Pearl Jam - C or D?

I really love it.

I see they just released their eleventh album Gigaton. Had no idea but will play the singles for the heck of it

It's a muddle.

"Comes Then Goes" and "Buckle Up" are the best from a band still trying to sound as if they weren't middle aged since their twenties; they worry themselves to death.

I am deeply biased obv but i really love the album so far.

“Quick Escape” is my current favorite — mainly bc of the unashamed Zeppelin feel of the jangly riff & badass drums.

I don’t think they are trying to NOT sound middle aged imo, they are not that cynical. I think they are more ok with being middle aged than most bands their age; and the varying styles is more just they just like pushing the boat out together :D

I think the new one's excellent. And yes, Quick Escape is totally as if PhysGraf-era Zeppelin were a post-punk group.

how much you love the new album witll depend on how much you believe in vedder, and i've always been a believer.

I believe in him, the arrangements often tangle themselves in knots.

As usual I'm into the non-ballads which makes up about half of Gigaton. "Dance" sounds much better as Track 3 than on its own -- I don't think it was a great lead single choice.

weird to realize Eddie Vedder is older than Mick Jagger was when the Stones released Bridges to Babylon.
He’s almost as old as Time Out of Mind-era Dylan!
― dad genes (morrisp), Friday, February 7, 2020 10:39 AM (one month ago)

This is fucked. Jagger and Dylan felt 55 or older when those records came out. PJ still feels perpetually 40.

As usual I'm into the non-ballads which makes up about half of Gigaton.

I like the slower-paced stuff as well, but Never Destination is a belter and an album highlight for me.

I haven't heard the new album, but I heard a second of I think "Retrograde" on the radio and for that second I thought it sounded like Dave Matthews Band. Though maybe not as much as (iirc) "Glorified G" sounded like DMB.

Anyone feel like reviving their fandom or rediscovering the band, or diving into live shows, I highly recommend the 2003 Benaroya Hall live show for your Sunday vibes

Marks somewhat of a turning point in Eddie’s relationship w the audience but also the band sounds incredible & Mikey gives some truly show stopping solos - entire show has a definite introspective feel but positive & laid-back, rather than dour or maudlin

Though maybe not as much as (iirc) "Glorified G" sounded like DMB.

o_O!

think you meant another song. I ain't ever heard no DMB song that sounds like Glorified G.

loool wtf i missed that O_o

Josh. My dude. Just, no.

ALWAYS KEEP IT LOAAAADdddddded in the space betweeeeeeen your heart and mind

i mean tbf dave coopted the vedder vibe that would later become a de rigeur style eg creed; the grunge screamers (staley, cornell) were more my thing and harder to pull off. nb i think vedder is an incredible vocalist, nothing inherently wrong with his style but it really got picked up by some lames

I mean, sure, but that just happens to be one song where he yells his head off though :)

wonder if JiC meant "Elderly Woman"...

Up until the point where the vocals come in I think you could make an argument that it sounds like the band that did "What Would You Say" was trying something in a heavier style. At least that's what popped into my head when I first read Josh's post.

stop yr making me nauseous

take a damp washcloth, move it around your forehead in an even flow

SO HELP ME I WILL TURN THIS CAR AROUND

make sure to check your

rear view mirror

when backing out

hate u

Yeah, I meant the opening. I never listen to that PJ album, but that intro I hear a lot and always turn off because it sounds like one of the few DMB songs I know. Drum sound especially.

I learned yesterday, when I was reading up on the Chapman stick after learning that Midnight Oil used it a couple of times, that this Pearl Jam song is also one of the few where Jeff Ament supposedly uses a Chapman stick.

I dig the many-Vedders coda

― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 14:06 (nine months ago) link

^still amazing

too bad the rest of the album was a bore :(

the last album (gigatron) is good? it seems to me. I haven't spent any appreciable time with PJ since Vitalogy after which my interests went elsewhere, but I spent this week with Yield (great!) and No Code (very good) and this one seems to be as good as them.

Agreed. It's a little overlong, but I definitely think it's better than anything they've done in some time.

I dug out Yield and No Code the other day. Goddamn, Yield is great. Maybe my fave

No Code is my favorite, but partially because it is tied to a very specific time and experience in my life.

Gigatron is already 13 months old?! Damn. I still dig "Comes Then Goes" and "Buckle Up."

I still wish it had been a whole record of "Clairvoyants"-style genre experiments.

I thought the same thing Simon, but on the other hand I don't know that these guy would have been capable of keeping the quality of those experiments up that high for an entire album. I like these guys more than most, but their "experimentation" ain't what it was 25 years ago.

I thought the threat revive happened because it's Dave Abraurdasfasdljl;'s birthday.

a very happy birthday to dave applebee's

Yes, definitely hoping Dave Abrasivezine is having a wonderful day.

I still don't know why he was sacked/left.

Dave Astrozeneca was not a bad drummer for them

apparently he was sacked/left because he was too rockstar

didn't Vedder get miffed because Abracadabra gave press interviews and was happy?

Stone Gusset and Jeff Helmet were pretty rock starry too.

iirc, there were rumors about him buying a fancy sports care that Eddie didn't like.

he was also pro-guns which didnt help
the whole band was kinda miserable & super intense at the time & his “whoa this is fun huh guys!?!” vibe wasn’t a great match

i feel bad for him

but i am glad we briefly got Jack Irons out of the deal & i wouldnt trade Matt Cameron for the world

Which is all the more funny given that they all kind of aged into being much more comfortable with being rich and famous rock stars. Not that I blame them, Eddie seems a lot happier now than he was in those miserable years.

So much so that the audience groaned at 2014's EMP Conference when Mike McCready mentioned without boasting the "loft" that serves as his "writing retreat" in the mountains of Germany or some shit after Meshell Ndegeocello had explained what she's gotta do to earn a decent paycheck.

Iirc Eddie didn't like that Dave Azerbaijan was doing drum clinics and stuff like that, showing off, which is not unrelated to getting a fancy car, I suppose.

There is a quite telling clip in the PJ20 film where Mike (iirc) voices the notion that, at the time, the others were thinking 'wtf, are you embarrassed to be this band?' and I guess around the time of monkey-wrench radio, travelling in a little van and all that, EV *would* much rather have been in Fugazi. They really did have an awkward adolescence.

EV in particular was v angry & stressed out & the intensity of huge shows & huge responsibilities made them alk miserable as a flow on effect

Their shows are definitely a lot more fun these days; even though i attended quite a few i never realized how *grim* their 90’s shows were in contrast compared to now & how they are onstage