We Still Have a Government, Right?: Canadian Politics 2020

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Thanks, you too. I've been noticing every last thing the last two weeks--when I clear my throat, a little twinge in the back, everything--which is also around when I started preemptively taking Tylenol flu tablets once a day, and lemon-drink stuff with my tea every other night. Which is insane, I know. By "I'm not at all exempt from the risk of community spread," I actually meant as an asymptomatic carrier who could have passed it on to someone else. I keep thinking of those supply days back in Brampton, and also that I was more or less out and about normally until two weeks ago.

clemenza, Friday, 20 March 2020 19:16 (four years ago) link

Right, same. I was aware and vigilantly watching the stats while doing so too, so I can’t help but feel the daily reports that there were only travel related cases here were misleading. They could have been very clear that those were the only cases getting tested at all, and there was no other monitoring in place to catch cases that were not. I’m not attributing it to malice, but it’s very disappointing.

Manitobiloba (Kim), Friday, 20 March 2020 19:33 (four years ago) link

Just spent a few minutes looking around for answers and while you can find a lot of references to shortages and fragile supply lines, rarely does it say exactly who actually makes all this stuff we suddenly need. So yeah, not us I guess, but can it be us? Do we have those manufacturing capabilities anywhere still? I’d like to see someone get on that.

Manitobiloba (Kim), Friday, 20 March 2020 20:45 (four years ago) link

The US and UK are taking measures to make companies start producing some of these things even if that is not what they usually do.

Sund4r, Friday, 20 March 2020 20:52 (four years ago) link

Anyway, if anyone needs info on applying for benefits: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/apply-emergency-benefits-1.5501977

Sund4r, Friday, 20 March 2020 21:12 (four years ago) link

Biggest one-day jump in Ontario, with March break people about to return (with difficulty? I don't know).

http://www.narcity.com/news/ca/on/covid-19-in-ontario-50-new-cases-on-friday-is-the-provinces-biggest-single-day-jump

clemenza, Friday, 20 March 2020 22:09 (four years ago) link

Wow

Sund4r, Friday, 20 March 2020 22:17 (four years ago) link

Even if the US manufacturers a surplus of equipment, if the current crew is in charge, I’m not exactly confident providing them to us won’t be considered too unethical to use as leverage. When it comes to absolute essentials, our govt should probably be operating under the assumption that we *could* be on our own?

Manitobiloba (Kim), Friday, 20 March 2020 22:37 (four years ago) link

With the 4/5 day delay in processing, plus the time to become ill, then get assessed and tested, I’m estimating break related cases should only just begin to show up in the stats in 7-10 days.

Manitobiloba (Kim), Friday, 20 March 2020 22:40 (four years ago) link

Yeah, no, my point was "if the US and UK can do it, why can't we?", not "the US and UK should be on the case soon".

Sund4r, Friday, 20 March 2020 23:10 (four years ago) link

Oh my apologies! :) I did misinterpret. Phew, If we all get through this, we should plan one hell of a Toronto reunion FAP. Those were good days!

Manitobiloba (Kim), Friday, 20 March 2020 23:18 (four years ago) link

No worries, probably wasn't clear. And that sounds fun: I'm not out that way that often but I could plan a trip.

Sund4r, Friday, 20 March 2020 23:24 (four years ago) link

http://globalnews.ca/news/6710957/etfo-ontario-tentative-agreement/?utm_source=notification/

Surprised and happy. I don't know what it means until I see the agreement, but maybe my original guess was right: that Ford finally decided he just wanted this out of the way right now.

clemenza, Saturday, 21 March 2020 00:07 (four years ago) link

Smaller class sizes and levels of employment might have suddenly seemed like a good thing to maintain?

Manitobiloba (Kim), Saturday, 21 March 2020 00:16 (four years ago) link

Could very well be, assuming teachers held on that; both parties had lots of incentive right now to settle.

clemenza, Saturday, 21 March 2020 00:21 (four years ago) link

Canada's progression is starting to look like every other country's.

http://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/canada/

clemenza, Saturday, 21 March 2020 21:27 (four years ago) link

Lecce added that the government is committed to maintaining class sizes and full-day kindergarten, investing in special education, and a "fair" increase in compensation.

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/mobile/ontario-government-reaches-tentative-agreement-with-etfo-1.4862278

Sund4r, Saturday, 21 March 2020 22:56 (four years ago) link

we need to kick it up a notch and issue shelter-in-place today. i went to the park in vancouver today and there were TWO groups of like two dozen people playing SOCCER. like full games across two fields

flopson, Sunday, 22 March 2020 01:17 (four years ago) link

how is doug ford better at this than the NDP here: https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/doug-ford-food-rent-coronavirus_ca_5e7510e9c5b6eab77947f493

symsymsym, Sunday, 22 March 2020 01:44 (four years ago) link

ford and legault being proactive and pro-renter is giving me some serious cognitive dissonance

symsymsym, Sunday, 22 March 2020 01:45 (four years ago) link

Sounds like Horwath is right that it should be guaranteed in law but, yeah, it's a good move. What are the BC NDP doing?

Sund4r, Sunday, 22 March 2020 02:07 (four years ago) link

SAQs apparently closing after today, have to imagine LCBOs will soon follow

brechtian social distancing (Simon H.), Sunday, 22 March 2020 12:43 (four years ago) link

Only on Sundays afaik.

coco vide (pomenitul), Sunday, 22 March 2020 12:45 (four years ago) link

Otherwise their opening hours are now 12-6 and no more than 10 or 20 customers may enter at a time, depending on the size of the store.

coco vide (pomenitul), Sunday, 22 March 2020 12:47 (four years ago) link

oh I saw the news and thought it meant they were closing STARTING today, lol. I was thinking, how will QCers survive...

brechtian social distancing (Simon H.), Sunday, 22 March 2020 12:57 (four years ago) link

I was checking to see if there have been any more local cases and came across this, posted 17 hours ago:

http://www.kitchenertoday.com/coronavirus-covid-19-local-news/over-50-nurses-exposed-to-covid-19-at-st-marys-general-hospital-ona-2188064

I know that's the story everywhere right now. Still, extremely unsettling in a small town.

clemenza, Sunday, 22 March 2020 18:20 (four years ago) link

Yikes, yeah that doesn’t sound good. My takeaway from that is that pretty much all medical staff in hospitals are going to get exposed so whole hospital becomes a danger zone. No wonder they are warning of healthcare collapse - regular care can’t function alongside that. Understanding the new hospital builds in China now weren’t simply done for capacity.

Manitobiloba (Kim), Sunday, 22 March 2020 22:45 (four years ago) link

Good decision, although I suspect there's a lot of unnecessary (i.e., premature) attention to this. No way in the world those games go forward; Japan has been postponing a final decision in a whistling-past-the-graveyard kind of way, but cancellation/postponement has seemed like a foregone conclusion for at least two weeks.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/olympics/canadian-olympic-committee-tokyo-2020-ioc-1.5506291

clemenza, Monday, 23 March 2020 13:22 (four years ago) link

Today we are calling for immediate help for all Canadians:

1) IMMEDIATE DIRECT HELP: Sending $2,000 with an additional $250 per child directly to all Canadians (Universal Basic Income)

2) FIRING FREEZE: Giving employers more than 75% in a wage subsidy to keep people employed

— Jagmeet Singh (@theJagmeetSingh) March 23, 2020

Sund4r, Monday, 23 March 2020 17:37 (four years ago) link

+409 cases in Quebec in 24h, mainly due to an increase in testing, which remains key.

coco vide (pomenitul), Monday, 23 March 2020 17:52 (four years ago) link

That would explain why our nation numbers shot up in the last few minutes.

clemenza, Monday, 23 March 2020 17:55 (four years ago) link

http://www.cp24.com/news/ford-announces-mandatory-closure-of-all-non-essential-businesses-1.4864007

I assume that leaves grocery stores and pharmacies? This is easier for me to say as a non-drinker, but I really hope he doesn't exempt LCBOs and beer stores.

clemenza, Monday, 23 March 2020 18:23 (four years ago) link

And this, which was a foregone conclusion.

http://www.680news.com/2020/03/23/children-wont-be-returning-to-ontario-classrooms-april-6-due-to-coronavirus/

clemenza, Monday, 23 March 2020 18:26 (four years ago) link

I never, ever thought I would say this, but initial stumbles aside, Ford appears to be handling this pretty well. He’s trying to be firm without being draconian, his actions are rational, and was even going out of his way to effusively praise the media for “doing a great job getting the message out there“. Upside down days!

Manitobiloba (Kim), Monday, 23 March 2020 20:04 (four years ago) link

'Shitty head of state does decent job after days/weeks of conspiracist dithering' is a thing now.

coco vide (pomenitul), Monday, 23 March 2020 20:06 (four years ago) link

Tory has joined other cities.

http://globalnews.ca/news/6718926/coronavirus-mayor-tory-state-of-emergency-toronto/?fbclid=IwAR1O4B-9XfxLRuiq3G2EpOPPN2mOFgZKyt2SxNTS8zHcLx2vUaf5l2JdN48

I agree about Ford (and normally I'm as harsh on him as you can be). I'm not sure why--smart enough to listen, seeing the Trump debacle on TV every day, actually understanding the gravity of the situation, or what.

clemenza, Monday, 23 March 2020 20:11 (four years ago) link

(Maybe "scared enough to listen" makes more sense.)

clemenza, Monday, 23 March 2020 20:12 (four years ago) link

Having said all that, major misstep.

http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/lcbo-beer-store-to-remain-open-amid-closure-of-all-non-essential-businesses-1.4864781

clemenza, Monday, 23 March 2020 20:35 (four years ago) link

Posted in haste. I guess the consequences of not keeping liquor stores would be disastrous for anyone living with alcoholism. Everything's complicated.

clemenza, Monday, 23 March 2020 22:08 (four years ago) link

"open"

clemenza, Monday, 23 March 2020 22:08 (four years ago) link

ford still somehow better than Horgan:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/covid-19-bc-premier-john-horgan-update-march-23-1.5506942

"Missing from the action plan was a universal moratorium on rent payments during the crisis.

"A $1,000, conditional, one-time payment is not going to keep renters in their homes. They are at a risk of eviction and they are panicking," read a statement from the Vancouver Tenants' Union."

"Help for renters" is coming Wednesday?

symsymsym, Monday, 23 March 2020 23:12 (four years ago) link

Our national cases were almost three times our previous high today (after a drop on Sunday).

I'm sure that number will go up and up for the next two or three weeks at least. But I'm hopeful that, right now, today, the spread is invisibly slowing down because of measures taken (which won't show up for a while, plus throw in the increased testing that will ensure numbers go up).

clemenza, Monday, 23 March 2020 23:18 (four years ago) link

But for all I know, that previous post will look tragically naive in three weeks.

clemenza, Monday, 23 March 2020 23:18 (four years ago) link

initial stumbles aside, Ford appears to be handling this pretty well.

I said the same thing earlier today!

Sund4r, Monday, 23 March 2020 23:33 (four years ago) link

Wow, is this really true?:

In his press conference today, Premier Horgan made it clear that evictions already in progress will continue.

https://www.vancouvertenantsunion.ca/covidpress

Sund4r, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 00:51 (four years ago) link

I don't think he did make that clear...but he certainly didn't say that wasn't the case, so. They should probably make up their mind by April 1st!

symsymsym, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 01:19 (four years ago) link


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