US Politics, March 2020 — There’s a very good chance you’re not going to die.

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That's not true. I say that not because i want you to feel wrong or to invalidate how you feel or anything, but because i know you'll be able to get another job. obviously you're super-talented and very capable. i just don't want you to feel like it's really the end of the world for you if you lose your job, because that would be a really tough thing to deal with, emotionally, if you really feel there's no other option!

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 20:11 (four years ago) link

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Karl Malone, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 20:11 (four years ago) link

David Roth on the pissweakness of the overall Democratic Party response to our current situation.

Dollarmite Is My Name (sic), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 20:41 (four years ago) link

Trump reminds me a lot of the actuarial analyst (bean counter) Fred Thompson describes in the Michael Apted film Class Action right now.

"To retrofit 175,000 units, multiply that times 300 bucks a car, give or take. You're looking at around $50 million. So the risk guy, he crunches the numbers some more. He figures you'd have a fireball collision about every 3,000 cars. That's 158 explosions. Which is almost as many plaintiffs as there are. These guys know their numbers. So you multiply that times $200,000 per lawsuit. That's assuming everybody sues and wins. 30 million max. See? It's cheaper to deal with the lawsuits than it is to fix the blinker. It's what the bean counters call a simple actuarial analysis."

Except I doubt Trump knows his numbers.

clemenza, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 20:45 (four years ago) link

Just imagine how effective he might be with better screenwriters.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 21:05 (four years ago) link

trump is like 1980s television to the skilled, non-dumbest world man in the world straight up fascism of 2010s television

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 21:09 (four years ago) link

CNN is summing up some of things he said at his Fox-sponsored town hall this afternoon--including, somewhere in the gray area between implicitly and explicitly, the prospect that how well governors have treated him will figure into how much money that state gets.

clemenza, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 21:09 (four years ago) link

someday it'll be like "oh yeah, their fascism is even more effective when it's not so fucking dumb, wow"

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 21:10 (four years ago) link

pros and cons of a military coup, please

presuming there will be a big enough rogue faction when the bodies accumulate

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 21:13 (four years ago) link

again, points to Murc's law when sic reads a (good) jeremiad by ex-Deadspinner David Roth that is mostly about how absolutely abysmal Trump and the GOP are, and decides the real headline is that Democrats suck. Frog, scorpion, etc. boring.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 21:13 (four years ago) link

I am seeing way too may people believing that the "economy" will be restarted in a couple of weeks. I can't even...

Yerac, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 21:15 (four years ago) link

Today I learned not just that the governor of Texas is in a wheelchair, but he is in a wheelchair because he went out running some years ago and a tree fell on him!

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 21:16 (four years ago) link

Did someone try turning off the economy and turning it back on

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 21:18 (four years ago) link

Make sure unit is plugged in.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 21:19 (four years ago) link

xpost yeah I was saying really mean things about Abbott once (him being a shitty anti-choice monster) and I totally didn't know he was in a wheelchair until one of my insults coincidentally touched on it.

Yerac, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 21:19 (four years ago) link

It's really hard to do a military coup (or mass demonstrations) while physically distancing

love will keep us apart (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 21:23 (four years ago) link

Virtual assassination

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 21:24 (four years ago) link

again, points to Murc's law when sic reads a (good) jeremiad by ex-Deadspinner David Roth that is mostly about how absolutely abysmal Trump and the GOP are, and decides the real headline is that Democrats suck. Frog, scorpion, etc. boring.

that headline makes sense when you consider that the GOP is pure evil, nobody really expects them to be anything but, and the Dems have been laughably ineffective at countering them

frogbs, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 21:31 (four years ago) link

again, points to Murc's law when sic reads a (good) jeremiad by ex-Deadspinner David Roth that is mostly about how absolutely abysmal Trump and the GOP are, and decides the real headline is that Democrats suck. Frog, scorpion, etc. boring.

It's about lots of things but I didn't list them all in a brief link, and I figured most people itt are bringing at least the same level background awareness of Trump being abysmal to their reading as the author presumes they will. Roth describes some terrible Democratic responses to the terrible actions and inactions of the administration, in a context of what they could do better. I also didn't say that it's funny or angry.

Dollarmite Is My Name (sic), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 21:33 (four years ago) link

The main problem is that in between elections, power is already distributed and the power relationship between the parties is fairly set in concrete for another two years. The secondary problem is that the way our government is set up, blocking actions can be done with far less power than initiating and carrying out actions. To the degree the GOP is a negative force and the Democrats are positive, the power balance favors the GOP even when they are not 'in control'. The GOP figured all this out in detail over the last four decades, as they morphed into their modern incarnation.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 21:40 (four years ago) link

David Roth on the pissweakness of the overall Democratic Party response to our current situation.

― Dollarmite Is My Name (sic)

you mean the Dems who got the GOP to kowtow?

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 21:54 (four years ago) link

It's like on ILE and social media a liberal-left WHATABOUTism exists: you can't attack the GOP without also pointing furiously at Schumer, Pelosi, the DNC, etc.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 21:55 (four years ago) link

Yeah that essay seems out-of-date already.

DJI, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 21:55 (four years ago) link

this was 12 days ago (feels like 2 years ago) & trump has somehow been crazier than i thought possible in the interim

David Brooks
@nytdavidbrooks
Mar 12
I get the sense that this is not only the low point of the Trump presidency but the low point of the American presidency ever. Has any president ever been this overmatched by a crisis?

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 21:57 (four years ago) link

has anything passed yet?

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 21:59 (four years ago) link

Even GW Bush never really lost the support of David Brooks.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 21:59 (four years ago) link

Fauci seemed to be on a very short leash right there. "You've got two minutes, here's what you're allowed to say, then we'll get Larry up there."

clemenza, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 22:06 (four years ago) link

I thought Fauci wd no longer appear, all the smarties said

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 22:12 (four years ago) link

pence sez "the task force met again today" like it displaced something more important on his sched

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 22:13 (four years ago) link

Today I learned not just that the governor of Texas is in a wheelchair, but he is in a wheelchair because he went out running some years ago and a tree fell on him!

And he went on to help dismantle rights for the handicapped* in Texas, so anybody seen Tommy Udo lately?

*Including my father, who was a diabetic amputee that spent the last year of his life rotting in a wheelchair thanks in part to Abbott's work.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 22:13 (four years ago) link

(xpost) That was my thought too. I'm sure the calculation is that it's better to have him up there saying very little than absent altogether, which prompts all sorts of questions. I want him to speak up as much as possible, but I also realize that that could prevent him from doing all he can behind the scenes. Bad situation.

clemenza, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 22:15 (four years ago) link

I know I get chastised for watching these things, but anyway, questioned as to whether Trump arrived at his Easter 'reopening' in consultation with the two doctors standing beside him, part of his response was "I just thought it was a beautiful timeline."

clemenza, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 22:19 (four years ago) link

after three weeks, the economy rolls the stone away from the grave. Mnuchin comes out dressed as the Easter Bunny (Spicer's old costume)

love will keep us apart (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 22:21 (four years ago) link

(I feel obligated to thank Clifford Odets, Ernest Lehman, and Alexander Mackendrick every time I use the word "chastise.")

clemenza, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 22:21 (four years ago) link

Question as everyone exits: "Is is wise to pack churches on Easter?"

clemenza, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 22:25 (four years ago) link

the blood of the Lamb will set us free, clem.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 22:25 (four years ago) link

"Is it"

clemenza, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 22:25 (four years ago) link

I do get the feeling hologram Cecil B. DeMille will be there for tomorrow's briefing.

clemenza, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 22:27 (four years ago) link

just going to weigh in here and say mother fuck lawsuit millionaire Greg Abbot who’s absolutely a tort reform guy now. not then, you see. but now.

in a just world that tree would have finished the job.

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 22:28 (four years ago) link

Obviously it's stupid to allow church gatherings at all let alone during a pandemic, but at least churchgoing types are a little more likely to already be the sort of people who don't socialise much outside of Sunday morning.

you mean the Dems who got the GOP to kowtow?

I don't perceive any negotiation, compromise or agreement reached so far as kowtowing.

It's like on ILE and social media a liberal-left WHATABOUTism exists: you can't attack the GOP without also pointing furiously at Schumer, Pelosi, the DNC, etc.

I've got ten fingers and two arms, keep 'em coming. No proposed responses on either side so far are meeting the scale that will be needed to cope.

Dollarmite Is My Name (sic), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 22:30 (four years ago) link

the $2 trillion stimulus is pretty astonishing by my lights, and the Dems got Munchkin and the White House to accede to their demands.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 22:34 (four years ago) link

churchgoing types are a little more likely to already be the sort of people who don't socialise much outside of Sunday morning.

I know a fair amounf of churchgoers and they don't socialize any less than the rest of us

Webcam Du Bois (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 22:37 (four years ago) link

xpost Seriously. Did y'all honestly think this thing was just going to magic the problem away in one fell swoop? Jesus.

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 22:38 (four years ago) link

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I think I just realized it's time to [command +] my screen, that's been my whole problem all this time

Webcam Du Bois (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 22:38 (four years ago) link

Did y'all honestly think this thing was just going to magic the problem away in one fell swoop? Jesus.

― Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch),

Who said that?

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 22:41 (four years ago) link

Agreeing with you, shaking my head at people grousing that it's too little. Because of course it is, but it's a surprisingly good start.

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 22:53 (four years ago) link

I mean, apologies for trying to take into account the possibility I'll still be alive and have bills to pay in August?

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 22:54 (four years ago) link

To quote my favorite benefit track:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXGgWf2lacM

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 22:56 (four years ago) link

get busy Humpty

Dollarmite Is My Name (sic), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 22:58 (four years ago) link

are y'all seriously thinking that with a Republican majority Senate (albeit a thinner one right now due to people who are quarantined at home and can't vote) that anything better than 100% of your salary for 4 months was possible? I didn't even think THAT was possible.

I sincerely doubt that's the last piece of legislation if this thing continues into September, but...if we're going to constantly feel despair because we can't guarantee everything is going to be roses six months in the future, that's just going to bring you undue pain, and I say this as someone that has been fighting to keep panic attacks at bay for the first time in over a year rn.

no, this bill if it passes as is does not guarantee we will all live happily ever after, but it WOULD guarantee that the hundreds of friends and family members I have who can now feel the tightened ropes around their chest loosen a bit and feel like they might have a fighting chance at coming out ok in the long run. Fuck making me feel bad for feeling happy about that, because it's been keeping me up at night.

gotta take these things a day at a time, or you're going to wear yourself out. I should know, I wound up in the hospital over it once.

the fight doesn't stop tonight any more than it would have had Dems just signed the first shitty bill that was thrown in front of them.

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 23:05 (four years ago) link


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