star wars 9 spoilers and postmortem shit talk

jrrsplaining itt smdh

Eh, only technically, there is a very big difference in that George Lucas was working on all three of them, whereas there really was supposed to be a new guiding artistic vision on each of the three new ones. Or, 'vision'...

each movie was by a different director, and Lucas didn't have a story planned out ahead of time.

xp i hate richard e grant

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^^^the correct position, get a grip ppl he's bad not good

no

he's great when he's good but he kinda sucked in this, mainly because the character as written is terrible

Lucas planned the first story, and he stayed on to plan out the rest of them. It's not like Richard Marquand could go in and say 'actually, I've always wanted Obi-wan to be Luke's father!'

good things with terrible ham REG being entertaining in them: Withnail & I, How To Get Ahead In Advertising, The Player, karaoke, Cold Lazarus, Franz Kafka's It's A Wonderful Life, Spice World, Doctor Who: The Curse Of Fatal Death (1999), Gosford Park, Can You Ever Forgive Me, his first book, the 2008 Sydney production of My Fair Lady

bad things with REG elevating them via energetic hammery: Hudson Hawk, Pret-A-Porter

good & bad things that he kinda sucks in: Henry & June, Jack & Sarah, Frasier, Doctor Who: The Time Of The Doctor (2013)

Karaoke, not karaoke, though I bet he would be fun at it

Lucas planned the first story, and he stayed on to plan out the rest of them.

JJ Abrams planned the first story, and the Lucasfilm Story Group stayed on to supervise the rest of them. Striking denials are making the analogy become more powerful!

spice world is good i agree (tho he is annoying in it), can't really agree abt any of the rest of that list (some of which i haven't seen tbf and never will: gosford park? just no)

english ppl always suck in us sitcoms, it's the law

I'm trying to think of a better exception than...Peter Serafinowicz in Parks & Rec if that counts

Sic, Lucas doing the first and helping to do the rest is not the same as Abrams doing the first and some others helping to do the rest and it's really weird you can't see that...

It's okay, enjoy your goalpost.

Dude

I believe "Lucas planning the first" was referring to A New Hope

The LucasFilm story group has explained on multiple occasions that they're there to answer questions, point out glaring backstory issues (like if someone says Leia's from Yavin or something), and catalogue all of the new characters/locations/etc. They have as much story direction and veto power as the director and the producers give them, that's about it.

It's not like Richard Marquand could go in and say 'actually, I've always wanted Obi-wan to be Luke's father!'

iirc Leigh Brackett came up with that plot point and it was ok'ed by Lucas. He gets a lot of credit for the broad strokes of the story, but they were... very broad.

it mostly comes down to Lucas being a hands-on producer for eps 4-6 and lucking into decent writers and hiring directors who were very much pros that were there to keep the ship going in the right direction while keeping a high level of craft

I feel like there wasn't a firm hand on the till, although with Disney nudging Kennedy and all the market forces of the modern era in the mix it's a tricky job. Lucas basically had sole proprietorship

of those things that are meant to be good, only gosford parkn is good and none of that is because of richard e grant

of those things that are not good, none of them are improved by richard e grant

the english malkovich, the english spacey. talk slow and someone will fall for it.

if you cant move your fuckin face youre not a fuckin actor

all fair, but the qualification for commanding an Imperial force is that you have to sound like a prick and do it with an English accent iirc

surprised but not shocked that you hate The Player (1992), would not be surprised if you love The Game (1997)

Ralph McQuarrie is the author of the original trilogy

WTF Richard Grant is great I will not hear this

xp fair take imo

that is quality work sic

I feel like there wasn't a firm hand on the till, although with Disney nudging Kennedy and all the market forces of the modern era in the mix it's a tricky job

yeah there were clearly a lot more chefs puttering about in the kitchen on these movies than on the others and it shows. unlike with the marvel movies which emit a consistent grey slush due to hypercompetent management and the DC movies which are all over the place in an occasionally fun or somewhat interesting way because of...I guess a mix of Snyder's psychosis and a wackier batch of characters. IX was just deeply inept, misconceived and rushed really. it really is something how much better-sounding the movie Trevorrow wanted to make was based on the synopsis, I suspect it would still have been visually bleh tho

Richard E. Grant is wonderful in Can You Ever Forgive Me?, and clearly he was hired for this farrago to bring malicious fey Britishes to a ghost role.

I was thinking Herzog would have been fun for that but they cast him in that other thing instead.

terrible decision to halve domhnall in order to foreground yet another nothing character

also, was it left open as to whether reg was in fact a deep rebel agent, because i insist that it was

i am sick enough of star wars that i've started writing my own hatefic spec script, rewriting the prequel trilogy into one movie where the jedi are corrupt and hypocritical pederasts who spend more time fighting each other than opposing the possibly-mythical "sith lords". it's not original by any stretch of the imagination but it's been a lot of fun to write so far! i still have to figure out if/when i can incorporate han, lando, c3po, and r2d2 into it, though

Society-style shunt them into a single character imho

is that a reference to the 1989 brian yuzna film? haven't seen it. or "re-animator". from what i'm reading about it, i'm afraid what i'm doing _really_ isn't that creative.

I ended up watching Rise of Skywalker and re-watching the rest of the sequel trilogy because my kid got into it. TLJ was better than I remembered and ROS was really entertaining. All three of them are far from perfect, but I'm not going to spend my time searching for plot holes or anything.

searching!

searching!

my fuckin telly was swallowed by a fuckin plot hole when put this on

you know i couldn't hit it sideways

just like sister rey said

Can't believe that cavalry charge on the Star Destroyer worked. The ship could have just tipped over slightly and dumped them off!

simplest debunking, good one

finn was using the force to keep it level

you need balance in the force

It took me 5 nights to finish ep ix, but alas I am done with this garbage franchise for good. What a waste of fucking time.

Old news to everyone by now, but this was not good. Even my husband, by far the bigger SW fan of the two of us, confessed to being bored. Abrams directs the whole thing like its one of those garbage SCI-Fi channel movies, while Ford, Hamill, and Williams play their scenes like they're doing walk-ons on Carson's Tonight Show. I'm even kinda rethinking my (admittedly mild) affection for the previous two entries in this trilogy now.

I want that sweet red shirt/black cloak that Palpatine had, though

I watched this last night. It was bad. So many mythos gripes but my main one is the faceless hordes of Sith acolytes (theres only two siths at a time in the previous films) who are also the greatest star destroyer builders in the history of the galaxy

Jedi powers are so extensive in this trilogy.

there are two sith lords at at a time, there were often a shitload of acolytes in old star wars lore

pretty sure it's not a thing now, but there was originally a race of sith, like an entire planet of em

the thing that bugged me was that they decided instead of figuring out what the giant coliseum of sith would look like, they just put vague cloaks everywhere

Yeah I mean the ancient sith lore stuff is fine i guess but where did the emperor rustle up these multitudes? he didnt have any sith acolytes when he was emperor of the galaxy as far as we know

he had those three or four creepy silent dudes behind him in return of the jedi

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Always got strong Perry Farrell vibes from that guy on the right.

one of the funniest things about Star Wars lore is that costume and set designers would come up with all kinds of cool stuff, and at some point someone would want to make a trading card or short story about a background character

if George Lucas was around, they'd ask him. the answers would depend on how sleep-deprived he was

anything that's simple like "that's Bob, he drives a y-wing" would be when he was tired, but if he had a good night's rest, it'd be "yes that's Ookano Labooga, he carves flutes out of petrified Lotharian swampweasels"

I mean, I'd be petrified too!

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