is New York City dead?

little "support" yea/nay button on the right side

my sister just texted me to say "ARE YOU OKAY? TERRIBLE NEWS OUT OF NYC!" and when i asked what she meant she said "28% POSITIVE TESTING RATE IS TERRIBLE" and i got to be like um, yeah, it's a pandemic; gonna go jogging.

I saw a few alarmist tweets about people leaving NYC? What would be the benefit to fleeing, if any?

We’re seeing a lot of flight from the city (especially among those who can afford to go to, say, the Hamptons). I’m not sure what the benefit is, perhaps it’s largely psychological. We’ve seen it in this pandemic, and throughout history. It happened in the medieval plagues, in the plagues in London, as well as many others. People see infection around them, and hope to escape it by fleeing. Instead, they may already be infected and are just bringing it to another place, perhaps even introducing it there.

If, as the tweets you refer to suggest, you can really leave without coming in contact with anyone outside your household and stay inside for 2 weeks, at least you’re not infecting anyone else and that’s an ethical approach. Unfortunately, not everyone will be so scrupulous, so the virus is very likely circulating there anyway. The end result: you’ll probably still be keeping to yourself, but perhaps in nicer surroundings.

However, if I thought I might get sick, I’d rather be somewhere near a good hospital.

Asking "what would be the benefit??!" seems facile? Uh in the country I can have a whole house instead of a couple of rooms, laundry on site, a yard we can go in, a garden where I grow food to eat, two bathrooms (lol), and be with my partner who lives alone when I'm not there, and if he gets ill, would be alone in his house and no one would be able to get to him.

I have largely been up here since around Mar 4 or 5 with only brief visits to the city where I used gloves + wiped down everything + stayed in as much as poss w my whole building doing the same. It's possible I was exposed in those moments but in any case we're both asymptomatic still.

I guess those aren't the reasons rich ppl are "fleeing" tho cause they have the all the luxuries wherever they are.

everyone's situation is different, io, you don't have to explain yourself.

(except that growing yr own food stuff, my god, do you know what century it is? I know, the 11th)

I mean if I fled to my sister's I'd have to take transit for 3 hours. just no way.

Specifically the fresh veg are the thing that we'll be lacking if we can't go to the store at all. We have staples for a long time but it will help to have lettuce & radishes & herbs on hand soon.

I fled with gf to her parents house in the jersey burbs. I expect we'll be here at least a month, probably more though. I have multiple friends in the city who are moderately sick, one degree away from someone who's on oxygen in a hospital.

However, if I thought I might get sick, I’d rather be somewhere near a good hospital.

my driving motivation to flee was 'if I get this I don't want to be on a bed in the javits center'.

Waiting at least a week or so more till we’ve been quarantined we’ll over two weeks and wives parents are the same then maybe going to their house in the jersey burbs. A yard and help with the three year old a big reason, plentiful fridge space. Etc.

they need to figure out health insurance between states.

Checked into leasing a car as a first step to possible fleeing; learned that ny and nj car dealers are among the businesses ordered to be closed (except for repair depts)

someone should start an uber for fleeing the city

I can 100% understand not wanting to fly, Jon, but could you? The few flights that are going appear to be very cheap right now

assuming you're trying to get to minnesota

I'd come get you but it's a bit of a hike

I meant fly as in fly you fools, fly from here
The only conveyance I would consider would be a car
We were just thinking about trying to find some cheap ass month to month thing out of town, and a car is prerequisite to that
Anyway

Oh wait I misread you you were asking if I WOULD fly lol
Gotta bring the 60 lb puppy so plane wouldn’t work

NYT:

All of the city’s more than 1,800 intensive-care beds are expected to be full by Friday, according to an official briefing obtained by The Times. A 1,000-bed hospital ship is not scheduled to arrive until mid-April, but makeshift facilities at the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center could be ready in a week.

hmm yeah, sneaking a puppy that size onto the plane would be tricky

It's hard to pick out the most brutal detail from this overview of Bill de Blasio's horrible March, so I'm just going to go with ... this entire paragraph.https://t.co/t06jHoz8Od pic.twitter.com/KqzEbzXkwU

— Derek Thompson (@DKThomp) March 27, 2020

Too many politicians seem to think their only job is to soothe idiots.

that seems to win elections

New York state on Friday recorded an additional 134 coronavirus deaths, the largest number to date in a 24-hour-period.

As of Friday, 519 people have died statewide. New York state now has 44,635 confirmed cases of COVID-19, an increase of 7,377 overnight.

Speaking from the Javits Center in Manhattan, Governor Cuomo said the news was not unexpected. There are now some coronavirus patients in New York who have spent a month on ventilators.

"The longer you are on a ventilator, the less likely you are going to come off that ventilator," Cuomo said.

Of the total people who have tested positive, 1,583 are in intensive care units, which are hospital beds equipped with ventilators.

The state is aiming to raise the total hospital bed capacity from 53,000 to 140,000. During his press conference at the Javits Center on Friday, Cuomo thanked the team comprised of FEMA, the Army Corps of Engineers and the National Guard that have been retrofitting the convention center into four field hospitals with 1,000 beds. The beds will be used to free up space at existing New York City hospitals.

https://gothamist.com/news/coronavirus-updates-de-blasio-says-half-new-yorkers-will-become-infected-covid-19

cuomo and deblasio should've known better earlier. They aren't the liquidized walnut level of Trump but they waited too long.

xps let's not forget the mayorss own trip to the Y for a workout hours after advising against such outings

#BREAKING: We just won the release of 106 incarcerated clients - New Yorkers especially vulnerable to #COVID19 - from technical parole holds at Rikers Island. Cc: @TMLuongo @CoreyStoughton @marie_defender @Michelle_Mc_G #FreeThemNow pic.twitter.com/fqjB1wZI7G

— The Legal Aid Society (@LegalAidNYC) March 27, 2020

thread title is becoming a little too literal

cuomo and deblasio should've known better earlier. They aren't the liquidized walnut level of Trump but they waited too long.

― Yerac, Friday, March 27, 2020 4:03 PM (fifty-seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

the fact that cuomo is the breakout star of this, despite doing a measurably worse job than very many other governors by every possible metric, is proof if proof were need be that a daily televised press briefing will take you a long way in this country.

cuomo comes across as prepared and reliable on tv, but I think a lot of people really don't appreciate where we are on the curve and how ugly the situation is going to get. he's going to be accountable for some percentage of what's coming.

de blasio managed to both make stupid decisions and look bad even when he didn't need to do much to look like he cared. it's genuinely amazing that someone who is so bad at politics fell into the job. he will go down as the worst nyc mayor in modern history.

I know it's a hard decision to shut down a major city, esp nyc but they seriously had this happen to other cities beforehand. I have no clue why they thought the outcome would be different.

my mom, in pennsylvania, has texted me about admiring cuomo

(i told her to fuck off that he's better than trump, but good lord what a low bar. give me inslee)

they saw him on the television

(Rudy was worse than BdB, you clown)

i know it goes without saying, but helena bonham fucking christ essentially any random person off the street would be better at this than trump, but

DeBlasio said on TV tonight that April's gonna be worse than March, and May might be worse than April.

well, i mean it's good they are finally being realistic.

Rhode Island Police to Hunt Down New Yorkers Seeking Refuge

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-27/rhode-island-police-to-hunt-down-new-yorkers-seeking-refuge

I wonder when the doctor will tell me coming for chemo is too risky

I've seen the map of cases by neighborhood, and religious funamentalism is a helluva drug

Have other Brooklyn ppl had the Mandatory Wiring/Equipment service call I just had from V3riz0n? It was on, then it was off, then I found out it was definitely on when they arrived. I need my phone and web badly, so I feel like I had no choice but to let em in. I wonder at what point they'll suspend these visits?

This is from this morning. I know certain jobs like first responders/ medical staff/ grocery store employees/ etc. have to get to work but NYC, what are we doing with packed platforms??? #whatisnewyork pic.twitter.com/V5ufNHoeQC

— WhatIsNewYork (@whatisny) March 27, 2020

They’ve cut service due to sick conductors and lack or ridership. Really cool. Maybe nows not the best time for that?

NYT (shut down the fucking park gatherings and the goddamn houses of worship, for fuck's sake):

New York City officials are expected to decide this weekend whether to impose $500 fines on residents flouting social-distancing rules during the coronavirus outbreak by gathering in large groups at parks and ignoring police orders to disperse.

Mr. de Blasio also said that a few houses of worship were continuing to hold religious services and that they risked fines or having their buildings permanently closed if the police found congregations in them this weekend.

The mayor also said he was working with state officials to freeze rents this year for 2.3 million tenants in rent-stabilized apartments.

Officials said late Friday that the number of coronavirus cases in New York City had climbed above 26,000. The city’s death toll was 450.

At least 500 New York Police Department employees have tested positive, and more than 4,000 officers — about 11 percent of the uniformed work force — were out sick on Friday, officials said.

In a force of 36,000 officers, that translates to an infection rate of about one in every 80 officers, or about 1.2 percent.

Officials also reported the first death of an officer in the department: Detective Cedric Dixon, who worked in the 32nd Precinct, in Harlem, and had worked for the department for 23 years.”

I hear hundreds of NYPD have tested positive for the Coronavirus.

When the funerals begin they should bury them in these shirts. pic.twitter.com/dJuPveVbNH

— William Gillis 🏴 (@rechelon) March 27, 2020

This RI thing is so weird.

the city should've been endorsing universal masking (even handmade) like weeks ago.

RI and Kansas now have stay-at-home orders

If you have health insurance in New York, are you covered in RI if you’re hospitalized for coronavirus? Or in NJ? More generally, is health insurance in one American locale usable in others? Despite living in the USA for almost 40 years I don’t know, because I never lived near a state border and didn’t travel much domestically. I remember that things cost more “out of zone”, but I don’t know what zones are.

i believe so, yes. but regular/scheduled things would likely be 'out of network', which would be more expensive (but probably still covered to a certain extent)

Oh God, we are going to be reading a lot of smug articles like this from now on: "Why I Am Not Leaving New York"

https://www.vogue.com/article/why-i-am-not-leaving-new-york

I can think of better reasons not to leave New York than an insufferable feeling of being a Real New Yorker TM. Think of all the people still working in supermarkets, transit, etc that can't leave because their jobs are here and they are working with the public everyday. Or people who don't have the option of a second house to escape to. Or people who don't have the money to go somewhere else. Reasons based on practicality and not snobbery.