Based on the stuff I already know this is between Stimmen...Verstummen and Kafka Fragments, but there is stuff here I have needed to catch up on n for a long time, such as Grisey
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 7 May 2020 02:37 (three years ago) link
It's between Schnittke's 4th Quartet, Grisey's Les espaces acoustiques and Gubaidulina's Symphony for me, probably the latter.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 7 May 2020 12:21 (three years ago) link
schnittke's cello concerto is, as musicologists put it, 'bloody bonkers m8'
― The Cognitive Peasant (ogmor), Thursday, 7 May 2020 12:39 (three years ago) link
i had not heard the gubaidulina symphony until sometime last year and it is so stunning
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 7 May 2020 12:46 (three years ago) link
It’s absolutely fabulous, especially when its dedicatee, Natalia Gutman, is playing the cello part.Fun fact (maybe): Pärt’s Stabat Mater and Schnittke‘s String Trio were both written to mark the 50th anniversary of Alban Berg’s passing.xp
― pomenitul, Thursday, 7 May 2020 12:50 (three years ago) link
Voted Galina 4
― we have no stan but to choice (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 7 May 2020 12:51 (three years ago) link
All this SchnittkeSo much ignored Adams
Grisey “L’espaces” is a lot of bullshit but it’s highs are the highest
― we have no stan but to choice (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 7 May 2020 12:56 (three years ago) link
lol fgti bringing the anti-spectralist bantz. It goes without saying that these lists are all quite subjective and leave out pieces that would be deemed utterly essential by others. I also have a rather obvious Eurocentric bias.
As for the Gubaidulina, one my greatest regrets as an occasional concert goer is that I'll likely never get to see it performed live. And see is key here, as the piece features a dance-like cadenza that is meant to be played in silence by the conductor, with their bare hands.
Beside Gennady Rozhdestvenskys's, there's a great recording by the late Reinbert de Leeuw on a difficult-to-find Schoenberg/ASKO Ensemble boxset.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 7 May 2020 12:59 (three years ago) link
Oh and before I forget, do let me know which Adès titles you’d like to see in the coming decades, fgti.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 7 May 2020 13:16 (three years ago) link
Noooo I adore Grisey! It's just a LOT OF MUSIC. And I'm by no means an Adès expert I'm just over-familiar with certain of his works ("The Tempest" and the violin concerto)
― we have no stan but to choice (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 7 May 2020 13:33 (three years ago) link
Noted!
― pomenitul, Thursday, 7 May 2020 13:50 (three years ago) link
dream window might finally be my takemitsu vote
― sleight return (voodoo chili), Thursday, 7 May 2020 18:00 (three years ago) link
It’s a good ‘un.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 7 May 2020 18:07 (three years ago) link
Halfway through Lutoslawski's piano concerto and I impulse voted for it. I just didn't want to vote for Feldman twice in a row for the same trick, good as the trick was.
― Revolutionary Girl Utrenja (Tom Violence), Thursday, 7 May 2020 19:24 (three years ago) link
A couple of other really great works from that time:
Chris Dench - sulle scale della Fenice (flute) Toru Takemitsu - RikyuAnd James Dillon started going with his Nine Rivers cycle.
Voting for Etudes Transcendentals though I love Kurtag, Holliger, Nono, Radulescu. I thought For Philip Guston was from this period but it was written in '84.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 May 2020 20:12 (three years ago) link
My favourite, most obscure composer of that era is Klaus K Hubler
https://youtu.be/z1TAk9PUKaQ
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 May 2020 20:22 (three years ago) link
Dillon is great and I enjoy what little I’ve heard of Dench’s music as performed by the Elision Ensemble. I’m aware that Barrett (whom I greatly admire) draws upon Hübler’s music as regards instrumental technique, but I haven’t really explored his output yet. Thanks for the reminder.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 7 May 2020 21:39 (three years ago) link
I didn't know Hubler had died :-(
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 May 2020 22:12 (three years ago) link
A lot I haven't heard. Like the Ligeti etudes, Electric Counterpoint, and For Bunita Marcus. The Grisey might be greater than all? I should do more listening. The revival of the Branca-metal thread reminded me that he was left totally out of the 80s polls but I am OK with it. Good to branch out to more heady Euro music.
― Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Friday, 8 May 2020 17:40 (three years ago) link
Yeah I feel bad for not including Branca but I’ve always viewed him as sui generis and oddly out of step (in a good way) with most of the names we’ve seen so far in this series.
― pomenitul, Friday, 8 May 2020 18:01 (three years ago) link
Fuck me, I forgot Schnittke's Psalms of Repentance.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 01:29 (three years ago) link
I like how this series is prompting me to dig out physical disks I that I didn't always get much mileage out of early on. I heard and dug that Murail and most of those Ferneyhough as a result of last weeks listening. Saariaho is next. I have an Ondine box which, for whatever reason, I don't remember much about. More listener error, no doubt...
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 02:23 (three years ago) link
No, wait, I guess I preempted the Ferneyhough somehow. Freaky.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 02:27 (three years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 00:01 (three years ago) link
“These are not the Feldmans you are looking for”.
Went with Grisey in the end.
― Jeff W, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 11:17 (three years ago) link
I don't know enough of these to vote, just the Pärt tracks, Nono, and Berio
― sleeve, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 20:16 (three years ago) link
Doesn't matter, you should vote anyway.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 20:17 (three years ago) link
voted for the piece i would most like to get around to listening to for the first time
― budo jeru, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 20:22 (three years ago) link
That's the spirit!
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 20:24 (three years ago) link
Went with Gubaidulina's sole Symphony in the end.
voted for electric counterpoint bc it was the first reich I heard, I've absolutely rinsed it over the years, and it's been such a wildly influential/crossover track
― The Cognitive Peasant (ogmor), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 23:38 (three years ago) link
remember this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aIxE6b4hLw
― The Cognitive Peasant (ogmor), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 23:39 (three years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Thursday, 14 May 2020 00:01 (three years ago) link
ok that Reich is seriously the most insipid thing in his catalog and I am actively pissed about this result
― Milton Parker, Thursday, 14 May 2020 01:55 (three years ago) link
Brand recognition rules supreme. It's not my favourite Reich either.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 14 May 2020 01:58 (three years ago) link
pretty interesting result spread otherwise though
/<3
― Milton Parker, Thursday, 14 May 2020 02:01 (three years ago) link
A shame Kurtág got nothing, though – this is his strongest half-decade.
Anyway, I'd like to bump virtual fists with whoever voted for Gubaidulina's 2nd Quartet.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 14 May 2020 02:03 (three years ago) link
Onwards:
Wherein We Elect Our Favourite Classical Compositions of… the 1990s – Part I (1990-1994)
― pomenitul, Thursday, 14 May 2020 02:17 (three years ago) link
Unfortunately, I didn't get around to doing any new listening for this one, and didn't know most of the options. I voted for For Bunita Marcus since I saw a magical performance of it at the Music Gallery in Toronto 16 or so years ago. I do like Electric Counterpoint a lot, both by Metheny and by Greenwood, but I had already voted for his best piece in the late 70s poll and didn't feel like this was enough of a stylistic departure to give another vote to? A Youtube commenter made a comparison to Discipline-era King Crimson, which I can see.
― Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Thursday, 14 May 2020 02:22 (three years ago) link
Oh haha, crap, I somehow missed that Sequenza XI was the guitar sequenza, which I had thought was from the 90s. That piece is spectacular, earth-shattering, etc. (and yeah, def ranks above EC). Shift one vote to that one.:(
― Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Thursday, 14 May 2020 02:24 (three years ago) link
Haha, I started a thread about it 18 years ago; you'd think I'd remember: Luciano Berio - Sequenza XI (for guitar) (perf Eliot Fisk)
― Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Thursday, 14 May 2020 02:25 (three years ago) link
I should've specified the instrumentation for each Sequenza, although in some cases several versions exist.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 14 May 2020 02:38 (three years ago) link
I was the other vote for verstummen
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 14 May 2020 02:44 (three years ago) link
*tacit high five, which soon becomes a meticulously choreographed mystical hand dance*
― pomenitul, Thursday, 14 May 2020 02:46 (three years ago) link
Ah! I tried to start some desperate last-hours listening in last night, but got a) impatient by how everything I tried seemed to start with soft, slow openings, taking too much time to get going*, and b) soon distracted by other matter that came up, so that I forgot to vote after all. The combination of which means you might possibly consider there to be a phantom "1" after Ustvolskaya's 6th sonata.
*) not really too much time obv, just too much compared to what time I felt I had
― anatol_merklich, Thursday, 14 May 2020 06:26 (three years ago) link
I was the only schnittke voter, his popularity & reputation has dropped massively in the last few decades it seems, shame imo
― What's (Left), Thursday, 14 May 2020 12:49 (three years ago) link
what's wrong with being insipid?
― The Cognitive Peasant (ogmor), Thursday, 14 May 2020 12:54 (three years ago) link
Schnittke remains top-tier imo. I considered voting for the 4th SQ, one of his most under-appreciated works. The final movement in particular is a spectrogram of pure pain and it still guts me every time, even though I've heard it enough times to know that it provides solace in extremis only to steal it away from the listener.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 14 May 2020 12:55 (three years ago) link