Star Trek: Classic or Dud?

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Not according to Harlan Ellison

the fucking cunts treat us like Styx (Matt #2), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 12:13 (four months ago) link

are they going to wrap around to the beginning?

koogs, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 12:58 (four months ago) link

(oh, that's only the end of TOS series 1, i thought it was the end of the whole thing)

koogs, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 13:41 (four months ago) link

>Considered to be possibly the best episode of the original series.

pretty intense. Edith Keeler aka Joan Collins death came unexpected.
Bones accusing Kirk was even more disturbing ..."YOU killed her!"

meisenfek, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 16:56 (four months ago) link

Did you notice Floyd’s Barber Shop in the background?

My Chess Hustler (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 16:57 (four months ago) link

what's up with the star trek tos technique where just someone's eyes (usually kirk's) are lit, in a band, while the rest of the face/body is in relative darkness? was that sort of thing common?

mookieproof, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 17:01 (four months ago) link

FLOYD RULES. Actually I don't know what Floyd’s Barber Shop is... or was.

Angry Question Time Man's Flute Club Band (Tom D.), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 17:02 (four months ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/QoyJH2E.jpg

mookieproof, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 17:03 (four months ago) link

In Trek? absolutely! I recently watched ST: Nemesis and they did it even then on a closeup of Troi.

justice 4 CCR (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 17:03 (four months ago) link

And, of course, the introductory soft focus for attractive female guest star/ Kirk's latest squeeze.

Angry Question Time Man's Flute Club Band (Tom D.), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 17:04 (four months ago) link

Another thing I've noticed is the sheer amount of make up everyone wears - especially McCoy!

Angry Question Time Man's Flute Club Band (Tom D.), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 17:05 (four months ago) link

So they had this great German cinematographer Karl Freund who worked for Desilu on I Love Lucy who figured out how to shoot a sitcom along with this guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Daniels?wprov=sfti1 who also directed many, many episodes of another Desilu production, Star Trek.

My Chess Hustler (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 17:12 (four months ago) link

FLOYD RULES. Actually I don't know what Floyd’s Barber Shop is... or was.

Popular place to go on The Andy Griffith Show.

My Chess Hustler (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 17:13 (four months ago) link

We never got that over here.

Angry Question Time Man's Flute Club Band (Tom D.), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 17:18 (four months ago) link

It’s kind of a US version of The Sweeney except...

My Chess Hustler (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 17:21 (four months ago) link

I was bored and unwell and put the animated series on Netflix yesterday and watched an episode called The Jihad. It was the most baffling 20 minutes of cartoon show I think Ive ever watched.

- An alien shaped like a badly taxidermied cat gathers Kirk, Spock and a ragtag team of other aliens (ft: some wormulon dude, an amazonian with big tits, a lizard and a winged eagle thing)
- they are meant to be going to some "mad planet" to locate a holy relic bcs if they dont, the people of said planet will start a jihad bcs its stolen and will kill everyone for some reason
- oh and btw this planets atmos goes from 200Kelvin below to 200 above freezing and is covered in volcanoes and earthquakes but NBD
- nekminnit they are all on the surface just hanging out in this volcanic minus kelvin weather with NO PROTECTVE GEAR, amazon lady barely has anything on, no one is cold/hot/bothered in any way.
- amazon lady comments on how men are dumb but hey Kirk yr kinda hot wanna make out? She does this multiple times during the episode
- oh no a lava flow is heading our way, and we cant outrun it! Quick lets spend 10 minutes reconfiguring the energymotron or whatever to make our escape! Oh no its still going to outrun us. Never mind one of the crew can FLY and could have I dunno, picked them all up in his talons or something?
- they find the thingy theyre looking for but oh no its a trap! Eagle dude always does this
- by this point I gave up and I lost track of WTH was going on to be quite honest.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 06:03 (four months ago) link

yesteryear is the only tas episode worth watching. maybe the clip of the holodeck too.

wasdnous (abanana), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 08:36 (four months ago) link

i had never seen the one before where kirk gives a dramatic reading of the constitution to a band of white mongol (?) liberty-worshippers

j., Wednesday, 6 May 2020 08:51 (four months ago) link

That one is kind of bad, despite that classic moment.

yesteryear is the only tas episode worth watching. maybe the clip of the holodeck too.

Oh yeah, had to look it up but remember that one from the original run. Some people like TAS because of all the name screenwriters but I dunno.

My Chess Hustler (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 17:32 (four months ago) link

I like it because the episodes are shorter

umsworth (emsworth), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 21:07 (four months ago) link

Series two has started. Obviously took them a while to get Chekov's wig right, he looks ridiculous in the these early episodes.

Frank Bough: I Took Drugs with Vice Girls (Tom D.), Friday, 8 May 2020 09:06 (four months ago) link

There are some classics in the early part of Season 2.

Pissed Jeans Genie C. Riley (PBKR), Friday, 8 May 2020 11:37 (four months ago) link

Didn't Roddenberry go missing towards the end of season 2?

My Chess Hustler (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 8 May 2020 12:04 (four months ago) link

the gene l. coon era was the best -- he started doing the script-editing/showrunning when Miri was being filmed, stayed on until around halfway through season 2. he amped up the kirk/spock/mccoy dynamic and made the show more lighthearted.

wasdnous (abanana), Friday, 8 May 2020 12:19 (four months ago) link

Sounds about right.

My Chess Hustler (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 8 May 2020 12:22 (four months ago) link

that dynamic = "Earth people have moved beyond racism but Vulcans are fair game"

Flaneuring Bevan (Noodle Vague), Friday, 8 May 2020 12:23 (four months ago) link

Roddenberry stepped back a bit after Miri in season 1, giving the main line producer/showrunner job to Coon. then later he pretty much abandoned the show when nbc gave season 3 a bad slot.

wasdnous (abanana), Friday, 8 May 2020 12:27 (four months ago) link

(xp) That reminds me, Kirk called Scotty a "stiff necked thistle head" at one point in today's episode.

Frank Bough: I Took Drugs with Vice Girls (Tom D.), Friday, 8 May 2020 12:34 (four months ago) link

Scotty was acting like a complete arse though, all gooey-eyed and lovestruck over this week's female guest star.

Frank Bough: I Took Drugs with Vice Girls (Tom D.), Friday, 8 May 2020 12:35 (four months ago) link

i saw the last 15 minutes of Apollo getting murdered

do they repeat the evening show the following morning or is it the same episode twice a day

Flaneuring Bevan (Noodle Vague), Friday, 8 May 2020 12:48 (four months ago) link

I believe it's a repeat of the evening show.

Frank Bough: I Took Drugs with Vice Girls (Tom D.), Friday, 8 May 2020 13:52 (four months ago) link

Looking forward to the discussion once "The Gamesters of Triskelion" rolls around. Lowest of TOS for me, though "Cheeee-koooof" busts me up.

Thanks to more evening time at home, watched seasons 1-3 on blu for the first time. Enjoyed the new effects quite a bit. Noticed all sorts of things my younger self missed, thanks to the rapid watching. McCoy offsets his country doctor persona with a lot more harsh criticism than I remembered, and Kirk is sharper with Spock at times than needs be. The Federation bureaucracy exists pretty much to set arbitrary deadlines, hector, and not enforce the Prime Directive. Lots of disconnects between talk and walk - racism as mentioned above re: Vulcans, sexism is alive and well, money isn't the motivating force except when it is, etc.

But much great progressive stuff as well for its time - anti-war scripts galore, class warfare (The Cloud Minders), racism (Let That Be Your Last Battlefield might be too obvious, but it sure highlights the issue's stupidity), the bridge melting pot, Pike's Number 1 being Majel Barrett, etc. Overall, my nostalgia came out justified.

Next up, the animated series. Have seen only bits of one, so it's like a new season.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Friday, 8 May 2020 13:53 (four months ago) link

The guy who played Apollo was very good... and still alive at 91!

Frank Bough: I Took Drugs with Vice Girls (Tom D.), Friday, 8 May 2020 13:54 (four months ago) link

pretty sure i watched all of TAS as a kid, and have never seen it since

Flaneuring Bevan (Noodle Vague), Friday, 8 May 2020 13:54 (four months ago) link

yeah Apollo was good and moving even if he was obv a bit of a douche

Flaneuring Bevan (Noodle Vague), Friday, 8 May 2020 13:55 (four months ago) link

That guy was some kind of Next Charlton Heston or something.

My Chess Hustler (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 8 May 2020 14:01 (four months ago) link

Directed by Marc Daniels and co-written by Gene L. Coon, so all our favorites involved in that one.

My Chess Hustler (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 8 May 2020 14:05 (four months ago) link

Watching Mrs. Redd watch TNG and Seymour Cassel just showed up as a guest star of some sort.

My Chess Hustler (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 9 May 2020 00:36 (four months ago) link

Some kind of benign Charlie X episode, it seems.

My Chess Hustler (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 9 May 2020 00:41 (four months ago) link

Also, sorry if I’m late to the game, but what’s with Counselor Troi’s accent?

My Chess Hustler (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 9 May 2020 00:44 (four months ago) link

I don't think she changed her natural voice...

Nhex, Saturday, 9 May 2020 00:53 (four months ago) link

Also, why doesn't Worf's name start with a 'K'?

My Chess Hustler (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 9 May 2020 00:56 (four months ago) link

I just looked up the thing about Troi. She claims her speech was based on an Israeli friend, however her parents are Greek, which is what her character sounds like, and she grew up in London and actually has a Cockney accent.

My Chess Hustler (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 9 May 2020 01:02 (four months ago) link

it is a silent k

kworf

j., Saturday, 9 May 2020 01:21 (four months ago) link

Not so much cockney as Tottenham, which is where Marina Sirtis grew up I think, sorry 'fink'.

zoom séance goes tits up (Matt #2), Saturday, 9 May 2020 08:46 (four months ago) link

watched some interviews. dang, i honestly didn't notice until now. though i guess her Troi voice does sound.. vaguely Gal Godot-ish

Nhex, Saturday, 9 May 2020 08:53 (four months ago) link

I always assumed she was trying to do some kind of variation of her parents' Greek accent, didn't know it was supposed to be Israeli.

Tuomas, Monday, 11 May 2020 12:12 (four months ago) link

Classic episode on right now, as some radiation, or somethin', turns Kirk, McCoy, Scotty and even Spock into doddery crotchety old geezers shuffling about forgetting what they just said.

https://i0.wp.com/www.tor.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/st-deadly25.jpg

Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Friday, 22 May 2020 09:24 (four months ago) link

Part of the aging process being McCoy's accent getting more and more Southern.

Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Friday, 22 May 2020 09:28 (four months ago) link


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