quiddities and agonies of the ruling class - a rolling new york times thread

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oops. wrong thread.

Nhex, Saturday, 2 May 2020 18:13 (three years ago) link

maybe not

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 2 May 2020 18:33 (three years ago) link

so uh how is the sound deadening in new buildings like this? A baby grand ain't quiet.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Sunday, 3 May 2020 03:13 (three years ago) link

professional children

forensic plumber (harbl), Sunday, 3 May 2020 03:18 (three years ago) link

refers to being minnesotan twice in one article, that's so minnesotan

j., Sunday, 3 May 2020 04:15 (three years ago) link

twin cities iirc

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Sunday, 3 May 2020 04:28 (three years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Correction: May 13, 2020
An earlier version of this article inaccurately rendered a quote attributed to Yannick de Jager. He said the North Sea is "a fickle bitch," not "a thicker beach."

rb (soda), Monday, 18 May 2020 01:42 (three years ago) link

well, there's one way it could have been worse

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Monday, 18 May 2020 03:46 (three years ago) link

Mr. de Jager must have a hell of an accent.

rb (soda), Monday, 18 May 2020 03:54 (three years ago) link

two weeks pass...

wtf is wrong with bari weiss

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 4 June 2020 23:55 (three years ago) link

heckuva job, bennet-y

mookieproof, Friday, 5 June 2020 01:45 (three years ago) link

he's now claiming he didn't read it before it was published lol

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Friday, 5 June 2020 12:53 (three years ago) link

three months pass...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/29/style/cecil-b-demille-liquor-dusty-hunters-whiskey.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Eventually, he and a business partner, Steve Livigni, were spending 10 hours a day, every day, searching for bottles throughout California and Mexico’s Baja Peninsula. On one road trip they visited nearly every single liquor store between Detroit and L.A. “We later learned we were apparently hitting liquor stores in neighborhoods that are essentially considered war zones,” Mr. Moix said.

Though they might be sheepish to admit it, dusty hunters have long believed that the more crime-riddled the neighborhood, the more liquor stores there are with cashiers standing behind bulletproof glass, the more likely they are to find great vintage scores. Mr. Ackerman has been nearly mugged a few times and once had a sawed-off shotgun held to his head when he peeked into the back room of a Koreatown liquor store and then started rifling through boxes without permission.

📺👁️ (peace, man), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 18:21 (three years ago) link

what does "nearly" being mugged mean?

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 18:51 (three years ago) link

Shocked that this guy had an owner flip out on him when he walked uninvited into a stockroom and started rifling through bottles of liquor

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 22:26 (three years ago) link

sounds like a real cool dude

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 29 September 2020 23:41 (three years ago) link

A whole article about homebound CEOs learning to enjoy family dinner.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/11/business/family-dinner-returns.html

Astonishing

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 12 October 2020 06:53 (three years ago) link

To keep her children engaged at dinner, Ms. Blakely said her family had started playing games — in one, they all strike a pose during dinner when her husband yells “Freeze!” Sometimes, they play old records and the meal turns into a spontaneous dance party around the table.

kill me

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 12 October 2020 06:53 (three years ago) link

When you confuse the #mannequinchallenge with parenting

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 12 October 2020 07:50 (three years ago) link

the photos will be handy for eventual guillotine recon

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 12 October 2020 08:01 (three years ago) link

The Wonder Woman and RBG art, brought in for just this casual moment... perfect.

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Monday, 12 October 2020 08:39 (three years ago) link

Spanx uses sweatshop labor in Southeast Asia IIRC.

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Monday, 12 October 2020 08:39 (three years ago) link

two weeks pass...

the columns where bret stephens and gail collins chat about the issues of the day are awful

treeship., Monday, 26 October 2020 16:58 (three years ago) link

You can slice that sentence in so many ways and every one is true

the columns where bret stephens and gail collins chat about the issues of the day are awful
the columns where bret stephens and gail collins chat about the issues of the day are awful
the columns where bret stephens and gail collins chat about the issues of the day are awful

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Monday, 26 October 2020 17:00 (three years ago) link

how about that, trump gail? what a maroon.

you said it, bret.

treeship., Monday, 26 October 2020 17:00 (three years ago) link

three months pass...

lol at the NYT Columbusing stuff thrown on the sidewalk

honkin' on bobo, honkin' with my feet ten feet off of beale (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 17:18 (three years ago) link

"for some obscure reason, tens of thousands of homes in NYC have been suddenly emptied over the last year. you might find a west elm table!"

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 17:34 (three years ago) link

tbf other (admittedly smaller/less dense) cities i've lived in have alleys or dumpsters or some better system; only in nyc is there just trash constantly on the sidewalk all the time

mookieproof, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 18:54 (three years ago) link

I think we built nearly an entire wall of a popular brand of high-end modular shelving from trash-picked sets back in the day. We bought one kit used to fill it out.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 19:14 (three years ago) link

for my first decade in the city, pretty much all my furniture but my bed was sourced from street shopping
I took a full-size couch home on the subway once

That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 23:55 (three years ago) link

Totally classic NYC move.

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, 25 February 2021 00:12 (three years ago) link

I guess Twitter and a blue check is saving these ppls lives Bc if they weren’t engaged in something they’d drink all the cleaners under the sink or choke on small toy cars or w/e, but I resent having to see this and am sadly aware they have more money than me pic.twitter.com/VWDmbVtNWq

— AD OFFICIAL PAGE (@atothe_d) February 3, 2021

stilt in the wings (sic), Thursday, 25 February 2021 05:07 (three years ago) link

it's a constant hellscape, m i rit guys?

http://i.imgur.com/N3L6Xr1.png

G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 10 March 2021 17:31 (three years ago) link

I'm not even bothering to get around the paywall on this, the headline is a thread-locker:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/20/style/spending-rich-people.html

rob, Tuesday, 23 March 2021 13:57 (three years ago) link

fucking hell

(•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 14:00 (three years ago) link

Bread lines grew longer, Birkin bags got hotter.

FUCK UUUUUUUU

(•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 14:02 (three years ago) link

ok dang I guess I should skirt the paywall that is really something

rob, Tuesday, 23 March 2021 14:04 (three years ago) link

For months I've been getting ads for the 'own .0000001% of a Banksy!' company and wondered who was stupid enough to buy in to that - apparently 28-year old VPs of marketing.

Joe Bombin (milo z), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 15:10 (three years ago) link

Pokemon box CDOs will cause the next financial collapse

Joe Bombin (milo z), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 15:11 (three years ago) link

posting, hang on

G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 16:31 (three years ago) link

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Rich people who shopped too much used to be called collectors. Now they — and those belonging merely to the aspirational class — are all investors.

It’s not just that they’ve spent the last year splurging on stakes in untested, newly formed public companies that have yet to produce products, much less profits. It’s that during the pandemic, seemingly every luxury acquisition has become a so-called alternative asset class.

Rather than elbowing past each other for reservations at the latest restaurants from Marcus Samuelsson and Jean-Georges Vongerichten, or getting into bidding wars for apartments at 740 Park Avenue, they are one-upping each other in online auctions for jewelry, watches, furniture, sports cards, vintage cars, limited-edition Nikes and crypto art.

Bread lines grew longer, Birkin bags got hotter.

A number of retailers were reticent to speak about the trend, stating that they did not wish to be on the record talking about nearly sold out $90,000 earrings during a time of growing wealth inequality.

John Demsey, the executive group president of the Estée Lauder Companies, voiced that concern even as he admitted a primary quarantine pastime.

“All I do is go through watch porn,” he said. “I’m selling watches, I’m buying watches. It’s crazy. I have no reason right now to buy a watch. I’m at home all day at a computer. Time is staring me right in the face. What reason do I have to look at my wrist? But I want a tangible sign of something, so I’m looking at watches.” And many other people are too.

Rolex Day-Dates that sold on the secondary market in 2020 for $30,000 are now going for upward of $50,000 on some resale sites. The Nautilus 5980, a rose gold chronograph sports watch from Patek Philippe that has a retail price of $85,000, can seldom be found on 47th Street for much less than $200,000.

One reason for surging prices, according to Benjamin Clymer, the editor of the watch site Hodinkee, is that “Switzerland shut down, so demand was there while the supply was dramatically reduced.”

But also, he said, “the wealthy that used to spend money on travel aren’t using it, so everything collectible is skyrocketing in value.”

That includes cars, a hobby that began for Mr. Clymer in 2011 and took off in 2015, when a multimillion-dollar strategic investment in Hodinkee helped transform him from blogger to mogul.

In the summer of 2020, Mr. Clymer went searching for a 1973 Porsche 911 Carrera RS.

One had sold shortly before the pandemic through the auction site Bring a Trailer (or BaT, as it’s known) for $560,000 but Mr. Clymer figured it might be a buyer’s market. Perhaps he could get it for less.

He found a beauty from a dealership that hadn’t listed the price on its website. It was in mint condition. Mr. Clymer asked for a quote and nearly fainted upon hearing the answer: $1.2 million.

“I said, ‘You’re crazy.’ Less than a month later it was sold.”

By Thanksgiving, auction houses were sending out news releases almost daily touting their record-breaking sales.

A pair of Conoid lounge chairs from the famed woodworker George Nakashima, which in 2019 commanded around $10,000, sold in October 2020 for $23,750 through the Chicago auction house Wright. A Mesa coffee table by T.H. Robsjohn Gibbings, a British architect whose name is barely known outside of the furniture world, brought in $237,500 in December; the overall result of the sale was $2.5 million, roughly double what the house did at the same sale a year before.

In February, a digital artwork of Donald Trump facedown in the grass, covered in words like “loser,” sold for $6.6 million, a record for a nonfungible token, or NFT, so called because there’s no physical piece for the buyer to take possession of.

Fittingly, the image was paid for in Ethereum, a form of cryptocurrency that, among millennials, is almost as well known as bitcoin. Two weeks later, Christie’s sold another NFT by Beeple, this time for $69 million.

The prices for the best vintage sports cards reached Warhol levels. In January, a 1952 Mickey Mantle was sold through PWCC Marketplace for $5.2 million. In March, Goldin Auctions, a sports collectible site, held its annual winter auction. “We grossed $45 million,” said Ken Goldin, the founder and C.E.O. “Last year, it was $4.7 million.”

One of Mr. Goldin’s repeat customers is Clement Kwan, the former president of Yoox Net-a-Porter and a founder of Beboe, an upscale line of cannabis vaporizers and edible pastilles that The New York Times has called “the Hermès of Marijuana.”

“Since the pandemic started, my financial portfolio has gone up 50 percent,” Mr. Kwan said from Miami last week. “My collectibles went up by 200.”

Mr. Kwan’s windfall came after learning in 2019 that a documentary about Michael Jordan was going to be released the following summer on Netflix. That led him to buy up sets of Mr. Jordan’s rookie cards at around $30,000 each. He also took a stake in Bleecker Trading, a bespoke sports memorabilia store in the West Village.

In May of 2020, Mr. Kwan sold a Jordan rookie card for nearly $100,000. By January, a particularly in-demand Jordan rookie card sold through Goldin for $738,000.

The renewed interest in Mr. Jordan extends to sneakers.

Last May, Ariana Peters — who, along with her sisters Dakota and Dresden Peters, owns what some believe is the most valuable sneaker collection in the world — had her biggest sale in five years of being in business: a pair of autographed 1985 Air Jordans that fetched $275,000.

In 2019, the sisters sold 572 pairs of sneakers, at prices that began at $500, Ariana Peters said in an interview. In 2020, they sold 879.

Ms. Peters actually sounded somewhat surprised talking about all this, perhaps because she and her sisters only got into the business because their father, a retired real estate developer named Douglas Roy Peters, bought so many pairs of sneakers they were running out of places to put them.

Those unprepared to shell out high sums for vintage collectibles are getting in on the action through recently established mutual funds.

Rally, an Android and iPhone app that sells fractional shares in everything from Rolex GMTs to dinosaur remains, had 100,000 users at the start of the pandemic and oversaw $12 million in inventory. Rob Petrozzo, its chief product officer and co-founder, said in an interview that the company now oversees $30 million of merchandise and has over 200,000 users. According to the company, the average age of a user is 28, and most are male.

The way the app works, investors buy, sell or trade their shares as if they were stocks. New product launches are actually called I.P.O.s.

“The equities space and the cryptocurrency space over the last couple years created really savvy investors who understand the dynamics of the market, so it’s a complement to their Coinbase accounts and their Robinhood accounts,” Mr. Petrozzo said

One of Mr. Petrozzo’s “investors” is Nicholas Abouzeid, the 24-year-old head of marketing at MainStreet, a 50-person firm that helps start-ups find and claim tax credits and incentives from the government.

On a recent afternoon, Mr. Abouzeid was talking over Zoom from the bedroom of his home in Woodbury, Conn. In his long-sleeved white T-shirt and wood framed glasses, he looked like any number of young white men who might work for Mark Zuckerberg or Josh Kushner. Behind him were shelves of memorabilia — super plastic toys, sealed Nintendo games from the ’90s and collectible Nike Sacai Waffle sneakers.

In the actual stock market, Mr. Abouzeid made last year what he described as “more than what somebody should make in a year,” buying and selling positions in high-growth technology companies such as Slack, Stitch Fix, Shopify and Fastly. “I’m in and out all the time,” he said.

He extracted much of his profits and put them into Pokémon collectibles.

On one level, it’s born of his nostalgia for the game, which he began playing in sixth grade. On another, it’s “an alternative asset class and a way to diversify,” as he put it.

His holy grail item is a first-edition “Booster Box” of Pokémon cards.

Upon its 1999 release, the set cost $110. In January, Heritage Auctions in Dallas sold one for $408,000.

Mr. Abouzeid doesn’t have that kind of money, but in a June 2020 “I.P.O.” from Rally, he purchased 125 “shares” of one at a price of $25 each.

They’re now worth $120 each, giving him a profit of around $13,500 (which is at least 300 percent more than he earned from his Slack holdings).

Jackson Moses, a colleague of Mr. Abouzeid’s at MainStreet, invests in biotech stocks and vintage whiskey. But Johnson & Johnson and Jack Daniel’s don’t interest him.

His Merrill Lynch account contains shares of companies like Sarepta Therapeutics, a maker of precision genetic medicines that treat rare neuromuscular and central nervous system diseases. His fridge is filled with rare, vintage Kacho Fugetsu.

“When my parents saw them in my apartment, they got really worried,” he said. “They said, ‘Is there something we need to talk about?’ But I don’t even open them.”

Earlier this month, when rising interest rates sent high-flying tech stocks into a tailspin, Kacho Fugetsu provided what Mr. Moses called “the perfect hedge.”

Of course, he’s aware that the ascent of his whiskey collection also could come to an end, but that at least has an upside. “Then I’ll finally have an excuse to drink it,” he said.

G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 16:38 (three years ago) link

“When my parents saw them in my apartment, they got really worried,” he said. “They said, ‘Is there something we need to talk about?’ But I don’t even open them.”

Son, Tory time

kinder, Tuesday, 23 March 2021 16:42 (three years ago) link

Can’t believe the watch blog guy landed a million dollar payday

Canon in Deez (silby), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 16:48 (three years ago) link

Watch collecting is such a douchebag red flag.

Joe Bombin (milo z), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 16:57 (three years ago) link

I can understand buying one (1) unnecessarily expensive watch

Canon in Deez (silby), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 17:04 (three years ago) link

my friend who likes watches is fully a weirdo more so than a douchebag

Canon in Deez (silby), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 17:05 (three years ago) link

I can understand buying one (1) unnecessarily expensive watch

i sure definitly can't! it's 2021 who the fuck needs an expensive time piece?

(•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 17:06 (three years ago) link


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