JFK assassination: was any consensus ever reached as to who actually did it and why?

so, if their competence was mediocre enough to have been seen through, one presumes they would stand out among the half dozen suspected entities as the true culprits. So, who are They?

i think the biggest wrinkle in the conspiracy theory, and an argument for lone gunmen is the paternalism that the government & agencies had at that time about unnecessarily scaring or upsetting The Public

get a quick, clean decidion that looks official on paper so that people can go on with their lives& not be unsettled by any kind of ugly truth

it really fucked everything up from start to finish: the more they tried to hide facts or cut corners the more it looked suspicious, because they completely underrated the public’s desire to know, even then.

they thought the public shouldn’t know. it’s not their job.

RONG lol

i kinda glibly summarized allthat though, i think there’s way more to it

i look at it in the context of, you know, everybody freaked out when FEMA bought a bunch of coffins and before you knew it we had a bunch of stupid fucking rumors about "FEMA death camps", because what could FEMA possibly need that many coffins for?

raise your hand anybody who still doesn't have any idea what FEMA could possibly have needed all those coffins for

Warren (to other Commission members): So, it's agreed then, gentlemen. We will carefully explain why, despite the many assassination attempts by the CIA ordered by JFK against Castro, we have ruled out Cuban involvement. Also, despite JFK sharing a mistress with Sam Giancana, RFK's vendetta against the mafia, the CIA's backdoor mafia connections, and CIA anger over the Bay of Pigs, we see no reason to think the mafia or CIA were involved either. It all goes into the report, because this was our remit, gentlemen, and the public deserves to know we aired all the dirty laundry before coming to a conclusion.

Other Commission members: u mad?

reading about the sex pest president JFK this morning pic.twitter.com/sFDKDl6qJ5

— roland barfs (@rolandbarfs) May 2, 2020

It's like a horror film where you're punished for having sex

damn

can you imagine if Oliver Stone had known about any of that when he was making JFK

Assumed this thread was revived for the revelation that Sir Alex Ferguson is obsessed with JFK’s assassination.

Hitchens reviewing several bios:

What several of these books combine to show—sometimes but not always unintentionally—is that the three years of the JFK regime were consumed by extraordinary hyperactivity on two fronts, and by extraordinary torpidity on two others. The hyperactivity consisted of continuous and stressful “crisis management,” often necessitated by self-induced crises, and reflected a picture of narcotic and sexual debauchery within the White House that still has the power to make one whistle. The torpor concerned two “macro” subjects—the pursuit of a nuclear test-ban treaty and the adoption by the administration and Congress of a serious position on civil rights—that really were both urgent and overdue.

But at least Joe Kennedy, Sr. lived to see a son in the White House. It was like the Make-A-Wish Foundation for the super-rich.

Was RFK at all dogged by the vices and hungers that characterised JFK's time in the WEhite House?

He couldn't keep it in his pants either afaik.

dogged eh

they're filthy animals

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ObvK4NR_LI

this got me crying. 😭😭 pic.twitter.com/fsxVQ2txI6

— 𝐦𝐚𝐤𝐞 𝐩𝐮𝐬𝐬𝐲 𝐠𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐭 𝐚𝐠𝐚𝐢𝐧. (@arisaidthat) September 12, 2020

i feel very old

Leon Czolgosz shot President McKinley 53 years before I was born and when I finally learned about it in grade school it felt like an impossibly remote event of ancient history. It's been 57 years since Oswald shot President Kennedy. I'm sure that Kids These Days feel the same as I did then. btw, I was 9 when Kennedy was killed, so it is a real memory for me, not something that feels utterly remote and irrelevant.

i have it on good authority that Gene Rayburn was seen running away from the depository looking distraught and nobody ever questioned him

Does Sada Baby get paid from all the tiktok plays?

Apparently TikTok does pay a tiny amount (less than Spotify!) now, but it's basically "exposure"

trueanon podcast has a 6 part deep dive into the jfk assasination

not exactly new but covers all the bases on a deep enough level to scratch an itch, and now finds me seeking out the peter dale scott book

idk why i am so addicted to this part of history but man i am so hooked

Cleaning house and going through my books, and the question came to mind:

Lots of people think Ruby was a hero for bumping off Oswald, but was this just the mob doing their mob thing - being macho and trigger happy, and isn't he in fact responsibke for a lot of the conspiracy bullshit when he whacked the guy?

Oh and I don't know if Peter Dale Scott proves anything, but is fascinating document of how fuckedly paranoid and spooked up the ass US was at the time, so is worthwhile reading and certainly a trip.

VG i love this stuff too, i didn't read peter dale scott but did read the devil's chessboard which i think relies on it. also read the book about the bush family, family of secrets, it has stuff about the hilarious letters barbara bush was writing at the time.

everything everyone says above is of course true but the killing shot was still the secret service guy in the car behind as he toppled backwards when the motorcade sped up and squeezed out a round by mistake from his badly designed automatic rifle

correct theory bcz banter outcome sorry if this offends

ordered JFK and the unspeakable yesterday, looking forward to it. i enjoy these approaches that are less forensic and more broadly political

meteors did it IMO

JFK killed himself

with Thurston Moore's big fuckin dick

Oh no! Lucy pulls the football away again

The White House said Friday it would delay the release of long-classified documents related to the assassination of former President John F. Kennedy. President Joe Biden wrote in a statement that the remaining files "shall be withheld from full public disclosure" until December 15 next year -- nearly 60 years after Kennedy's assassination in Dallas, Texas in 1963.

In 2017, former president Donald Trump released several thousand secret files on the assassination, but withheld others on national security grounds.

The White House said the national archivist needs more time for a review into that redaction, which was slowed by the pandemic.

GOD DAMMIT

David Mamet joins in with his own assassination movie

Set in 1963 and scripted by Mamet and Nicholas Celozzi, Assassination is set during a “crucial justice hearing against organized crime, when the head of the Chicago mob orders the assassination of President John F. Kennedy Jr., creating a deadly conspiracy while altering the fate of a nation.” With a cast featuring Al Pacino, Viggo Mortensen, John Travolta, Shia LaBeouf, Rebecca Pidgeon, and Courtney Love, production will kick off this September in Vancouver, with cinematographer Robert Elswit (Inherent Vice, There Will Be Blood) on board.

Taking the point of view of the mob, the film is rumored to take place in the two days leading up to the assassination and will imagine a story in which Chicago mob kingpin Sam Giancana ordered the hit to get back at JFK who turned his back on the mafia after they assisted with his election. In scripting the film, Celozzi reportedly drew inspiration from his great uncle Giancana, who was murdered in 1975.

Cuban gay mafia is the only conspiracy I will accept.

It's been decades since I saw JFK or thought about the assassination in any depth but given how antsy the mob gets over even whacking one of their own* the idea that they'd straight-up take out the President of the USA has always seemed v difficult to swallow.

(* my knowledge of the inner machinations of the mob is entirely gleaned from watching movies and The Sopranos)

I always thought the theory was they sent Ruby to take out Oswald to make people think they were also involved in taking out JFK when in fact they had nothing to do with it.

fuck yeah!

My dad's theory, after a few beers, was JFK was killed because he was a Catholic.

... usually in between verses from that song about how the British murdered James Connolly.

Is the prevailing theory now that the whole thing was a complete fuck-up on someone's part? Because most things are, despite the best efforts of conspiracy theorists to convince you that some shadowy cabal are in total control of their actions.

over/under on how many times the word "cocksucker" appears in this film

gonna guess "not enough"

felt like the irishman already told this story in a compelling way by merely hinting at it as a likely reason. in fact what i sort appreciated about that film was how it overlapped with the oliver stone JFK narrative for precisely one scene (frank delivering a truck shipment to david ferrie) and as with everything else in his life, frank was watching it all from the outside looking in and not knowing all the details, or caring to.

When are we ever getting our "his head just DID that" movie

The Behind The Bastards episodes on the Illuminati had some interesting stuff about a one time friend of Lee Harvey Oswald's who looked a lot like him who wound up convincing himself that he had been involved. Kerry Wendell Thornley.
He turns up in the 3rd of 4 parts on the history. Also apparently very influential in the rise of the underground magazine but pretty unstable.

Shia LaBeouf... and Courtney Love

this is the real crime

https://i.imgur.com/OFVJXdK.gif

the thornley brothers were named tom dick and kerry