US Politics, March 2020 — There’s a very good chance you’re not going to die.

"I absolutely think any delay in getting $$$ and protections to people is going to be blamed on the party in the White House by those precious low-info swing voters"

I hope so. I mean, in my heart I hope that what most people think of the Trump presidency come Nov is that they couldn't leave their homes for weeks, lost their jobs, and couldn't even buy toilet paper. I hope. But who the fuck knows with some people

Yeah, Trump/Republicans will own this crisis no matter what, so Dems should get everything they possible can into the bill. There is no downside to delay for them (though obviously sooner would be better for the potential beneficiaries).

As the legislation is currently written, Mr. Mnuchin would not have to disclose the recipients until six months after the loans were dispersed. Some Democrats also objected to loopholes in the legislation they said could allow Mr. Trump’s real estate empire to take advantage of the federal aid.

Getting some sickening graft revelations in October is tempting, but no.

But Trump is an OUTSIDER, how could he possibly be at fault here?? Do-Nothing Democrats are clearly to blame etc etc.

Democrats will of course be blamed in the short run but it won't have any lasting effect. Just like Republicans shutting down the government in 2013 didn't prevent them from rolling to large congressional gains in 2014 midterms.

Democrats are particularly fighting for constraints on the largely Republican-led effort to provide $500 billion for corporations. Democrats call that a “slush fund.”

Democrats won a concession — to provide four months of expanded unemployment benefits, rather than just three as proposed, according to an official granted anonymity to discuss the private talks. The jobless pay also would extend to self-employed and so-called gig workers.

But Republicans complained Democrats were holding out for more labor protections for workers, wanting assurances that corporations taking federal aid will commit to retaining their employees.

Krugman:

A thread on pandemic economics, stimulus and bailouts — and why Democrats should not give in to McConnell's bum's rush 1/

— Paul Krugman (@paulkrugman) March 23, 2020

But Republicans complained Democrats were holding out for more labor protections for workers, wanting assurances that corporations taking federal aid will commit to retaining their employees.

Other than direct payments to individuals (which likely won't happen to the extent really required), this and the other limitations on companies proposed by Warren are things I very much want to see. Companies should be offered the money and if they don't want to take it with the limitations, well, good luck to you.

love that these negotiations are being covered through the time-tested tit-for-tat horse-trading lens, where one side's looking for their opponents to accede to things like expanded healthcare coverage, temporary cessation of evictions, and forgiveness of student loan debt, and the other side's looking for absolving multibillion dollar corporations of accountability.

negotiations, live on c-span

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEIO2xxHiK8

i'm frankly somewhat surprised the Dems haven't caved yet, as a couple regulars here surely wdve advised them to (NO CARDS)

Yeah, Trump/Republicans will own this crisis no matter what, so Dems should get everything they possible can into the bill. There is no downside to delay for them (though obviously sooner would be better for the potential beneficiaries).

I wanna believe this is true but remember our media landscape is infested with both-sidesism & Trump has actually been pretty successful in deflecting blame and demonizing everyone not on board with his agenda, I don't know how this is gonna play out exactly

xp

c'mon, this is absurd and you know it. I can't imagine a single person on here is on board with a cave to the Republicans strategy.

unless something fundamental changes, a recession is here and massive unemployment is coming soon, regardless of the specifics of this legislation. you'd think that would be damaging for republicans, but this is the country where a president getting impeached and being clearly guilty resulted in a slight bump to his approval

republicans with their evergreen advantage in these showdowns, zero guilty consciences to assuage

no shame + cooperation of media that is literally a propaganda wing for them now

(and i literally mean literally there)

not sure when it fully 100% got to full-fledged propaganda. some would argue back in the 90s, i guess, but it's a stark difference between now and 10 years ago. they are in the deep end now.

yup

and before anyone jumps on me, yes i know it was deeply propaganda-like 10 years ago, too. this is like the turning the amp up 11 kind of thing

the way the media is treating those two polio drugs (which have now been massively hoarded) as TRUMP DRUGS def seems to play into that, especially since the instant one is found to be somewhat effective there will be a nonstop loop of Trump saying "I had a hunch, the doctors and the media all said I was being careless, but I was right..."

tbf, the actual names of the drugs are more than two syllables, making them literally - and i mean literally - impossible to pronounce normally

Drag 'em AOC

.@SenatorCollins can keep her crocodile tears.

She voted & fought HARD to strip pandemic prep funding. She helped drive the lack of preparation that we had leading up to this.

What’s actually disgraceful is her “I’m a Moderate Lady” dance to cover up brutal policies and votes. https://t.co/sY2Iv4y3fT

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) March 23, 2020

here's the president's misinfo literally killing someone

A man has died and his wife is under critical care after the couple, both in their 60s, ingested chloroquine phosphate https://t.co/5K5upQ2B1t

— Timothy Burke (@bubbaprog) March 23, 2020

jfc that is grim

C'mon frogbs, the President didn't say TAKE this, he said that A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE SAYING that you COULD.

Jeez, the libs just wanna blame everything on Trump. So unfair!

In Nigeria, too.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/23/africa/chloroquine-trump-nigeria-intl/index.html

that's not trump's fault!! people die of drowning every day, does that mean we can't say it's good to drink water?!

i'm about to call my mom to discuss her belief that the current coronavirus crisis is actually a conspiracy to create a one world government, so i have to acclimate myself to her bullshit before going in

I'm mixing boulevadiers!

Trump's endorsement of the drug led to a surge of interest among Nigerians keen to stock up on the medication, which has led to inevitable price hikes in the megacity of around 20 million inhabitants.
One man told CNN that in a pharmacy near his home on the Lagos mainland, he witnessed the price rise by more than 400% in a matter of minutes.
Kayode Fabunmi, a Lagos-based lawyer, said: "The pharmacist knew the market and was saying to every incoming customer, 'You know Donald Trump has said this thing cures coronavirus,' and the price kept changing.
"The original price was 200 naira (around 50 cents), then it became 500 naira ($1.38) then it became 1,000 naira ($2.77) while I was there," he said.

a global conspiracy of evil

i mean, imagine procuring pharmaceuticals for less than $600 before insurance. unbelievable story all around

lol

Florida Governor to issue executive order mandating 14-day self-isolation for travelers from NY/NJ

— Shimon Prokupecz (@ShimonPro) March 23, 2020

My boy!

Oh dear.

A Bloomberg TV host makes the fatal mistake of coming for Elizabeth Warren, trying to blame her and #SenateDemocrats for delaying the bill.

And Elizabeth Warren calmly-yet-firmly shuts that nonsense down with facts. pic.twitter.com/6U0r1SmeGr

— TrumpsTaxes (@TrumpsTaxes) March 23, 2020

I absolutely don't want the Dems to cave on this. my brother wants his industry to be bailed out but not if they're just gonna lay him off right after.

"...you look at Nebraska, you look at Idaho, you look at...I could name many countries."

So Fauci appears to have been replaced by Bill Barr and from what I can gather this whole thing is really no big deal

I feel a little embarrassed now

this is a weird trump in his presser. He's still a complete dumbass, king of the dumbasses.

"that computer"--needs visuals.

Not watching but has he doubled down on the “kill millions to boost the stock market number” idea yet

Yes

Fauci: won't see Paulie no more.

Trump, when asked if Fauci agrees with reopening the country: "He doesn't not agree."

— Jim Acosta (@Acosta) March 23, 2020

he's doing this weird being overly helpful and stating the obvious schtick.

This analysis of press conferences--what they mean, why they're held--is very informative.

and his usual overtalking to not answer the question.

He's really stepping into it right now.

Stepping in it, I mean.

he sounds like someone scolded his ass this weekend.

The cruise industry needs to die die die.