The Titanic is passé. We're all on a Carnival cruise ship!
― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 13 April 2020 17:19 (four years ago) link
there's a biden-bernie livestream going on right now. biden just said he'll need bernie's help not just winning the election but governing. now he's talking about how we need to raise the min wage to $15 and help workers during the coronavirus time.
― Mordy, Monday, 13 April 2020 18:17 (four years ago) link
joe just said "we can't just build back to the way things were before we need to build to a better future"
― Mordy, Monday, 13 April 2020 18:18 (four years ago) link
and now he's asking bernie for more advice for how to make the economy work for more people
― Mordy, Monday, 13 April 2020 18:19 (four years ago) link
hard to imagine this message lasts the entire campaign in every venue but biden is sounding a lot like bernie atm
― Mordy, Monday, 13 April 2020 18:26 (four years ago) link
Biden making a stump speech in front of a friendly crowd at a state fair would sound a good bit different from Biden online doing a livestream sit down with Bernie. Different audiences, different messages. This tete a' tete does not mean Biden will morph into Bernie, but it is evidence he's been briefed and he is taking it in. He's making an effort to include Bernie's voters as an important part of the mix, and he knows he'll have to adopt parts of Bernie's agenda to win them over.
― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 13 April 2020 18:38 (four years ago) link
yea this is the first time I've actually felt a small glimmer of hope about a Biden administration
― frogbs, Monday, 13 April 2020 18:52 (four years ago) link
he knows he'll have to adopt give lip service to parts of Bernie's agenda to win them over
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 13 April 2020 20:17 (four years ago) link
I mean yes, to "win them over" in terms of getting votes, but obviously if you think a President Joe Biden would ever "adopt parts of Bernie's agenda" I hava a Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act to sell you
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 13 April 2020 20:20 (four years ago) link
With the utmost respect for Bernie Sanders, who is an incredible human being & a genuine inspiration, I don't endorse Joe Biden. I supported Bernie Sanders because he backed ideas like #MedicareForAll, cancelling ALL student debt, & a wealth tax. Biden supports none of those.— Briahna Joy Gray (@briebriejoy) April 13, 2020
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Monday, 13 April 2020 20:28 (four years ago) link
Not like Biden ever could adopt any such policies if you're to believe the "President has no real power under a Republican congress" take that gets deployed on cue to denigrate that agenda as delusionally unrealistic/radical whenever bad faith discussion of "HoW iS hE gOnNa PaSs AnY oF tHiS??" comes up ;)
― Sabre of Paradise (trevor phillips), Monday, 13 April 2020 20:31 (four years ago) link
so that's two prez elections Gray will sit out, eh?
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 April 2020 20:35 (four years ago) link
Well done her.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 13 April 2020 20:38 (four years ago) link
That kind of messianism does have a childish ruthlessness which works beautifully on social media, for sure.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 April 2020 20:40 (four years ago) link
Lucky we're not on a Princess ship
― donald failson (sic), Monday, 13 April 2020 20:43 (four years ago) link
where does she live?
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Monday, 13 April 2020 20:46 (four years ago) link
Gray's reasoning is ruthless, yes, and also soberly clear. She is not following Bernie which you'd think she would -- if as many people think of Bernie as a messianic sort.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 13 April 2020 20:52 (four years ago) link
If she'd kept it to herself, well and good. But of course she wants to make her decision public, thus signaling to millions of other minorities that it's okay to sit out this election. She's signaling it's okay to doom themselves. As a POC, I find this disheartening and gross.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 April 2020 20:54 (four years ago) link
For Briahna Joy Gray:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iALyrLFJjlE
― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 13 April 2020 20:55 (four years ago) link
This, however, is good news: https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/12/politics/virginia-election-day-holiday-early-voting/index.html
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 April 2020 20:55 (four years ago) link
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn),Monday, April 13, 2020 1:54 PM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
fair enough, but also: fairly certain no one outside of the twitter wonkaverse/current affairs readership even knows who she is or will ever hear her opinion
― gbx, Monday, 13 April 2020 21:02 (four years ago) link
I thought Sanders supporters on social media would also follow his campaign secretary on Twitter?
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 April 2020 21:05 (four years ago) link
thus signaling to millions of other minorities that it's okay to sit out this election.
What were you saying like two days ago about depriving voters of agency when you talk about the effect of leaders and endorsements?
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 13 April 2020 21:05 (four years ago) link
yeah what
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Monday, 13 April 2020 21:05 (four years ago) link
anyway, if she’s not in a swing state good for her.and if she is, welp that her business.
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Monday, 13 April 2020 21:07 (four years ago) link
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z),Monday, April 13, 2020 5:05 PM
the two things can exist at the same time!
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 April 2020 21:07 (four years ago) link
It's not 'signalling' FFS it's her opinion, and yes outside of twitter she won't be known.
The activists that went out for Bernie won't be sweating for Biden. It will probably be ok xps
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 13 April 2020 21:08 (four years ago) link
Or a lot of them anyway.
and if she is, welp that her business.
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will),Monday, April 13, 2020 2:07 PM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink
sorry but if you tweet something it's no longer just your business
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 13 April 2020 21:08 (four years ago) link
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn),Monday, April 13, 2020 4:40 PM (twenty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
if it was messianism—a mischaracterization that Biden et al certainly milked for all it was worth—it would stand to reason that she (and others) woud simply follow suit with endorsements. If anything her tweet bolsters the "not me, us" message of the campaign.
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 13 April 2020 21:09 (four years ago) link
you’re right she should definitely know her place and keep her vote to herself if she doesn’t want to support... Joe Biden
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Monday, 13 April 2020 21:10 (four years ago) link
my god
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VII
I heard this in 2016 too from his most fervent supporters, and it's clever.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 April 2020 21:12 (four years ago) link
Anyway strictly in terms of negotiating strategy it's incumbent on her to compensate proprtionately for Bernie's (also strategic) endorsement
why would she just jump on board? Bernie needs her (and others) to preserve their leverage while he plays nice
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 13 April 2020 21:12 (four years ago) link
it's not like they didn't discuss this
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 13 April 2020 21:14 (four years ago) link
Risking four more years of Trump = a boon for the coming socialist revolution? That's quite the wager.
― coviderunt omnes (pomenitul), Monday, 13 April 2020 21:16 (four years ago) link
People really hate her. There are an awful lot of people on Twitter who desperately wish she fit the BernieBro stereotype, and so brand every criticism or interaction with another candidate, no matter how anodyne, as hideously toxic.
― JoeStork, Monday, 13 April 2020 21:17 (four years ago) link
Third Way to Bernie supporters, all year long no matter what: you must be in a cult, no one can possibly be fervent about ideas
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 13 April 2020 21:19 (four years ago) link
It's fucking APRIL but "my god, praise Joe Biden now or TRUMP in seven months!"
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 13 April 2020 21:20 (four years ago) link
the only thing her twitter persona affects is the direction of her career. if she's going to be writing intercept posts again in a week, why would anyone expect her to endorse biden? are we waiting for a glenn greenwald endorsement too?
― iatee, Monday, 13 April 2020 21:22 (four years ago) link
― coviderunt omnes (pomenitul),Monday, 13 April 2020 bookmarkflaglink
That's your imagination doing more work than it should.
Brianna wants medicare and fair taxes. She isn't getting it.
Equally Trump isn't a fascist.
The conclusion is to sit this one out. Sober, like I said.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 13 April 2020 21:22 (four years ago) link
Personally, I would not expect the average Bernie supporter to endorse Joe Biden. I would simply hope they would make the effort to vote in November and silently, with some feelings of bitterness, vote for Biden at the same time. Announcing you "do not endorse Biden" is not the same as announcing you will not vote for him, but in this instance, given her position, its timing and its tone, it will be widely understood as her endorsing the idea of deliberately not voting for Biden.
― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 13 April 2020 21:30 (four years ago) link
Fuck Biden, but even his subpar deportations freeze policy would be a huge step up for undocumented immigrants, among others.
xp
― coviderunt omnes (pomenitul), Monday, 13 April 2020 21:31 (four years ago) link
If you think there would be a freeze on deportations then I don't know what to tell you.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 13 April 2020 21:33 (four years ago) link
Fair enough.
― coviderunt omnes (pomenitul), Monday, 13 April 2020 21:34 (four years ago) link
Not endorsing anyone is in no way the same as telling people not to vote for a candidate, let alone not to vote at all.
I would think very very few people who support any politician's platforms would follow that politician on social media, let alone individual members of their campaign.
― donald failson (sic), Monday, 13 April 2020 21:36 (four years ago) link
Seven months of pretending that a 50-year political career was an aberration and what he really believes and intends to do in office are a litany of policies that lie in direct opposition to that career.
Gonna be exhausting for some of you.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 13 April 2020 21:37 (four years ago) link
for ppl who care so much about moving the overton window you're awfully cynical when there's evidence it is moving
― Mordy, Monday, 13 April 2020 21:40 (four years ago) link
evidence is now politicians saying something during a campaign
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Monday, 13 April 2020 21:46 (four years ago) link
Not even convincingly saying something. M460YOs just doesn’t have a ring to it.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 13 April 2020 21:48 (four years ago) link