woody allen

oh wait sorry I'm mixing up Moses with Thaddeus

argh don't even want to dig into this shitpile anymore...

xps

No, the Brett Stephens article was in the NYT relating to the book deal thing. Nobody should care about it, but it's a real wtf thing to see friends share a Bedbug-column and saying it's thoughtful. I don't think they know the bedbug.

i think the soon-yi relationship was seriously unsettling. even though she was an "adult," there are boundaries you don't cross and i think he is a bad person for pursuing his girlfriend's teenage daughter. i don't care if, subsequently, they had the world's best marriage.

with the dylan accusation, i don't know what happened. it is an extremely serious crime. if he is guilty of it, which he might be, he shouldn't just be canceled, he should go to jail.

We don't know what happened that evening, so he shouldn't go to jail for it, but the fact that his reaction, when Mia Farrow called him saying Dylan had told her something bad happened, was to begin custody proceedings, turning the whole sordid thing public in the first place, should have cost him his career immediately.

There's been so much obfuscation by Woody, and his worked. It has absolutely worked.

didn't work that well. i think he is a creep and possibly a child molester.

He had a career for decades afterwards, so I'll say it worked

His latest got a VOD release here. Not like usual, but still. Something changed a bit.

hypothetically, if woody wasn't guilty of the crime, what would the correct course of action been? in 1992?

didn't work that well. i think he is a creep and possibly a child molester.

― treeship., Tuesday, March 24, 2020 4:38 PM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

What are you actually arguing about Fred B, we are all on the same page for this. But the only thing you can do is not pay to watch his films, which he still seems to be making, and not buying his book, which seems to be available despite everything. That's it.

Sorry, unclear, wanted to do a +1 on treeship above

hypothetically, if woody wasn't guilty of the crime, what would the correct course of action been? in 1992?

― treeship., 24. marts 2020 17:43 (thirty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Like, anything would have been better than what Woody did. From the custody ruling:

Mr Allen's response to Dylan's claims of sexual abuse was an attack on Ms Farrow, whose parenting ability and emotional stability he impugned without the support of any significant credible evidence. His trail strategy has been to separate his children from their brothers and sisters; to turn the children against their mother; to divide adopted children from biological children; to incite the family against their household help; and to set household employees against each other. His self-absorption, his lack of judgment and his commitment to the continuation of his divisive assault, thereby impeding the healing of the injuries that he has already caused, warrant a careful monitoring of his future contact with his children.

fair enough. i mean, he was obviously willing to destroy that family by dating soon-yi

obv fuck Woody, but I mean, sadly I don't know if Mia was "dropped" because of articles so much as she is a 75 year old woman in Hollywood

yeah I find people who express certainty about what happened in that family truly baffling

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, March 24, 2020 3:10 PM (six hours ago)

yeah, this is how i feel about it too

fwiw i rewatched crimes and misdemeanors a couple weeks ago and i can report that it is now genuinely weird to see woody and mia together onscreen

Just finished Woody Allen's memoir, and for the most part enjoyed it. Questions?

— Dennis Perrin (@DennisThePerrin) June 6, 2020

why does anyone like this child rapist

great take

Here you go:

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/may/29/do-i-really-care-woody-allen-comes-out-fighting

u sound like the Sleeper robot tailor a bit xxp

could read thread

i'm not reading that bs

honestly a disgusting thread anyone defending him is scum

you know it all ok millennial

howbout Chaplin?

It's worth reading if you want an answer to your question ('why does anyone like…').

smh snowflake millenials not thinking child rape is nbd

fuck chaplin too. and orwell, neruda, picasso, whoever else you want to catch me out with

it was a rhetorical question btw i know why ppl don't care

yeah I know, men suck. unique take there

at least Mia Farrow got good work out of it

scum

that's what some of her abused kids say, true

no need for the periodic fretting over why this board is so male dominated like people don't know

you seem to think this is hilarious, not surprisingly considering what i've seen of your posts

fuck it just ban me i hate this place

morbs what were you going for with that perrin tweet, can't read it as anything but trying to troll everyone itt

well trolling everyone except for yourself and shakey (not present)

for the record i agree that the farrow family is pretty fucked up but i don't think it's cool to use that as a cudgel in an argument in favor of... woody allen

Caitlin Flanagan has an essay on the Allen book up on the Atlantic's site today. The book really is a salt lick for the country's most loathsome cultural critics, isn't it?

I will miss the great contributions of "Left"

if you look at the DP followups, a memoir by Allen that dug into the work wd be of interest, but phaps this is not such a book. I have been seeing the guy's stuff since I was 5 or 6.

He is not a great filmmaker.

would've made The Fury funnier

Hate to be the one to bump this, as our beloved Morba was the last poster here and he had some spectacularly wrong takes fe: Allen. But I remembered this thread or another one where it was declared we’d never know the truth of everything. I think the documentary evidence is pretty fucking damning and we can all consider this closed now.

What does Moses say in the doco?

Theres nothing new in the documentary series afaict. Quite upsetting viewing of course.

I hope this is finally the end of him but will there be any reckoning at all for those who worked so hard for decades to prop him up? or will it just be quietly forgiven like that polanski petition (which I believe he signed) has been?

Theres nothing new in the documentary series afaict.

were those tapes of Dylan Farrow tapes available before? how anyone could hear those and not lock/beat that fucker up on the spot idk

i found the taped phone convo btwn he and mia re: soon-yi p damning, just his equivications in the face of mia flat out being like you had sex w my teenage daughter

I'm probably gonna get mauled for this, but ...
Woody Allen's a total creep who should have kept his hands off Soon Yi, but I'm still not convinced he sexually abused Dylan. Not saying he didn't, but I just don't know. The timing of the accusation bothers me, and everything I've read about Mia Farrow points to a manipulative mother who often used psychological/physical abuse against her children to serve her own needs. I wish Moses had taken part in the series, because his long essay about his family life is pretty damning, especially when it comes to how Mia allegedly rehearsed/coached/brainwashed her kids. (He also talks about the attic and the train set, which he says wasn't even in that room.)

http://mosesfarrow.blogspot.com/2018/05/a-son-speaks-out-by-moses-farrow.html

As for what Dylan said then and now, anyone familiar with some of the more notorious cases of child sex abuse accusations — the McMartin preschool case comes to mine — knows that children can be led to say or believe most anything with proper coaching. Sometimes it becomes part of their memory for the rest of their lives. What did Mia say to Dylan off camera? We'll never know. I'm not calling Dylan a liar; everything she said may be true. But that was one crazy, toxic household, and it's hard to know who to believe.

fuck this

not the best metaphor

why do people still to do this for free, what is the investment here