gives me that bleeding heart disease. i think of his later years in the romantic poet lineage where nature stands in for deep emotion

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Oops

More tour -

Bob Dylan and His Band present the Rough and Rowdy Ways tour this fall in North America!

See https://t.co/IlnO4bIndr for October dates, which go on sale this Friday, August 25.

More dates will be posted soon.

Don’t you dare miss it! pic.twitter.com/cCZOtoUxh4

— Bob Dylan (@bobdylan) August 21, 2023

Wow Bob's better at twitter than I thought

I was wondering about this, namely, is this his first big ticket sale since the nu Ticketmaster dynamic pricing kicked in in earnest? We all know Dylan can't possibly gaf, so I wonder what prices will be like.

Not sure about the other venues announced, but the last one on the docket so far, Proctor's Theater in Schenectady, NY is a pretty sweet out-of-left-field choice. Only seats a couple thousand, beautiful place, and in my experience their bread and butter is touring Broadway shows with film screenings to fill dates between. Anyway here's the pricing for that one. Honestly not insane in the current climate, though lol at the fact that having a physical ticket as a memento has become a premium perk:

FRONT ROW PACKAGE – $533.50
One (1) Front Row reserved ticket
Commemorative ticket
Merchandise item designed and created exclusively for package purchasers
Collectible laminate to remember your evening

GOLD HOT SEAT PACKAGE – $433.50
One (1) premium Price Level 1 reserved ticket
Commemorative ticket
Merchandise item designed and created exclusively for package purchasers
Collectible laminate to remember your evening

SILVER HOT SEAT PACKAGE – $263.50
One (1) Price Level 2 reserved ticket
Commemorative ticket
Merchandise item designed and created exclusively for package purchasers
Collectible laminate to remember your evening

Price Level A Seating – $133.50
Price Level B Seating – $83.50
Lia Seating – $63.50