have you quit the labour party yet?

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I've not seen any signs of buyer's remorse from any Kier voters yet. If *this* is what they actually I'm amazed they stuck with Corbyn for so long. But I suppose that is the nature of apolitical happy clappers.

onboard/contained

I think many of them had contaminated 99's from Owen Smith's Mr Melty ice cream van.

Somewhere between wavering and never - I think it's ony prudent to see how things play out but I don't have high hopes.

Even if you had low hopes they pretty much got dashed yesterday! I thought there might be some Kier voters despairing at a shadow cab with Streeting and JP.

messaging w/ ppl and I can tell they're hoping I'm going to offer some rousing morale-boosting sentiments and I'm just holding off on saying "mb see how it's going in 4-10 years??"

I think that timescale might be oppomistic, but these aren't ordinary times.. You never know.

Phone typing whilst walking!

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That one's a doozy! But Sir Kier is offering Jimmy Savile badges to nurses tbf!

Keir's letter was only the start of it....

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Fucking lol

‘The Labour Party’ isn’t a person. It doesn’t care if you break up with it. It isn’t going to change its ways because you sulk and refuse to talk to it for a year.

— Jeremy Gilbert (@jemgilbert) April 13, 2020

By the time my trade union processes the necessary paperwork for my subs to be switched to the non-affiliated political fund, the world as we currently understand it won't exist anyway

― Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Thursday, 9 April 2020 23:21 (four days ago) bookmarkflaglink

Turns out Emilie Oldknow is their Assistant General Secretary now, so I guess there's a quicker solution

xp he's right, it's not going to change its ways

what's the new party going to be called* then lads

*at this point the name is probably the most important bit. don't fuck this up whatever you do. examples of fuck-ups: 'momentum'; 'society'; 'people's party'

The Workshy Allstar Teadrinker's Society of North

missy eliot's song 'fremme neppa venette'

The Dangerous Alliance

needs to have a party crest with a guillotine on it.

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melts

I didn't vote (because I don't vote in polls almost never) but this is really good.

When a left-wing friend stood for election in my union, he had massive support. His opponent had none. On the day of the election, the right-wing branch said there’s an allegation of corruption against him. No details were given, but “we must suspend the election for a month”.

— Tony Collins (@_tony_c_) April 14, 2020

can't remember if i voted in this or not but -- im not going anywhere yet, although the sub fees would be handy for a sandwich. But I'll wait til the NEC vote at least, and/or Suck Here goes full mask off.

I suppose Magid Magid could always Green leader

with no conference this year is there anything to even do as members

Forward Momentum Vs Renewal Momentum poll

fwd ftw

yeah it's a weird contest but it's no contest

Our fantastic new Shadow Cabinet are also going to be running a series of online policy discussions

lol I'm still getting emails in my junk folder from Sir K despite cancelling the dd months ago. Maybe you shouldn't have put Reeves in there if "fantastic" was your goal, arsehole! I agree with what reeves said in 2015 now tbf, Labour isn't the party for the likes of me at all anymore... no problemo.. bye !

This person has criticised forward momentum here a bit.

https://tribunemag.co.uk/2020/05/where-momentum-went-wrong

I really like this piece.

Yeah I saw that. I think it's pretty astute on how momentum fitted into the UK left over the last decade, the changes and continuity, and some of the structural problems given the nature of the org. I think he tends towards a narrow prescriptive - 'rigorous'! - workerism that has no chance of building an effective coalition though.

I am not sure what could build an effective coalition but I liked most of his five points. Good luck to him.

I'm just thinking that the vagueness/openness of Momentum was a big part of what made it unique and large, the narrower it gets, the more it becomes like just another pre-2015 leftist org. the fourth and fifth points seem like vague dreams rather than plans (if there's one thing I've learned about 'the masses' it's that they don't exist), but the third seems clearly right to me. I think there's a balance between decentralization on one hand and having some high profile figure heads to keep some good energy going at a national level, but building better-organised central bodies for educating ppl/dealing with trade unions etc. seems unappealing to me as a main focus, even if it might be necessary. the best momentum things imo were just creating ways for people to network and get involved as they saw fit.

The 4th is a bit of a non-starter. I read the 5th as developing responses to how the right utilise the at times positives that people can throw at things, such as 'flexible working' and the like.

the biggest problem with all of this is still the assumption that working with Labour is still necessary or desirable (or that it ever was tbh)

if the legacy of corbynism becomes people who once knew better banging their heads against the wall of this miserable party for the rest of their lives then what a disaster

why are even the "radical" parts of the UK Left so damn conservative

xxp if that means reworking/redefining flexible working into something un-shit rather than telling ppl they are wrong for wanting it then I am onboard. reading 'mass engagement in community organisation' just makes my eyes glaze over though at this point.

David Evans

fuck this clown car party

At this point I don't give a shit about Labour getting into power any more, fucking Starmer regime is going to be even closer to Blairism than Milliband was. Starmer has made me despise them more than the Tories tbh

some of the worst Tories in this country are basically 80% of this cunt's shadow cabinet

New: David Evans just hosted a Zoom all for staff alongside Starmer and Rayner. He said:

- Labour must get back to winning elections
- wants to professionalise HQ
- accepts there's a diversity issue and wants to make it a key indicator of his performance

there is an incredibly intelligent idea, try and win an election rather than fucking sabotage and undermine an election campaign and the leader at every opportunity ... fucking tool

Don't know who Evans is. Who is he? What does he know? Does he know things? We may never know.

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he's got a winning mentality and he evolves ..he doesn't revolve... tbh all I can add is he is a melt and looks like a complete twat!

I'm sure his hair has sealed the deal with Starmer.

"must get back to winning elections" has always meant "...by becoming conservative party lite" and no difference now.

Now is not the time to point fingers about the annexation of Naboo. I propose that we work with our learned friends from the Trade Federation on a comprehensive inquiry into these allegations pic.twitter.com/xWvoAvbobh

— Professor Piss Shitty (@DrFuck_) May 27, 2020

should i see professor piss shitty's other tweets (as found at the @DrFuck account)

They have deliberately barred progressive wards from meeting, citing vague "recruitment irregularities", they have deselected left candidates, they have distanced themselves from trade unions - they have done far far more to actively undermine the politically organised left in this country than any Tory has even dreamed of

People will say ‘where’s your backbone?’ but we employ teams of people and have families to support.

Absolutely baffling line of defense. Can't think of another country where failing to stand up for the ideals you got voted in for is met with a "listen, we got mouths to feed".

Despicable, like any of these cunts are going to struggle to find cushy jobs if they're no longer MPs.

Despicable, like any of these cunts are going to struggle to find cushy jobs if they're no longer MPs.

And I third what these two gentlemen have just said.

I’m sure Luciana is hiring over at InHouse:

https://inhouse.london/informed/inhouse-hires-former-labour-mp-luciana-berger-as-new-ceo/

Richard Burgon has a similar analysis. “When we hopefully get into power, we’re going to inherit a mess, and the left can play an important role in developing the ideas to help Labour meet the challenge it faces in office. We believe we can be useful for that end and have a significant input,” the SCG MP says.

“The left needs to have confidence in its ideas. Some of the stuff [Tony] Blair’s government did, particularly in its first term, like the national minimum wage and devolution, it was a lot of the stuff Tony Benn and the wider left had been talking about in the 20 or 30 years before. We’re not seeking to be oppositional; we’re seeking to be propositional.”

I know that this kind of talk is largely tactical, and they started doing it when Corbyn still was leader as a way of selling policies that opponents were trying to frame as extreme, but the amount of time some people on the left spend talking about the progressive aspects of the 1997-2001 Labour govt seems like a telling sign of how bad things are for the left at the moment

it's a shame the CPoGB are so so shit, it should be a boom membership period for them with all these angry young commies about. but none of the smart and angry ones would touch 'em with a bargepole it seems. I'm guessing they have always been bad, at least since they supported the Molotov/Ribbentrop carve up of Poland. I tried to join them one night when I was a bit drunk and their system took a £1 admin fee off me without sending a confirmation email to me. That's not going to bring down capitalism to its knees!