rolling “Trump is gonna win” containment thread

I think enthusiasm for a candidate augurs success more often than people hating their opponent

Hillary would’ve made a better president and seemed smart and alert and awake but ppl hated her guts and they don’t feel the same about Biden

she did seem alert and awake! and sadly those do put her in another league, as a candidate

xp i call out people on the literally thing too. but the thing is, when i see donald trump, i see a big pile of shit with steam coming off of it, with a little crevice in the side moving up and down in time with the words that he speaks. he literally is a steaming pile of shit, and apparently 53% of voters also see it

Not that I disagree

In a just world, Hillary would be a stronger candidate than Biden, and I say that as someone who doesn't like Hillary much. But Biden Obama's VP and a good ole white guy.

it's up to Biden to fuck it up, and I trust he can do it.

yeah, i mean i'm not going to complain if you call donald trump literally a steaming pile of shit, but to call hillary clinton literally a steaming pile of shit seems slightly... hyperbolic?

I wouldn't bet a dollar on the outcome. I've generally thought GENERIC DEMOCRAT would win for the last couple of years and Trump will win people were just doomsayers, but so much of Trump's insanity seems to have been normalized and Biden is such a uniquely terrible candidate (we haven't even gotten to the BURISMA BURISMA BURISMA stage of things) that I wouldn't begin to guess how this will turn out.

but to call hillary clinton literally a steaming pile of shit seems slightly... hyperbolic?

yes, this is the part where i made a mistake, i readily admit

oh wait, and i called biden a literally steaming pile of shit, too.

welp

look in the time of coronavirus, etc etc, mistakes are made

Everyone who voted for the Iraq war is a steaming pile of shit

let me fix this for the record: we're faced with a decision between a literally steaming pile of shit and a figuratively steaming pile of shit. in 2016 the choice was between a literally steaming pile of shit and however we want to figuratively refer to hillary clinton

firm, but fair

Hillary would’ve made a better president and seemed smart and alert and awake but ppl hated her guts and they don’t feel the same about Biden

this is my one hope for 2020, people were mobilized to vote against Hillary in ways they won't be for Biden. I had coworkers who hated her guts for no discernable reason. we rag on the GOP for the way they fired off bad-faith attacks on her for 20 years but it sure as hell paid off

I wouldn't bet a dollar on the outcome. I've generally thought GENERIC DEMOCRAT would win for the last couple of years and Trump will win people were just doomsayers, but so much of Trump's insanity seems to have been normalized and Biden is such a uniquely terrible candidate (we haven't even gotten to the BURISMA BURISMA BURISMA stage of things) that I wouldn't begin to guess how this will turn out.

well the fact that "the president doesn't have a functioning brain" is now normalized is probably a point in favor of Biden now, sadly. by and large this is just what we've always known, most voters don't care about racism, corruption, lying, dead people in foreign countries, etc. etc...but once they start losing their jobs and having people they know die as a direct result of the President's incompetence, things might change. murdering 1,500,000 brown people on false pretenses didn't hurt GWB. the financial crisis and Katrina did.

I honestly don’t think Trump comes off as nearly as senile as Biden. We’re mostly judging him on content but he’s still a pretty confident speaker. Biden genuinely sounds like my 92-year old grandfather in the final year ‘decline phase.’

is this also the thread for "we're gonna have a Republican judiciary + sham elections for the rest of our lives"

however we want to figuratively refer to hillary clinton

― let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone)

if you're asking my preference, i would prefer we not refer to hillary clinton, figuratively or otherwise. that's probably not a reasonable request, but it just seems like picking at an old wound that will fucking never heal over.

is this also the thread for "we're gonna have a Republican judiciary + sham elections for the rest of our lives"

― lukas

i feel like we should have a separate thread for long-term doom-mongering and we could try to keep this to 2020-only doom-mongering? but it's not my thread.

HRC is a white supremacist mass murderer who is partly responsible for this shitshow why should she get a pass

So good to finally have someone on this board who can weigh in from The Left.

HRC is a white supremacist mass murderer who is partly responsible for this shitshow why should she get a pass

shit really? Perhaps there should be some congressional hearings.

I honestly don’t think Trump comes off as nearly as senile as Biden. We’re mostly judging him on content but he’s still a pretty confident speaker. Biden genuinely sounds like my 92-year old grandfather in the final year ‘decline phase.’

― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, April 9, 2020 2:52 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

i agree. i think it's hard to imagine Biden beating anyone but 799 people died in my state today of the virus trump was denying was a problem about a month ago so WHO KNOWS

Dumb asshole is gonna win, ffs

This site has enough rolling 77 threads for griping.

The thread title says what it’s for, it’s for this, so it doesn’t go in other threads

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWFrynfU4AASTY5?format=jpg&name=medium

Low numbers for Biden in both Trust and Don't Trust, so he does have room to improve if he's able to become more visible

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWFrynfU4AASTY5?format=jpg&name=medium

its tough when every major news network gives a free 2 hour commercial to your opponent every single night

in the main, no one's listening to whatever Biden says about covid-19, because he's not in a position to affect anything about it. people know that he's mostly irrelevant on that subject. it doesn't help that what he does manage to say is neutral boilerplate, stuff like 'I'd take effective action' that means nothing at all. I'd bet most of those trust vs. don't trust responders wouldn't be able to cite anything he said; it's just the usual tribal identification.

We should get Joe some of the shit from Flowers for Algernon

he does have room to improve if he's able to become more visible

Also room to get worse. Seriously, I would be all over a GoFundMe to (1) buy that man a teleprompter, (2) pay a trusted advisor to keep him on script, and (3) get some of them Deepfake tech whizzes to mock up some coherent speeches using his generically likable face.

he's gonna win every goddamn state https://t.co/RggsWIJkDH

— Andros of the Embers (@allahliker) April 21, 2020

of course he is

pic.twitter.com/cU6gIdMgGi

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 20, 2020

i forgot how wildly popular the initial travel ban and the wall and border separations were, everyone loved all that shit, this guy's totally right.

did we really need a new thread just for disgruntled sanders people to talk up trump?

I'd really like to see Biden put out an ad collecting all the times Trump made it sound like he wanted to fuck his daughter.

Trump is going to be president until we're all dead.

He'll never do it xp

ukilxors can't even be trusted to predict the results of uk elections

Trump is going to be president until we're all dead.

― Vegemite Is My Grrl (Eric H.)

only if he literally kills me

(xp) Not sure many, if any, predicted Corbyn would win tbf.

i remember the optimism during his campaign certainly from this point (8 months out from the election)

How Optimistic Are You?

The optimism was always qualified. Not that it matters as to whether I'll copy and paste some fun tweets xp

uk ilxors weren't stupid for hoping and people who are despairing right now aren't stupid for despairing

you can come up with another word for 'believes that election results aren't likely to be correlated w/ polling data'.

young voters are undercounted because they don’t use landlines, i totally read that

fwiw I do not currently think trump is going to win, I think Dobbs backlash will sweep Biden back into office with congressional majorities and almost nothing else matters

I never cared for what they say.

ty silby!

also possibly weighing on 2scoops' mind re jail is (he maybe ordered, or at least was in the know regarding?) his buddy jeff epstein's demise

total MacBeth moment

Well that would be one heck of a plot twist.

the MAGAts would refuse to admit he's dead and still vote for his corpse of course

A corpse is corpse of course of course
And no one can vote for a corpse of course

is A

I don't like the fact that the news is hyperfixated on him but I understand it. I mean it's not just an ex-President on trial, it's an ex-President and the CURRENT Republican nominee, who may well become President again. and what he's on trial for isn't just normal white-collar fraud, it's something that may well have changed the result of the 2016 election. to say nothing of the OTHER trials he's facing related to his attempt to overturn the 2020 election, including inciting an insurrection at the Capitol. if he skates from all this and becomes President again it seems like the sort of thing America can't come back from. I know it's sickening to have to think about him all the time but this is THE story right now, is it now?

Yeah we're stuck in Trump World in the media at least through the end of the year. Whether it gets renewed for another 4 seasons is TBD.

(Doesn't mean we have to immerse ourselves in it personally, but raging against his omnipresence is futile for now.)

it's renewed indefinitely whether he wins or loses. until he dies.

if he lives to 108 he'll still be launching campaigns

porn star. hush money. election fraud. uhhhhh, these networks don't make much money. you gotta give them this one.

we could have the first SOTA where they have to have a 30 minute break to have a nurse change the President

on some level you almost have to marvel how cable news has become the WWF and 2scoops is king heel kayfabe

porn star. hush money. election fraud. uhhhhh, these networks don't make much money. you gotta give them this one.

"We didn't start the fire..."

I got King Crimson:
"... cigarettes, ice cream, figurines of the Virgin Mary ..."

it's renewed indefinitely whether he wins or loses. until he dies.

I mean, Trump will always be news at some level. But if he loses in November he's done as a central fixation for a lot of people. He'll continue to cultivate his followers for fleecing, but he'll mostly make headlines when he gets convicted or acquitted of things.

If he wins, obviously he returns to center-of-the-universe status. BUT, I really do think the lame-duck syndrome will settle in faster than he expects. Especially because he will be so predictably disastrous and embarrassing. And he'll probably end up impeached again within two years because he just can't help it.

yeah but Project 2025

I mean, Trump will always be news at some level. But if he loses in November he's done as a central fixation for a lot of people.

I hope we can be so lucky, but I'm skeptical. There is still a lot of fucking media people out there who won't be able to quit themselves from covering every grievance and whine he sharts out.

That prarie-faced fuckwad John Kasich just predicted that the Democrats will win the House in November "by a substantial majority, more than people expect" at the moment while the GOP picks up the Senate.

yeah but Project 2025

Like everything these crackpots dream up, a lot easier to say than do. Not that they won't try! And not that they won't do damage. But even assuming that Trump can stick to any particular plan with any level of discipline at all, I think his capacity to deliver is let's say unproven.

I mean, working for the federal govt under a 2nd Trump term will be even more miserable, terrible and crazy-making than it was during the first one. Not trying to minimize that. I just think he's a bit of a, if not paper tiger, old, fat and easily distracted tiger. Who is also congenitally incapable of delegating anything without second-guessing whoever he delegates it to as soon as he thinks they look bad on TV.

if he loses in November he's done as a central fixation for a lot of people.

he'll mostly make headlines when he gets convicted or acquitted of things.

I think his capacity to deliver is let's say unproven.

it's not him I'm worried about, it's the people who plan on putting P25 in place regardless of what he does

Yeah but that's the thing, there is no version of Trump in charge where there are people just going about putting their own agendas in place. He's the one who would have to drive it, he doesn't let anyone else do ANYTHING for very long without throwing them under the bus. And if he doesn't personally care about something, and there's not much he does care about, he's not going to the mat for it because of any ideological principle. He doesn't have any.

I'm not saying don't worry be happy. But having watched how things have played out since 2020, I'm way less persuaded we're on the verge of authoritarian takeover at the national level than I was in 2021 in the immediate aftermath of Jan. 6.

My concerns about authoritarian takeovers at the state level in red states has only increased, however.

Yeah I wouldn’t be so sure the Stephen Millers and Christian Nationalists and forced birth fetishists wont get their way.

They'll obviously be way more catered to under Trump than Biden. He'll issue a bunch of executive orders to make them happy, some of which will survive court challenges. It will be bad! He definitely shouldn't be president again. But he'll also be a lame duck immediately, his popularity ratings will never get close to 50 percent and probably will fall lower than they did in his first term as everyone remembers what it's like to have him as president, and a whole bunch of people in both parties are going to be jockeying to be next in line from day one.

Christian Nationalists in particular face the perennial problem that only like 20 percent of the country wants to live in their demented theocracy.