US Politics, March 2020 — There’s a very good chance you’re not going to die.

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spreading to certain others in his orbit

not how this virus works iirc I mean I know you're joking but we should fear people who don't care if they get infected, because the number of people they'll infect will not be limited to their circle.

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 02:16 (four years ago) link

And now this stupid virus shows up and just wrecks it all in a month, like none of it mattered or was real to start with.

You can apply this sentence to George W. Bush in October 2008. I'm not convinced yet. Time will tell if we stand the test of time #VanHagar.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 02:28 (four years ago) link

And now this stupid virus shows up and just wrecks it all in a month

Sounds best in a Homer Simpson voice.

clemenza, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 02:30 (four years ago) link

I've been trying to figure out the right-wing reaction to all of this --

I don't know about right-wingers, but Trump was right in 2016: I'm so fucking tired of 'winning' by now that I'd like a long, restful break from it.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 02:33 (four years ago) link

I'm convinced that this virus has wrecked it all

Dan S, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 02:38 (four years ago) link

not how this virus works iirc I mean I know you're joking but we should fear people who don't care if they get infected, because the number of people they'll infect will not be limited to their circle.

Oh yes, he certainly couldn't be trusted to do the right thing in peacetime, and even less so now. The emboldening these people are getting through this disaster is no laughing matter.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 02:39 (four years ago) link

Are you seeing this from Trumpists you know? What are they saying?

There is a great fear in social media chatter about damage to "the economy," which is always something people say, but it feels personal and possessive. It's their economy, the "Trump Economy." They take the stock market fall as some kind of scam, something that's been done to Trump and them in particular. Never mind that a lot of the people most hurt by a recession won't be Trump supporters, that's not so much the point. Feels more like a punctured dream.

Which has emphatically not led to any turning on Trump that I've seen. Far from it. He's the victim.

They I.D. as 'winners', and anything that refutes that is a "Hoax/Fake News/The Democrats' Fault/Bad For Our Country".

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 02:44 (four years ago) link

Tipsy, when you say they're freaking out - do you think of this as a break from their mentality up to this point, or a strengthening/escalation of it?

anvil, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 02:50 (four years ago) link

Yeah, good question. I think maybe both? It's definitely a break in that while they're accustomed to Trump being constantly attacked and criticized, they're also accustomed to having the infallible fallback of the economy. So the defensive paranoia isn't new, but it's maybe more tinged with a sense of actual vulnerability?

Whats their stance on social-distancing or self-isolation? And on getting back to work asap to fix the economy?

anvil, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 03:12 (four years ago) link

Based on my observations of humans in action for six decades, I'd guess their stance is mostly a lot of wishful thinking that somehow or other the whole thing blows over and won't be all that bad after all.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 03:19 (four years ago) link

RESEARCHER: In front of you is one marshmallow. But if you can wait 15 minutes, I'll give you--

TRUMP: (eats marshmallow and researcher)

— Dan Amira (@DanAmira) March 23, 2020

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 03:23 (four years ago) link

Republicans will be decomposing, bits of flesh flaking off in the mouths of worms, and empty eye sockets, and they'll still be trying to check their stock prices.

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 03:33 (four years ago) link

Republicans had a deal until Nancy Pelosi rode into town from her extended vacation. The Democrats want the Virus to win? They are asking for things that have nothing to do with our great workers or companies. They want Open Borders & Green New Deal. Republicans shouldn’t agree!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 24, 2020

The Democrats want the Virus to Win? for April thread title

frogbs, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 03:45 (four years ago) link

I have no doubt many ppl truly believe they do

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 03:48 (four years ago) link

Whats their stance on social-distancing or self-isolation? And on getting back to work asap to fix the economy?

I think there's still a lot of denial about the whole thing even being serious. They care about it at all mostly because it's hurting their precious economy, so they'd like nothing better than to believe everyone can go back to work. We'll see how that holds up. I don't really like to think about what level of sickness and death it would take to fully persuade them that this isn't at some level all bogus. I don't want to find out.

there are many who can not be persuaded, it’ll always be something. we’re all pretty convinced at this point that there is a core for every bullshit egregious belief that just won’t give, right? the best you can do is beat their asses so hard and so bad that they stfu for a few years.

blather rinse repeat 2020 (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 04:20 (four years ago) link

there are many who can not be persuaded, it’ll always be something. we’re all pretty convinced at this point that there is a core for every bullshit egregious belief that just won’t give, right? the best you can do is beat their asses so hard and so bad that they stfu for a few years.

blather rinse repeat 2020 (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 04:20 (four years ago) link

That Pelosi tweet above answers a question I was pondering during the briefing: "He seems unusually restrained about the Democrats, like he's terrified they won't strike a deal--but who knows what he's tweeting?"

clemenza, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 04:30 (four years ago) link

I imagine this includes pawns so they have something to surrender? Because these two in particular are right in R's wheelhouse for spinning a no-vote:

• Creates new carbon offset guidelines for airlines, with a long-term goal of reducing jet fuel emissions by 50% by 2050.

• Addresses broader health care concerns that Democrats have pushed for months, including increasing subsidies on the individual market and creating new incentives for states to expand Medicaid.

Webcam Du Bois (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 12:51 (four years ago) link

Good morning!

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 13:01 (four years ago) link

Xpost yeah, bargaining chip mostly

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 13:07 (four years ago) link

Wild to me that I have an EIN number that I haven’t used for years that is going to save my bacon when they start giving out free money

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 13:09 (four years ago) link

Trump eyes a back-to-work plan despite coronavirus

https://miro.medium.com/max/2108/1*I0Z1VpRFmXU5RQN70HpIOA.png

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 13:14 (four years ago) link

Can't wait for him to issue this directive and realize very quickly how little power his stupid words have.

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 13:20 (four years ago) link

I'll go back to work if he promises to resign.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 13:23 (four years ago) link

Really? Pence? policy wd be wait for the Rapture.

NYT:

The Treasury secretary and the top Senate Democrat said late Monday that they were on the brink of a deal on a nearly $2 trillion emergency economic aid measure to respond to the coronavirus pandemic, after a marathon day of talks as Democrats demanded stronger protections for workers and restrictions for bailed-out businesses.

Hours after Democrats voted to block action on the plan until they secured concessions and the Senate dissolved into partisan sniping, Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, the minority leader, and Steven Mnuchin, the Treasury secretary, signaled that their private negotiations had yielded important breakthroughs that could clear the way for enactment of the plan within days.

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 13:24 (four years ago) link

Policy right now isn't that different from "wait for the Rapture." Certainly a whole lot of waiting going on.

Everyone asked years ago how Trump would react to a crisis, and now we've seen it a few times: do nothing, then blame victims for their failure. Seems to be working for him, tbh.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 13:29 (four years ago) link

exactly, so change would be close to nil

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 13:52 (four years ago) link

why did Trump retweet this???

Dr. Fauci is all of us 🤦🏼‍♂️ pic.twitter.com/WTShJUchsr

— Laura Martínez® (@miblogestublog) March 20, 2020

frogbs, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 13:53 (four years ago) link

idk man *stares at tea leaves*

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 13:54 (four years ago) link

People hate Donald Trump.

The release on Friday of an ABC News/Ipsos poll indicating that 55 percent of Americans approved of Donald Trump’s handling of the coronavirus—12 points higher than the previous week—prompted another round of fatalistic chatter in certain quarters of the political establishment. Shocked by Trump’s victory in 2016, some left-leaning commentators and rank-and-file Democrats alike have been steeling themselves for his reelection in 2020, noting that most presidents win second terms; that, at least before the pandemic, the economy was humming along; and more recently that, during moments of national disaster, Americans tend to rally around the leader they have.

But these nuggets of conventional political wisdom obscure something fundamental—something that even Democrats have trouble seeing: The United States is in revolt against Donald Trump, and the likely Democratic nominee, former Vice President Joe Biden, already holds a daunting lead over Trump in the battleground states that will decide the 2020 election. By way of disclosure, I am a Democratic pollster; for professional and personal reasons alike, I want Democratic candidates to succeed. But no matter what, I also want candidates and party operatives to base decisions—such as where and how to campaign—on an accurate view of the political landscape. At the moment, Democrats are underestimating their own strength and misperceiving the sources of it.

Every time Americans have gone to the polls since Trump took office, they have pushed back hard against him. The blue wave that began in state elections in 2017 grew bigger in the 2018 midterms and bigger yet in 2019. Trump focused the Republican Party’s whole 2018 congressional campaign on immigrant caravans and the border wall, and he lost. Trump held rallies in support of the Republican gubernatorial candidates on the last nights before elections in the deep-red states of Kentucky and Louisiana, and they lost. The GOP losses right through the end of 2019 were produced by dramatic, growing gains for Democrats in the nation’s suburbs. Democrats took total control of the Virginia legislature, where the party held on to all the suburban seats it had flipped two years earlier and gained six more.

...

Trump has nationalized our politics around himself and his job performance, and that has created a nine-point headwind for the Republican Party. While the pessimists obsess over any of Trump’s most favorable polls, particularly in the Electoral College battleground states, Trump has never raised his approval rating above the low 40s in FiveThirtyEight’s average of public polls; 52 to 53 percent disapprove of his performance in office. And that remains true during the current crisis.

Trump has improved his numbers with the evangelical Christians, Tea Party supporters, and observant Catholics who make up the core of his Republican Party, but it is a diminished party. The percentage of people identifying as Republican since Trump took office has dropped from 39 to 36 percent, according to an NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll. Trump has pushed moderates out of the party, and those moderates are changing their voting patterns accordingly. Fully 5 percent of the voters in the South Carolina Democratic primary had previously voted in the state’s Republican primary. In Michigan, Republican strategists tried to make sense of the 56 percent increase in Democratic turnout in Livingston County, a white, college-educated, upper-class community that Trump won by 30 points. Republicans are shedding voters.

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 13:59 (four years ago) link

Trump himself has been increasingly acknowledging that everyone hates him. No doubt it fuels some of his decision making. It certainly I think affects his supporters, who think along the same lines: you hate Trump, you hate me, so I hate you .

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 14:01 (four years ago) link

also worth considering that Trump is singlehandedly gonna get a solid chunk of his voting base killed

frogbs, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 14:04 (four years ago) link

Trump himself has been increasingly acknowledging that everyone hates him.

I wouldn't go that far, but I have noticed a lack of tweets in which he refers to himself as "your favorite president" recently.

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 14:27 (four years ago) link

I had no idea he knew what irony was.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 14:27 (four years ago) link

I think affects his supporters, who think along the same lines: you hate Trump, you hate me, so I hate you .

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:01 AM (twenty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

this is certainly the case. i don't understand why they identify with him so closely. he is not similar to them in any real way.

treeship., Tuesday, 24 March 2020 14:30 (four years ago) link

he's who they wish to be - stupid, boorish, racist, talentless, but always failing upward.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 14:43 (four years ago) link

zurprize

Liberty University will reopen this week, Jerry Falwell inviting students to return and ordering faculty to come back to work. https://t.co/JUXEITZnqD

— Reid Wilson (@PoliticsReid) March 24, 2020

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 14:47 (four years ago) link

I fully support this

Webcam Du Bois (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 14:48 (four years ago) link

^^^

I know it feels like one of those "don't write off the south - liberals live there too!" things, but if you're a student at Liberty University, you made choices.

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 14:50 (four years ago) link

lemmings eventually reach the cliff edge

Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 14:52 (four years ago) link

If you want to take away their right to contract coronavirus you'll have to pry it from their cold, dead hands.

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 14:53 (four years ago) link

he's who they wish to be - stupid, boorish, racist, talentless, but always failing upward.

I think it's less who they want to be than a sense that he is their warrior, their avatar. His flaws, which a lot of them not only acknowledge but cackle about, are in a way part of his armor. He's every asshole loner Dirty Harry hero in their own personal revenge flick.

lemmings eventually reach the cliff edge

― Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie),

truth bomb

Miami weisse (WmC), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 15:06 (four years ago) link


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