rona moved in: ilx0rs with the bug report on their progress

aka beefarona

emma b: lovely-haired (καλλιπλόκαμος kalliplókamos)

madchen: beautiful-cheeked (καλλιπάρῃος kallipárēios)

stet: conductor of men (διάκτορος diáktoros)

tracer hand: man of twists and turns (πολύ-τροπος polú-tropos)

mrs g: bright-eyed (γλαυκ-ῶπις)

someone was saying stevie had it too?

Haha I love that you included me in the list (and thanks for all the wishes) but when I said it was very mild and gone in a week, I meant it was like a cold with a bit of extra fatigue. The only reason I think I had it was I came down with it at exactly the same time as Stet, with the same symptoms, but I had it at about 5% strength. For which I am very grateful.

exillors

stet when do you feel like you can go to the shops? i don’t have major symptoms any more so according to the NHS 111 website i can go, but it feels.. weird? i really need to though. grocery delivery in london is literally impossible. we’ve been leaning on friends but they have been rubbish at actually reading what’s on our list and actually getting that thing. no, alpro coconut-apricot yogurt is not the same as “plain yogurt”.

they evidently use the ocado substitutes app

and stevie himself said he had it (or assumed he had)

Having been in a supermarket a few days ago the last thing I wanted to do was stand over a metallic fridge with other people looming over it for too long (people wearing gloves FFS and completely failing to respect other people's personal space). You probably have to take into account that "get the fuck out of this shop as quickly as possible" is very high on people's priority list.

I dunno if this is the same all over London right now but Sainsbury's delivery slots appear to be freeing up a bit more?

Grocery deliveries from not-supermarkets seem like they are more possible? We were in receipt of a massive box of vegetables this morning (ordered from some local firm on Thursday IIRC) which will keep us going for a week at least. And our local butcher is doing decent looking boxes of meat, though we've a freezerful to work through before we start doing that.

so is there somewhere you can check in to find what local non-supermarket places do deliveries? i only know the names (and sometimes only the locations) of the ones quite nearby, which mostly don't so far

I hate to say it, because Facebook neighborhood groups are the worst thing ever, but such local fb groups might actually be good for finding that kind of thing, if you have a decent-sized one for wherever you live and can stomach searching through the curtain-twitching and worse. The big group for my local area has had some good tips lately amidst all the usual nonsense.

I've seen a couple of sites covering South London, which as we know is the important bit. This one's a blog I follow anyway and seems to do some of the job. I don't know if there's a more authoritative single source: https://www.rocketandsquash.com/eating-in-in-the-time-of-covid-19-ingredient-shopping/

ok i might try asking my local whatsapp group, which is much less awful than the FB groups seem to be -- it's heavy on info to help the vulnerable* and so far very light on performative crackpot stasi beef

*i am not really in a vulnerable group (until my birthday lol) but i guess the info would generally be helpful

We got a massive double fruit/veg box plus milk, bread, eggs and butter from Knock Knock. Quality was decent, if not the stuff I’d usually have chosen. For anyone in the Peckham area, Khan’s on Rye Lane are doing deliveries.

Bizarrely, jaguarshoes - next day delivery, we ordered after the cut off last night and it still turned up at 2pm today - they even made a second delivery last week to drop off the bread they forgot in the first one:

https://jaguarshoescollective.bigcartel.com/

jaguar shoes? Were you ordering negronis??

The advice is that seven days after the fever goes you're safe, but since I never had a fever it's shruggy-emoji time for me. I've been out to a shop once and was almost phobically distanced all the time I was there. Madchen is working on masks; will feel a lot happier when I have one of those on.

there seems to be confusion about this. I’ve heard both from a person on the NHS 111 service as well as from the nurses that gave Emma her blood oxygen tests that it’s 7 days from when you first got symptoms, and after that, if you don’t have symptoms, you no longer need to self-isolate. they are vague about this on the official page:


https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/self-isolation-advice/

FWIW, on this side of the pond the CDC advises people to stay home for 72 hours after fever has disappeared and when all other symptoms (shortness of breath, cough) have also disappeared.

What do the Taiwanese health services say? I'd follow their advice, personally.

tracer i dug up some delivery possibilities (i have tried none of these but various friends suggested them inc.mr farrell above -- some are uk-wide but we think most shd cover yr part of east london?) (crossposted on the "bring me soup mfers" london quarantine distress thread also):

Crosstown
Dishpatch
HG Walter
Jaguar shoes
Natoora
Pale green dot

Aha! mark thank you!!

deliveroo and uber eats were also mentioned in the relevant whatsapp discussion, leading to a squabble abt the respective ethics of using each lol

A london-living acquaintance has had symptoms uncannily similar to mine/TH and just tested C19 positive which is probably the closest I'm going to get a test myself any time soon.

Progress-wise I think I'm pretty much over it. Don't much fancy a trip to the gym yet, but no active complaints or anything. So, hurrah, I guess.

good to hear, stet

Do ya feel indestructible now? Like you can hug anyone you want?

I've been frustrated because I've had mild chest pain coming and going for about five days now, and no fever for six. Since I technically still have symptoms, I'm staying in... but if I had these symptoms during ordinary times they wouldn't stop me from going out. My phone tracked about 5 miles' walking/day for the week before I developed symptoms, and now it's around 0.2. Granted I had been walking more because 1) walking is good and 2) there wasn't a whole lot else to do... but now there's less.

I realize these are pretty minor problems compared to what others have been facing, including in this thread. But I'm antsy. Like I was listening to the Rolling Stones doing "She's So Cold," and it was like it was about not being able to go outside, a kid cooped up too long. My energy level must be good, anyway!

So indestructable. I even ate indie fried chicken from the scary shop last night.

On the other hand, I'm just waiting for the "study shows Covid survivors are at massively increased risk of X" news to drop now.

i’m so glad you’re feeling better<3

cheers stet

Yay!

yes great news stet. Do you have any symptoms at all still? I still feel dehydrated all the time, more than a week after shaking the fever. And I still have the ringing in my ears.

the ringing has gone right down but still there if I concentrate, and I'm still get tired much quicker than before when exercising but that's about it

i biked for 15 minutes yesterday and played ping pong with my annoyingly skilled 11-y-o and that night slept for 10 hours.

Glad that the worst us over for you both

still get tired much quicker than before

altogether understandable after what the virus put your body through. great to hear how much better you're doing.

Yeah, great to hear recovery stories

glad you're both well on the way to recovery, stet and tracer

i'm a lot more certain now that mrs g probably has the 'rona than i was the last time i posted itt - we're now on day 12 of likely infection and she spent a few days at the start of week two with a bit of a cough and she was struggling for breath when she did any kind of moving around, which according to the doc she spoke to on 111 is a pretty common second-week progression

it's eased off a bit now she's exhausted all the time and her temperature remains a bit elevated, although not quite high enough to be feverish

still no way to know wtf is actually happening to her, of course, but the length of the time she's been unwell is really unusual for her, and the 111 experts seemed fairly sure that she was showing the symptoms of a mild case

thankfully i'm still not showing symptoms, and at this stage i think it's getting less and less likely that i will, so i've been able to look after my daughter and her but, man, even a much milder case than tracer of stet's really sucks!

i would say don't be spooked by the week 2 dip but pay close attention and if the breathing thing gets significantly worse you should call your GP. there are clinics you can go to in order to get blood oxygen and lung capacity checked.

my wife found it really helped to sit up rather than lie down, and to do gentle exercises that would open up her chest, i.e. holding her hands above her head and breathing deeply.

Blowing up ballons (a tip I read about in the Guardian that seems to have some early backing in pneumonia studies) also helped me. Wishing you both well BG!

^^ my nurse wife says "that's a good idea"

thanks folks - i think the worst of the breathlessness is over but the exhaustion remains

i got an incentive spirometer for her from amazon to try and help her recovery but she doesn’t seem to think she needs it

Very good news :)

tragically i cannot return it to amazon for a refund so i guess keeping three plastic balls in the air with the power of my lungs is my new lockdown hobby

bg, glad to hear your wife is making progress, even if slowly.

my wife found it really helped to sit up rather than lie down, and to do gentle exercises that would open up her chest, i.e. holding her hands above her head and breathing deeply.

This mirrors my experience: I've woken up, lying on my back, with the chest pain; then it tends to lessen when I'm more upright, not leaning back in my chair, etc. It's still disconcerting that I'm on day 8 of mostly just chest pains (day 13 of symptoms overall) which waver from day to day rather than diminishing over time. But it's reassuring to know that the unpredictability is similar for others.