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thx Kate!

epicenter of the fieri universe (sleeve), Wednesday, 29 April 2020 18:30 (three years ago) link

oh my god that Vernal Equinox video. Jaki is just unreal, how do you play that way for 8 straight minutes? and what's with the camera holding on Irmin while Karoli is shredding?

can't unsee the Garth Brooks thing. oh well. I guess it's not the worst fate.

what are the high quality Can bootlegs? the officially released live set has pretty dodgy sound quality. Peel Session is obviously good and well-recorded. A lot of the other ones I've got just don't sound great.

frogbs, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 18:38 (three years ago) link

There's an awesome live version of Spoon on the Lost Tapes that starts off with a lot of audience clapping and the most satisfied-sounding "yeah" ...ever?
It's at 1:09 -- ignore the video! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV-w9Aachg4

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 29 April 2020 18:45 (three years ago) link

I got a Jackson Browne vibe from Karoli, looks-wise. Even the shirt looks like something Browne would have worn back then.

nickn, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 18:54 (three years ago) link

(xp) They could at least have given Holger time to get dressed when they woke him up in the morning.

The Corbynite Maneuver (Tom D.), Wednesday, 29 April 2020 19:45 (three years ago) link

two weeks pass...

I just heard this brilliant peel session for the first time:

https://youtu.be/n1IcQ9ulUCA

Am I crazy or are there parts in the second song where it sounds like two different drummers playing along? Specifically 10:40 onwards. Did they used an extra percussionist around the time? There’s so much going on that I’m having a hard time separating the drums apart to identify if it’s actually possible to play with only two arms.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 14 May 2020 06:04 (three years ago) link

hmm, to my ears at that time stamp, a modular synth patch is introduced which at first sounds "clicky" (low-/zero-attack AREG), but then the low-pass filter is tweaked to sound more like swelling wind or surf.

the clicking sound does sound percussive (like tight beats on a high-hat) but you can hear that sound color from that channel start shifting soon after.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 14 May 2020 06:46 (three years ago) link

I've got that on CD but I've ever noticed that bit before, maybe there's something wrong with the audio. By the way, people outside the UK tend to make the mistake of assuming that Peel Sessions were necessarily recorded live, in fact they were just studio sessions that were to be completed in one day, so you could overdub to your heart's content if you were quick and knew what you wanted to do. Can probably did play live though.

Frank Bough: I Took Drugs with Vice Girls (Tom D.), Thursday, 14 May 2020 08:16 (three years ago) link

posted this to facebook last week:

You ever like a song so much you wish it never ended and you just start playing it over and over again? I was going through that with Can's Oh Yeah, a perennial favorite, and was also curious about how it sounded backwards, because a lot of the guitar and half of the vocals are recorded backwards. So I made a version called Yeah Oh Yeah. It's Oh Yeah forwards, then On Yeah backwards, then Oh Yeah forwards but run through an Eventide H910 plug-in and some EQ, then it's Oh Yeah forwards while Oh Yeah backwards plays at the same time slightly quieter and panned a bit, aligned so the transition between forwards and backwards happens at about the same time, followed by Oh Yeah forwards again. It's 36 minutes long and can be found here:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m4fl1x6t6g905vp/yeah%20oh%20yeah.mp3?dl=0

dan selzer, Thursday, 14 May 2020 13:36 (three years ago) link

Oooh yeah! Relevant to my interests, thanks for sharing/posting!!

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 14 May 2020 13:39 (three years ago) link

Oh No

frogbs, Thursday, 14 May 2020 13:43 (three years ago) link

Oh wow, what kind of bathroom break to end all bathroom breaks hath now been unleashedehsaelun neeb won htah skaerb moorhtab lla dne ot kaerb moorhtab fo dnik tahw ,wow hO

call mr zbow that's my name that name again is mr zbow (Craig D.), Thursday, 14 May 2020 14:52 (three years ago) link

(in a DJing context, I should've specified, haha)

call mr zbow that's my name that name again is mr zbow (Craig D.), Thursday, 14 May 2020 14:53 (three years ago) link

Well trans Europe express has long been many DJ’s bathroom break record. Always good to go to the Germans for such uses.

dan selzer, Thursday, 14 May 2020 15:08 (three years ago) link

OMG, somebody with more skillz than me please retouch the kool aid man to look like Damo.

dan selzer, Thursday, 14 May 2020 15:20 (three years ago) link

Kalling Karl Malone to thread.

Frank Bough: I Took Drugs with Vice Girls (Tom D.), Thursday, 14 May 2020 15:21 (three years ago) link

Yesssss.
this is sounding great. I like that Damo sounds like he's backwards regardless of whether he's actually backwards. How did he do it!

tylerw, Thursday, 14 May 2020 15:25 (three years ago) link

the moment in Oh Yeah when the bass really kicks in, like 2 minutes into it, is really one of my favorite moments ever

last night I listened to the Singles comp, such a strange way to listen to Can's catalogue especially since the concept forces it to kick off with one of their worst tracks (IMO) in "Soul Desert". and it kinda misses everything that's really great about the band, no "Mother Sky", only 3 minutes of "Halleluwah" and "Future Days", no "Bel Air", etc. but it's still a fun listen. ending with "Can Can" and "Hoolah Hoolah" is pretty hilarious, actually. the "Hoolah Hoolah" remix samples a few of their old songs, it's bonkers

frogbs, Thursday, 14 May 2020 16:01 (three years ago) link

Agree — that singles Comp is very weird as an introduction to Can. I’ve got a huge soft spot for “Can Can” though

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 14 May 2020 18:03 (three years ago) link

The comp does have “turtles have short legs” and it’s a ridiculous song that also kicks ass and it’s not available in any of the albums or previous comps iirc.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 14 May 2020 19:06 (three years ago) link

Seriously if that song was on Tago Mago or Ege Bamyasi (would fit better in the second imho) it would make a 10/10 album a 11/10. It’s one of my favorite Can songs with Damo.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 14 May 2020 19:09 (three years ago) link

i don't care if he is a moose, i ain't taking no driving lessons from someone named "mooselini"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6KR16f6hAE

Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 14 May 2020 19:18 (three years ago) link

lol every time I hear Turtles I sing that in my head

Do you know why we stopped the car
Do I know why we stopped the car

frogbs, Thursday, 14 May 2020 19:22 (three years ago) link

Cherry Red released Turtles as a 12" with Moonshake and One More Night. That's the version I have. Not sure what the story was in 1983 when they did that, but thank god.

https://www.discogs.com/Can-Moonshake/release/401665

dan selzer, Thursday, 14 May 2020 19:39 (three years ago) link

Compiled by Epic Soundtracks! That's cool.

tylerw, Thursday, 14 May 2020 19:46 (three years ago) link

Yes, I've got that. Different mix or edit of "Turtles" I think?

Frank Bough: I Took Drugs with Vice Girls (Tom D.), Thursday, 14 May 2020 20:43 (three years ago) link

yeah I think there's two edits of it, one of them (I think the original single version?) has this weird false start with Damo & more of a stereo mix. the one on Radio Waves is diffa bit more flat but probably sounds better

frogbs, Thursday, 14 May 2020 20:48 (three years ago) link

High Tyler, good to see you've still got info and links re Can w Tim Hardin and other passing voices, although the Tim Can youtube vid has been removed---yall check https://doomandgloomfromthetomb.tumblr.com/search/Tim%20Hardin%20Can

dow, Thursday, 14 May 2020 20:52 (three years ago) link

(xp) There's definitely something weird about one of the versions, there's a strange edit - and I've got a feeling it's the one on the Singles comp. Though that might be because I was familiar with the earlier version.

Frank Bough: I Took Drugs with Vice Girls (Tom D.), Thursday, 14 May 2020 21:13 (three years ago) link

if you google around you should be able to find the can / tim hardin thing elsewhere xp

tylerw, Thursday, 14 May 2020 21:19 (three years ago) link

so I just went ahead and tried to retouch a damo suzuki kool aid man and uh, I think Adobe is cancelling my creative cloud subscription.

maybe i'll try again.

dan selzer, Friday, 15 May 2020 01:59 (three years ago) link

I might be able to hook up an enterprise CC license if it helps

mh, Friday, 15 May 2020 02:02 (three years ago) link

Turtles is core syllabus Can for me because for several years the only Can I owned was that moonshake 12”. You could read about Can a lot in 1986 but finding their records was another matter

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Friday, 15 May 2020 02:19 (three years ago) link

I just meant they were cancelling it because of how terrible a job I did. I still have it, I spend 10 hrs a day in it.

dan selzer, Friday, 15 May 2020 04:05 (three years ago) link

Just remembered one of the shows I missed due to quarantine was Damo in a club earlier this month. Tickets were about to go on sale when everything hit.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 15 May 2020 04:17 (three years ago) link

lol

mh, Friday, 15 May 2020 16:40 (three years ago) link

eight months pass...

was curious what Damo was singing on "Deadlock", so I looked it up

When we fool didn't know how build the new room
You could choose too along the sunshine.
But then the smile and then the reefs just for chess and me,
Now you fools stand happy in the pan.
When the smile and tender leaves just for chess and me,
Now you fools must stand in the pan.
When we fool didn't know how build the new room
You could choose too along the sunshine.

oh, thanks for clearing that up, I guess

have "official" Can lyrics ever been published anywhere? did the other members of the band even know what they are?

frogbs, Wednesday, 3 February 2021 20:41 (three years ago) link

not even sure what damo knew what they were tbf

you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 20:47 (three years ago) link

From reading the book iirc like a lot of Damo's songs were made up on the spot, like spontanteous poetry more than conscious song lyrics

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 20:48 (three years ago) link

idk if other Can lyricists approached composing lyrics the same way but i remember reading that somewhere

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 20:48 (three years ago) link

i know this is stupid but the first time I heard "Halleluwah" the bit where he names the previous three tracks kinda blew my mind - "Mushroomhead, oh yeah, paper house"

frogbs, Wednesday, 3 February 2021 20:55 (three years ago) link

haha yeah thats a cool moment

on many other racks it seems clear to me that hes often vocalizing sounds that correlate to words and parts of english language speech but are not themselves actual words

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 21:02 (three years ago) link

Part of that is because didn't speak English when he joined Can iirc. He was a tourist who overstayed his visa and joined a band while in Germany and that band happened to be Can :) There was even a part in the book where he had a deportation scare but he got out of it.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 21:05 (three years ago) link

as told in the book, the individual sagas of both mooney and damo are truly amazing stories!

tylerw, Wednesday, 3 February 2021 21:07 (three years ago) link

so why was he mimicking English and not German? because Mooney sang in English?

speaking of - it's recently occurred to me that "Peking O" is, in modern terms, 11 minutes of musical shitposting. I don't know what inspired that track, it almost seems like they were looking at what Zappa was doing and figured "we might as well make this funny"

frogbs, Wednesday, 3 February 2021 21:16 (three years ago) link

Also worth noting that Damo was aged 20-23 during his tenure with the band.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 21:16 (three years ago) link

so why was he mimicking English and not German? because Mooney sang in English?

Because rock bands sing in English I suppose?

Waterloo Subset (Tom D.), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 21:23 (three years ago) link

He said he was into Deep Purple at the time he joined Can.

Waterloo Subset (Tom D.), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 21:24 (three years ago) link

It’s possible those prior tracks weren’t named, per se, when he sang that and the repetition was part of the naming

mh, Thursday, 4 February 2021 03:10 (three years ago) link


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