Wherein We Elect Our Favourite Classical Compositions of… the 1980s – Part II (1985-1989)

Before anyone asks: I neither dislike John Adams nor care for his earlier stuff. He'll show up soon.

ha, glad you said something :)

It's pretty crazy that it was less than 3 years between "Electric Counterpoint" & "Little Fluffy Clouds".

Based on the stuff I already know this is between Stimmen...Verstummen and Kafka Fragments, but there is stuff here I have needed to catch up on n for a long time, such as Grisey

It's between Schnittke's 4th Quartet, Grisey's Les espaces acoustiques and Gubaidulina's Symphony for me, probably the latter.

schnittke's cello concerto is, as musicologists put it, 'bloody bonkers m8'

i had not heard the gubaidulina symphony until sometime last year and it is so stunning

It’s absolutely fabulous, especially when its dedicatee, Natalia Gutman, is playing the cello part.

Fun fact (maybe): Pärt’s Stabat Mater and Schnittke‘s String Trio were both written to mark the 50th anniversary of Alban Berg’s passing.

xp

Voted Galina 4

All this Schnittke
So much ignored Adams

Grisey “L’espaces” is a lot of bullshit but it’s highs are the highest

lol fgti bringing the anti-spectralist bantz. It goes without saying that these lists are all quite subjective and leave out pieces that would be deemed utterly essential by others. I also have a rather obvious Eurocentric bias.

As for the Gubaidulina, one my greatest regrets as an occasional concert goer is that I'll likely never get to see it performed live. And see is key here, as the piece features a dance-like cadenza that is meant to be played in silence by the conductor, with their bare hands.

Beside Gennady Rozhdestvenskys's, there's a great recording by the late Reinbert de Leeuw on a difficult-to-find Schoenberg/ASKO Ensemble boxset.

Oh and before I forget, do let me know which Adès titles you’d like to see in the coming decades, fgti.

Noooo I adore Grisey! It's just a LOT OF MUSIC. And I'm by no means an Adès expert I'm just over-familiar with certain of his works ("The Tempest" and the violin concerto)

Noted!

dream window might finally be my takemitsu vote

It’s a good ‘un.

Halfway through Lutoslawski's piano concerto and I impulse voted for it. I just didn't want to vote for Feldman twice in a row for the same trick, good as the trick was.

A couple of other really great works from that time:

Chris Dench - sulle scale della Fenice (flute)
Toru Takemitsu - Rikyu
And James Dillon started going with his Nine Rivers cycle.

Voting for Etudes Transcendentals though I love Kurtag, Holliger, Nono, Radulescu. I thought For Philip Guston was from this period but it was written in '84.

My favourite, most obscure composer of that era is Klaus K Hubler

https://youtu.be/z1TAk9PUKaQ

Dillon is great and I enjoy what little I’ve heard of Dench’s music as performed by the Elision Ensemble. I’m aware that Barrett (whom I greatly admire) draws upon Hübler’s music as regards instrumental technique, but I haven’t really explored his output yet. Thanks for the reminder.

I didn't know Hubler had died :-(

A lot I haven't heard. Like the Ligeti etudes, Electric Counterpoint, and For Bunita Marcus. The Grisey might be greater than all? I should do more listening. The revival of the Branca-metal thread reminded me that he was left totally out of the 80s polls but I am OK with it. Good to branch out to more heady Euro music.

Yeah I feel bad for not including Branca but I’ve always viewed him as sui generis and oddly out of step (in a good way) with most of the names we’ve seen so far in this series.

Fuck me, I forgot Schnittke's Psalms of Repentance.

I like how this series is prompting me to dig out physical disks I that I didn't always get much mileage out of early on. I heard and dug that Murail and most of those Ferneyhough as a result of last weeks listening. Saariaho is next. I have an Ondine box which, for whatever reason, I don't remember much about. More listener error, no doubt...

No, wait, I guess I preempted the Ferneyhough somehow. Freaky.

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

“These are not the Feldmans you are looking for”.

Went with Grisey in the end.

I don't know enough of these to vote, just the Pärt tracks, Nono, and Berio

Doesn't matter, you should vote anyway.

voted for the piece i would most like to get around to listening to for the first time

That's the spirit!

Went with Gubaidulina's sole Symphony in the end.

voted for electric counterpoint bc it was the first reich I heard, I've absolutely rinsed it over the years, and it's been such a wildly influential/crossover track

remember this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aIxE6b4hLw

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

ok that Reich is seriously the most insipid thing in his catalog and I am actively pissed about this result

Brand recognition rules supreme. It's not my favourite Reich either.

pretty interesting result spread otherwise though

/<3

A shame Kurtág got nothing, though – this is his strongest half-decade.

Anyway, I'd like to bump virtual fists with whoever voted for Gubaidulina's 2nd Quartet.

Onwards:

Wherein We Elect Our Favourite Classical Compositions of… the 1990s – Part I (1990-1994)

Unfortunately, I didn't get around to doing any new listening for this one, and didn't know most of the options. I voted for For Bunita Marcus since I saw a magical performance of it at the Music Gallery in Toronto 16 or so years ago. I do like Electric Counterpoint a lot, both by Metheny and by Greenwood, but I had already voted for his best piece in the late 70s poll and didn't feel like this was enough of a stylistic departure to give another vote to? A Youtube commenter made a comparison to Discipline-era King Crimson, which I can see.

Oh haha, crap, I somehow missed that Sequenza XI was the guitar sequenza, which I had thought was from the 90s. That piece is spectacular, earth-shattering, etc. (and yeah, def ranks above EC). Shift one vote to that one.:(

Haha, I started a thread about it 18 years ago; you'd think I'd remember: Luciano Berio - Sequenza XI (for guitar) (perf Eliot Fisk)

I should've specified the instrumentation for each Sequenza, although in some cases several versions exist.

I was the other vote for verstummen

*tacit high five, which soon becomes a meticulously choreographed mystical hand dance*

Ah! I tried to start some desperate last-hours listening in last night, but got a) impatient by how everything I tried seemed to start with soft, slow openings, taking too much time to get going*, and b) soon distracted by other matter that came up, so that I forgot to vote after all. The combination of which means you might possibly consider there to be a phantom "1" after Ustvolskaya's 6th sonata.

*) not really too much time obv, just too much compared to what time I felt I had

I was the only schnittke voter, his popularity & reputation has dropped massively in the last few decades it seems, shame imo

what's wrong with being insipid?

Schnittke remains top-tier imo. I considered voting for the 4th SQ, one of his most under-appreciated works. The final movement in particular is a spectrogram of pure pain and it still guts me every time, even though I've heard it enough times to know that it provides solace in extremis only to steal it away from the listener.