Hoagy Carmichael - Heart and Soul

I've got to assume there is a ska/rocksteady version, right?

believe so, yes

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Ah, almost figured that out but had a brain freeze.

Wonder if it challops to say this tune is not at the first rank of the work of either of the co-writers.

I want to ask my smart block-and-a-half away neighbor who was recently hanging with JBR what he thinks about this tune but then I would have to ask permission to quote him here so might not be worth it.

I've got to assume there is a ska/rocksteady version, right?

So this came ... after "Blue Moon," right? Is that the first song with the doo wop chord progression?

I don't think that's a challops at all, James Redd et al.

Thanks. Was just being defensive, sorry.

So this came ... after "Blue Moon," right? Is that the first song with the doo wop chord progression?

For some reason, no one seems to play the last line of the A section ("and then we kissed in the night") when they do the piano duet; it's usually replaced by something far more on-the-nose, landing on the root note of every chord (e.g. C-B-A-G-F-A-G).

Creating a kind of space, I should say.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%2750s_progression#Examples_in_classical_music

I sang a barbershop version of this once in Forever Plaid, and because of this song's presence in living rooms, with many kids learning this as their first (or only) piano piece, there's way more going on in the song than people realize.

wasn't there a pop song last year that interpolated this?

Dieterich Buxtehude
Good old Dieterich B. I remember when I first was learning German on the tape there was a dialogue with a nervous guy getting into a cab and talking with some kind of accent, telling the driver he was from Buxtehude and the British commentator commenting “that’s like saying he’s from the Back of Beyond.”

Back to my derail/digression: so what happens is instead of playing the final “Someday my prince will come,” they shorten it to “Someday” and kind of lean on that.

wasn't there a pop song last year that interpolated this?

Yeah, "Play That Song" by Train. Not gonna link to it tho. It's bad.

That was TRAIN???

Jesus fucking christ.

Will link to this, maybe one of the greatest lyrical references to one song found within another song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_zIRxB9HVo

"Oh my name is Penny Evans and my age is twenty-one
A young widow in the war that's being fought in Viet Nam
And I have two infant daughters and I do the best I can
Now they say the war is over, but I think it's just begun.

And I remember I was seventeen on the day I met young Bill.
At his father's grand piano, we'd play good old "Heart and Soul".
Well, I only knew the left hand part and he the right so well.
He's the only boy I've slept with and the only one I will.

It's first we had a baby girl, and we had two good years.
It was next the 1A notice came, and we parted without tears.
It was nine months from our last good bye our second babe appears.
So it's ten months and a telegram confirming all our fears.

And now every month I get a check from an Army bureaucrat.
And it's every month I tear it up and I mail the damn thing back.
Do you think that makes it all right, do you think I'd fall for that?
You can keep your bloody money, it sure won't bring my Billy back.

I never cared for politics, and speeches I don't understand.
Likewise never took no charity from any living man.
But tonight there's fifty thousand gone in that unhappy land,
And fifty thousand "Heart and Soul"s being played with just one hand.

Well, my name is Penny Evans and I've just gone twenty-one,
A young widow in the war that's being fought in Viet Nam,
And I have two infant daughters and I thank God I have no sons,
Now they say the war is over, but I think it's just begun."

Hoagy was the model ian Fleming had for Bond in his novels. I read one of my uncles prefilm copies of one if them where he's directly compared in looks. Haven't read a later version of the same one to see if that was edited to anything more contemporary later.

Main thing related to him I listen to is the Stark Reality version of his children's songs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEnh6ObU_GY

This big band version, which is also from 1938 like the Larry Clinton, does use less straightforward triadic harmony, more what we would call 'jazz harmony' today (being careful bc I'm sure the Larry Clinton was also called "jazz" in 1938): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjBks71fQ70

Like the Bandits version upthread, interestingly, the chord progression is I-vi-ii-V instead of I-vi-IV-V, which does make the song more interesting imo since the melody then moves from the minor seventh to the fifth over ii rather than from the fifth to the third over IV. But this version also fills out the harmony, with I think a sixth over the I and at least diatonic sevenths over the other chords; obv some chromatic improvisation too.

The Bud Powell version is good!

Dying to click on it when I have time/InWalkedRedd

The third chord in the Bach example on the wiki page should be analysed as ii[6/5] imo. The Mozart example comes p close to what the student piano H&S does!

The Goodman dong

*song suggests H&S was already known as a piano duet in the early 70s. I still don't know where that came from. Was it included in a popular instructional book?