Really the problem was that Labour disappeared into its periodic bout of navel gazing at exactly the time when it was really needed. Neither of the parties were paying sufficient attention in January and February and we are where we are.
At this stage they aren't doing enough to make sure the government is adequately prepared for the second spike and that's a whole other disaster in the making.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 28 April 2020 17:07 (four years ago) link
so the realpolitik position on how to do opposition is don't do it nobody listens anyway unless you take money from bet365 and broadly agree with the tories on most things ? corbyn managed to pressure the govt on austerity enough that they had to pretend it was over again. That won't won't happen awith sensible grown up opposition utilising the powers of politeness & civility that you apparently need if you want people to listen to you..
― calzino, Tuesday, 28 April 2020 17:11 (four years ago) link
It was a really shit timing for a leadership election, but stuff happens.
― calzino, Tuesday, 28 April 2020 17:21 (four years ago) link
They are pretending they've got the crisis under control now - pressuring them into lying about shit is the easy bit, pressuring them into genuine change is quite another. I don't really have an answer to your question sadly, the whole thing just feels like a gigantic fuck-up from start to finish.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 28 April 2020 17:22 (four years ago) link
sorry if I was a bit rude back there, just had a can of lomza and it went straight to me!
― calzino, Tuesday, 28 April 2020 17:25 (four years ago) link
It was only shit timing because they decided to make it longer than 4 General Election campaigns combined.
― The Corbynite Maneuver (Tom D.), Tuesday, 28 April 2020 17:28 (four years ago) link
Nah its fine, it's the exasperation and despair talking for me as well.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 28 April 2020 17:28 (four years ago) link
And in case of any doubt I am absolutely not suggesting there's real culpability on Labour's part here because only one party had any power to do anything, but saying that the notion of 'complicity' from the opposition at times like this is a slippery one.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 28 April 2020 17:31 (four years ago) link
so the realpolitik position on how to do opposition is don't do it nobody listens anyway unless you take money from bet365 and broadly agree with the tories on most things ?
Nah, no-one listens even then. I'd like to have Corbyn as LOTO for a lot of reasons, but one of them is that the conditions for that happening preclude the shellacking that Labour got at the election, which is the reason why it doesn't matter who the Labour leader is, and it won't unless the government start to worry about their majority.
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 28 April 2020 18:36 (four years ago) link
So angered by this shit.
RT'd this initially but it's so horrific i didn't feel right leaving it at that. rajesh's landlord sent him out of the house and changed the locks, leaving him to sleep in a car with covid19. he later died in a room he borrowed 4k to pay for upfront. https://t.co/LqLXBvmkKA— egg (@emmaggarland) April 28, 2020
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 28 April 2020 20:13 (four years ago) link
jesus christ
― He is married to Brogmus, Linda. (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 28 April 2020 20:15 (four years ago) link
That entire story is just awful. No words really.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 28 April 2020 20:52 (four years ago) link
Landlords are amongst the worst parasites of humanity... just absolutely sickening.
― calzino, Tuesday, 28 April 2020 20:57 (four years ago) link
Privately-funded healthcare for the NHS!
The Daily Mail has flown 20 tons of coveralls and masks - worth over £1m - from China to give to NHS staff. It has also created a new charity, Mail Force, and is hoping for support from big donors, readers and the public to help deliver more PPE. https://t.co/NrC4NKghqr pic.twitter.com/M0njvMUrR7— Press Gazette (@pressgazette) April 28, 2020
― nashwan, Tuesday, 28 April 2020 21:41 (four years ago) link
how does that chime with their raging xenophobia?
― calzino, Tuesday, 28 April 2020 21:51 (four years ago) link
Earlier I noticed a ten deep queue of appropriately distanced people waiting on the forecourt and some waiting in parked cars outside a local Chinese takeaway. I thought all the 5g conspiracy nonsense and xenophobic right-wing press might have killed their business off, but some folk just want to eat!
― calzino, Tuesday, 28 April 2020 21:58 (four years ago) link
I think the 5G thing is about 20 people tbh, plus a million or two more who picked up on it for a week or so then moved on. Fail!
― archangel's thunderpants (Matt #2), Tuesday, 28 April 2020 22:34 (four years ago) link
Cummings in SAGE: apparently the one who made them do lockdown, finally. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-28/top-aide-to-u-k-s-johnson-pushed-scientists-to-back-lockdown
― stet, Tuesday, 28 April 2020 23:17 (four years ago) link
i heard he also personally built the nightingale hospital himself in one night and taught joe wicks everything he knows
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 28 April 2020 23:28 (four years ago) link
According to two people, SAGE were hammering the table shouting “let them all die”
― stet, Tuesday, 28 April 2020 23:54 (four years ago) link
How much can an advertorial in Bloomberg cost nowadays?
― clap for content-providers (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 29 April 2020 02:05 (four years ago) link
One attendee at the meeting described feeling uncomfortable that the panel with Cummings’s input was taking more of a decision-making approach than simply drawing up options and giving advice to ministers. The attendee added, however, that it was also a relief that Cummings had pushed for a lockdown because there were concerns that politicians had not fully understood how serious the coronavirus emergency had become.
― julian sprinkles (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 29 April 2020 06:30 (four years ago) link
absolutely transparent counterspin from the government, fucking awful
the mercurial, enigmatic special adviser was simultaneously agitating for a lockdown whilst saying: protect the economy and too bad if a load of pensioners die. You can see why they pay him so much.
― calzino, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 07:57 (four years ago) link
I remember @jeremycorbyn being ridiculed for putting questions from the public at PM questions? Or am I missing something? https://t.co/arLzrSs1BA— Peter Dowd (@Peter_Dowd) April 28, 2020
if Corbyn was so bad why would the Tories bother trying to bite his style heh?
― calzino, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 08:06 (four years ago) link
doesn't that give the government the choice of which questions to answer? the bloke just on radio4 was avoiding all the not-even-hard questions he was being asked by the pesky interviewer and this skips all that.
if someone says 'that is an important question' you can tell he's just about to not answer it. if he starts talking about how germany handled the situation but how things are different here he's not going to answer it.
― koogs, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 08:30 (four years ago) link
yeah I don't think any of the questions that they use will be inquisitive enough to upset Lord Sugar.
― calzino, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 08:41 (four years ago) link
Hey Boris how come your dog seems to have a better idea of what a pig's ear looks like than the lickspittle uk press?
― calzino, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 08:43 (four years ago) link
His babby is born btw.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 09:04 (four years ago) link
he's totally armoured against criticism now!
― julian sprinkles (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 29 April 2020 09:09 (four years ago) link
the bairn should have a borg type name like Sixteen of Four to avoid confusion
― calzino, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 09:13 (four years ago) link
How about Thirteen? Imagine that’s how he keeps track of them.
― santa clause four (suzy), Wednesday, 29 April 2020 09:14 (four years ago) link
the good news is that we can be assured that the babby won't divert his attention from being pm because he has years of experience in ignoring his kids
― julian sprinkles (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 29 April 2020 09:20 (four years ago) link
also, he's not paying much attention to being pm anyway
that could be good news because time he tried to be PM he set the country on a disasterous course to have the highest c-19 death toll in Europe
― calzino, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 09:22 (four years ago) link
he's just delivering on his promise to put britain first
― julian sprinkles (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 29 April 2020 09:23 (four years ago) link
Wait hang on she's only been pregnant five minutes?
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 09:25 (four years ago) link
Another PMQs escaped there then
― stet, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 09:26 (four years ago) link
Are you suggesting she's not human?xpost
― sing, for song drives away the goves (Matt #2), Wednesday, 29 April 2020 09:27 (four years ago) link
She was due in early summer which in this country is June, right?
― gyac, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 09:27 (four years ago) link
Disturbed by the headline 'Patel probe should be public 'as soon as possible'
― nashwan, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 09:28 (four years ago) link
I have just seen the phrase "Some much needed good news for the nation!" and am shopping around for another nation.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 09:29 (four years ago) link
You’ve already got one 🙃
― gyac, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 09:29 (four years ago) link
She was in big coats in December and I reckon his divorce (and its potential cost or delay if his wife wanted to play hardball) may have played a part in keeping any announcement back until it could’ve combined with an engagement.
― santa clause four (suzy), Wednesday, 29 April 2020 09:33 (four years ago) link
Number 10 crowdsourcing less about biting Corbz' style, more about astroturf-fuelling the culture war between ordinary folx, joining together in knees-up Blitz camaraderie vs our disrespectful, perfidious fourth estate of {checks notes}... The FT, Panorama and Piers Morgan?
― Piedie Gimbel, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 09:35 (four years ago) link
Oh and the Sunday Times, obvs.
― Piedie Gimbel, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 09:36 (four years ago) link
our PM unquestioningly takes his public health strategy advice from useless incompetent crackpots that are completely out of their depth and takes his family planning advice from bin Laden. You can see why he's so popular.
― calzino, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 09:47 (four years ago) link
Pesto seems to think if Hitler had managed to get one of his birds knocked up and survived a bout of the Rona he would have been a very different fuhrer!
― calzino, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 10:02 (four years ago) link
maybe a case of 14th time was the charm
― calzino, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 10:08 (four years ago) link
lads, lads, i know it's the game. but "wonderful"?
Wonderful news. Many congratulations to Boris Johnson and Carrie Symonds. https://t.co/x3jD1cQUqY— Keir Starmer (@Keir_Starmer) April 29, 2020
― clap for content-providers (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 29 April 2020 11:31 (four years ago) link