like, i'm not usually personally invested in the music i listen to the way for instance imago gets. if you want to talk shit about robert wyatt and be, like, "well i don't know what makes what he does any better than richard sinclair", no skin off my nose
but for me, the way i feel about octo octa's music is inextricable from my lived experience as a transgender woman. you don't get it? fine. just, you know, maybe use a little more sensitivity in how you express that, because it's really easy for me to read a lot of things into that expression that are dismissive of that lived experience, which i'm certain you're not intending to do.
― Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 30 March 2020 21:22 (three months ago) link
I don't mean my criticisms to come off as dismissive of trans experience and I feel terrible that you would interpret it as such, apologies rush
― boxedjoy, Monday, 30 March 2020 21:33 (three months ago) link
― Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 30 March 2020 22:04 (three months ago) link
I don't come to this music for the reason I come to, like, Objekt or something but I sure saw both Objekt and OO/ED at the same festival!
― mh, Monday, 30 March 2020 22:18 (three months ago) link
I hoped that a full rip would surface - I missed the first 30 mins or so and didn't think it had worked at all, but in fact I got the last 3 hours. It's a bit big for me to upload uncompressed (2.8gb) but if anyone wants the video and has a preferred reasonable bitrate I'm happy to convert when I get some time.
In the meantime I made a V0 mp3, send me your email through ilx webmail if you want a link.
― toby, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 19:50 (three months ago) link
The YouTube video is working again, the first minute has been muted to resolve the copyright issue
― I am using your worlds, Friday, 3 April 2020 10:23 (two months ago) link
Also, new Octo Octa mixtape on Bandcamp
― I am using your worlds, Friday, 3 April 2020 10:24 (two months ago) link
oh rock on, i'm glad they got it working!
― Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 3 April 2020 14:30 (two months ago) link
also glad i could actually buy this physical... i suspect it'll sell out quick...
― Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 3 April 2020 14:33 (two months ago) link
have spent some more time thinking about this thread. i feel a lot of guilt whenever i pull out the "lived experience" card, not that i wasn't honest about it because i was, but i try not to do it lightly and i try to adequately explain it whenever i to. and i'm not sure i did.
i feel like i have this issue relating critically to a lot of creative work. i experience it in a context that is fundamentally different from how other people experience it. the temptation is to say that one context is more important than the other, but i don't think that's true. it's just hard to reach that state of irreconcilability.
i've quit watching doctor who completely because of the way the people on the doctor who thread approach the show. i don't think that's what any of the posters there want. i also don't think any of the posters there are wrong in their fundamental approach! chris chibnall is a hack writer who writes stories that work on a superficial level and still have lots of plot holes and incongruities. what was frustrating to me though is that i saw something _else_ in the show, something that was more important to me than his shit writing, something that rendered his shit writing completely irrelevant to me. and i couldn't explain to anybody else on the thread what it was i saw, why it was watching the show invigorated me so much, and every time i watched the show i wanted to talk about how much i loved it, and everybody else was talking about how shit it was, and it was so demoralizing i gave up.
anyway, i don't _know_ if octo octa and eris drew are anything better than mediocre as house music djs. i think they're pretty damn good myself, but i don't know any of the songs they're playing, have never heard them before, don't know how any of the other people do it. i know a little bit about house music, but i don't know nearly as much about it as i do about, say, prog rock, or about doctor who.
or about being trans. i can't talk about their music without talking about being trans, because they're both extremely clear about what it is they're trying to do and why they're trying to do it. and i can't speak for anybody else, trans or otherwise, but i can say, with reasonable certainty, that i understand pretty well what they're trying to do, and that they are exceptionally good at it.
i get annoyed at hyperbolic praise myself. we've all had a good laugh at the garden state "the shins will change your life" bullshit, i mean seriously the fucking _shins_? on the other hand, fuck it, the shins probably did change someone's life, right? probably made as much difference to theirs as octo octa and eris drew have made to mine. someone, somewhere, saw a shins concert and just cried for three days straight and came to some hard understandings about their life that they didn't have the words to explain. and it doesn't make the shins not a mediocre indie band, and it doesn't invalidate their lived experience for me to think of the shins as a mediocre indie band.
― Kate (rushomancy), Saturday, 4 April 2020 16:36 (two months ago) link
Thank you for writing that wonderful post.
― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Saturday, 4 April 2020 18:45 (two months ago) link
Thanks Kate, and I’m glad you managed to get a copy of the tape!
― I am using your worlds, Saturday, 4 April 2020 18:54 (two months ago) link
lol the shins
― plax (ico), Saturday, 4 April 2020 18:59 (two months ago) link
Aww, thank you y'all.
― Kate (rushomancy), Saturday, 4 April 2020 19:17 (two months ago) link
this mix is fucking excellent
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 5 April 2020 19:18 (two months ago) link
btw Kate (and everyone else) this art of the DJ on RA with Eris is really great:
― Heavy Messages (jed_), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 23:24 (one month ago) link