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that's pretty stupid

silby, Wednesday, 22 April 2020 21:35 (four years ago) link

I read as much of that as I could stand, but for someone who says he has no strategy and the direction of the left needs to be the result of a collective conversation, he makes one hell of a lot of assertions about strategy and most of them are hella simplistic and indistinguishable from neoliberalism. Not to mention the ones that are just wrong.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 22 April 2020 22:00 (four years ago) link

i like that it skipped from point 4 to 6. seemed illustrative of the entire argument: i live in a warped universe where there is no number 5

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 22 April 2020 22:00 (four years ago) link

tuned out around 4 but kept scrolling and boy did it continue

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Wednesday, 22 April 2020 22:10 (four years ago) link

it should be a crime for a 'tweet thread' to last more than two tweets

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Wednesday, 22 April 2020 22:11 (four years ago) link

Who even are all these people!!! Posting things. Ffs

silby, Wednesday, 22 April 2020 22:14 (four years ago) link

New board description

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Wednesday, 22 April 2020 22:17 (four years ago) link

someone who's supposed to be - and often is - very smart

could've fooled me

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 22 April 2020 22:41 (four years ago) link

I always think he's Matt Zoller Seitz

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Wednesday, 22 April 2020 22:42 (four years ago) link

and he spent something like, what, $600 million or so on his own primary campaign and made it sound like he would pitch in at least that much to defeat Trump in the general election?

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 4 May 2020 18:23 (three years ago) link

I'm sure he'll spend a lot more, just wish he was doing it w/ his own pac or whatever and not through the party

Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 4 May 2020 18:28 (three years ago) link

one month passes...
two weeks pass...

thinking about USPS, tax day, that two-year period of complete Democratic control of government we had a while ago, and how many small and easy things they didn't fix on account of none of them being normal people with normal problems

— 'Weird Alex' Pareene (@pareene) July 16, 2020

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 July 2020 12:50 (three years ago) link

Democrats did not have a veto-proof majority until a few months in 2009, and Pareene knows that; but, yes, the USPS bill should've been repealed.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 July 2020 13:08 (three years ago) link

To be fair, I think everyone who supported Democrats in the 2006 & 2008 elections did it on the condition that Joe Lieberman, Ben Nelson be given veto power over everything.

I guess I shouldn’t say everyone but I know I did.

— Mike Racioppo (@RacioppoMike) July 16, 2020

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 July 2020 13:18 (three years ago) link

i also disagree with the idea that "none of them are normal people with normal problems"
that's just not true and that's not why they didn't pay attention to the USPS during this short period

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 16 July 2020 13:25 (three years ago) link

being a multimillionaire is not normal

singular wolf erotica producer (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 17 July 2020 03:24 (three years ago) link

A veto-proof majority isn’t needed when you have a Democratic President.

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Friday, 17 July 2020 18:39 (three years ago) link

I think the issue is cloture not veto

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 17 July 2020 20:44 (three years ago) link

putting on kid gloves to deal with Justice Dems

https://theintercept.com/2020/07/18/jamaal-bowman-nancy-pelosi-statement/

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 19 July 2020 02:26 (three years ago) link

she also made a point of endorsing ilhan omar

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 19 July 2020 05:04 (three years ago) link

Legalize Marijuana

DNC Platform
vote: 106n, 50y, 3a
% support: 31/67 (-36)
👈

Polling – Pew 11/19
Public: 67/32 (+35)
Dems: 78/20 (+58) ←

Medicare for All

DNC Platform
vote: 36y, 125n, 3a
% support: 22/76 (-54)
👈

Polling – KFF 5/20
Public: 57/40 (+17)
Dems: 78/19 (+59) ←

Steppin' RZA (sic), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 09:41 (three years ago) link

🤦‍♂️

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 09:55 (three years ago) link

But at least the president will tweet 5 times a year.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 28 July 2020 10:20 (three years ago) link

"We are proud our party welcomes advocates who want to build on and strengthen the Affordable Care Act and those who support a Medicare for All approach."

Incisive

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 10:28 (three years ago) link

absolutely worthless

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 11:04 (three years ago) link

One thing voters in 2020 really love is triangulation and taking a halfway approach on everything, like their health, and fossil fuels.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 11:11 (three years ago) link

FWIW the majority of Americans also oppose eliminating private health insurance.

trapped out the barndo (crüt), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 12:38 (three years ago) link

I.e. a lot of people think “Medicare For All” sounds like a great idea but when you poll them on policies that would be implemented under M4A they don’t like it

trapped out the barndo (crüt), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 12:44 (three years ago) link

I thought it was the otherb way around?

singular wolf erotica producer (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 13:03 (three years ago) link

The crumb crust is a texture and flavour thing - it just looks more appetising. Also seconding peas in cheese.

santa clause four (suzy), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 13:20 (three years ago) link

accidentally otm

singular wolf erotica producer (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 13:23 (three years ago) link

depends which "policies that would be implemented" are being polled, I think. for example, "you get free healthcare forever" polls well. "the GOVERNMENT will tell HARD WORKING COMPANIES they CAN'T MAKE MONEY ANYMORE" polls badly.

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 28 July 2020 13:46 (three years ago) link

the whole party apparatus is like a character in Jurassic Park trying to remain perfectly still as the election (T-Rex) gets closer because they think that's the only way they'll survive.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 14:12 (three years ago) link

"the GOVERNMENT will tell HARD WORKING COMPANIES they CAN'T MAKE MONEY ANYMORE" polls badly.

I seriously doubt this is how the poll question is framed, and I’m guessing the reason people don’t want private insurance abolished is that they think it gives them more choices and lower costs, not that they’re concerned about the welfare of insurance companies.

trapped out the barndo (crüt), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 15:32 (three years ago) link

I feel like it's the same reason a lot of people (indeed most people in the US) think public school should be a free, taxpayer-funded option for everyone, but also don't think private schools should be abolished, don't really get why anyone would think of this as a weird or hypocritical or unlikely stance for people to have.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 15:35 (three years ago) link

(I think private schools should be abolished)

all cats are beautiful (silby), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 15:46 (three years ago) link

pvmic

forbidden froot loop (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 15:55 (three years ago) link

show me one out-of-character post I've made! Actually don't I can think of some

all cats are beautiful (silby), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 15:58 (three years ago) link

no shade implied; we admire your consistency

forbidden froot loop (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 16:00 (three years ago) link

they think it gives them more choices and lower costs

than... what? I believe you that a lot of people think this; a lot of people think American has 'the best' health care in the world! but that's just the result of decades of effective propaganda by the insurance industry, surely. i'm not implying it won't be hard to disabuse people of these ideas, of course

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 16:17 (three years ago) link

crut, you're right that my simplification doesn't capture a lot of the sentiment out there. but we know the whole routine by now and what the counterarguments and counterpropaganda moves are. it would be nice for the democratic party at the national level to look at the M4A polling, recognize the challenges, and participate in the organizing work needed to continue flipping those scripts. this is obviously a fantasy ---- but i'm just saying, i get why the contrast between the poll numbers and the platform votes is galling.

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 28 July 2020 18:13 (three years ago) link

Exclusive: Democrats introduce a bill to fund legal assistance for those facing eviction. https://t.co/ihvF0Dx7HB

— Vox (@voxdotcom) July 28, 2020

this...doesn't really get to the root of the problem

mozzy star (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 18:29 (three years ago) link

two weeks pass...

This Alex Morse story is crazy. It seems like this guy (30-something mayor of a small MA city, primarying a Dem incumbent) was accused of using his talks to College Democrats groups as a way to meet undergrads who he'd then try to pick up on dating apps -- there was a huge amount of "it's not against any official rule to treat the audience at your campus visit as a group of potential sex partners, what's the problem here" defensiveness -- but now Intercept is reporting that the whole thing was a setup and Morse was NOT actually doing any of this and maybe even was being catfished by students supporting his opponent trying to gin up disqualifying text messages? What a mess.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 13 August 2020 15:48 (three years ago) link

yeah these kids should be ashamed and probably expelled. buttigieg canvassers, because of course
https://theintercept.com/2020/08/12/alex-morse-college-democrats-chats/

k3vin k., Thursday, 13 August 2020 16:29 (three years ago) link

Timothy Ennis is going to have a long and lucrative career in the Democratic Party.

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Thursday, 13 August 2020 18:03 (three years ago) link

That story has grown crazier in the last 24 hours.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 August 2020 18:07 (three years ago) link

Wow Taibbi wrote an article defending Morse a couple days ago and I was rmde. Now it turns out it was a frame-job?

DJI, Thursday, 13 August 2020 19:17 (three years ago) link

I thought this was good:

https://www.vox.com/2020/8/17/21369922/democratic-convention-dnc-speeches-lineup

Low-trust voters are something of a blind spot for the Democratic Party, which is run and funded by a group of people — cosmopolitan, diverse, well-educated, economically secure — who see the world in positive terms and who feel their personal concerns are frequently catered to by cultural tastemakers.

...

Democrats aren’t going to suddenly stop being the party of college educated cosmopolitans, and Joe Biden couldn’t reasonably campaign as a revolutionary outsider. But conventions are about choices and branding, and it’s striking that Democrats are choosing to dedicate so little time to highlighting voices who could speak to any of the demographic groups on the margins of their coalition — the diverse group of mostly young, mostly working-class people who feel the political system has lost interest in them.

jaymc, Monday, 17 August 2020 17:29 (three years ago) link


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