US Politics, March 2020 — There’s a very good chance you’re not going to die.

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Her sale looks somewhat more innocuous

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 20 March 2020 16:46 (four years ago) link

all while Loeffler’s notoriety will just to skyrocket her to 2024 GOP candidate short list

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Friday, 20 March 2020 16:47 (four years ago) link

Her sale looks somewhat more innocuous


this is true but I’ll be that guy who just comes clean and says I’ve never fully believed in the of the supposed propriety of a “blind trust”

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Friday, 20 March 2020 16:49 (four years ago) link

A blind trust, you won't even get confirmations about the transactions or statements. You have no clue what is in it.

Yerac, Friday, 20 March 2020 16:58 (four years ago) link

I’m laughably ignorant when it comes to these matters. Is it a legal designation?

And I take it that the Trump Org declined to do so?

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Friday, 20 March 2020 17:22 (four years ago) link

My experience with blind trusts, albeit indirect, is that the trustee is usually someone with whom the grantor has a longstanding personal/professional relationship. So if you get together with the trustee for other purposes it is not that hard to have an in-person conversation (if they are smart) and make any necessary decisions regarding the trust assets. ,Not to mention the possible use of intermediaries known to both parties. It might not be as seamless or provide as quick response to market changes, but I am highly skeptical that the grantor has no ability to transmit decisions that need to be made.

Why, I would make a fantastic Nero! (PBKR), Friday, 20 March 2020 17:25 (four years ago) link

And my indirect experience is with a blind trust involving a politician.

Why, I would make a fantastic Nero! (PBKR), Friday, 20 March 2020 17:26 (four years ago) link

The Burr story is incredibly abhorrent and not at all what goes on all the time.
― Frederik B, Friday, March 20, 2020 12:15 PM (one hour ago)

It's not the stock sale that makes this so terrible, it's doing it while willfully misleading the public about the immanent danger that puts it on a whole other level.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, March 20, 2020 12:17 PM (one hour ago)

This also seems beyond the pale to me.

clemenza, Friday, 20 March 2020 17:29 (four years ago) link

Like if the assets in the blind trust were owned by you immediately prior to taking office, and the invested assets were managed (both before and after the trust) by someone you have known for 30 years, and the trustee is someone both you and your investment manager have known for 30 years, do I have to connect the dots . . .

Why, I would make a fantastic Nero! (PBKR), Friday, 20 March 2020 17:29 (four years ago) link

serious question: why isn't Joe Biden holding daily press conferences to establish himself as an executive option, correcting WH narrative, etc.?

Are they legit hiding him for fear of gaffes? This seems like the most softball move imaginable. It's sitting there on a plate.

Webcam Du Bois (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 20 March 2020 17:30 (four years ago) link

Senators should be forced to move all their assets into Vanguard Target Retirement funds

silby, Friday, 20 March 2020 17:30 (four years ago) link

xp Hadrian he's got a bad brain

silby, Friday, 20 March 2020 17:31 (four years ago) link

lol xpost

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Friday, 20 March 2020 17:31 (four years ago) link

Sad lol.

Why, I would make a fantastic Nero! (PBKR), Friday, 20 March 2020 17:33 (four years ago) link

OK but can't they plug him in for 20 mins at a time? what the fuck is he doing right now? Trump was just on TV talking about how he inhereited an obsolete, broken pandemic response system, but now he's FIXED it

Webcam Du Bois (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 20 March 2020 17:34 (four years ago) link

Maybe get out in front of this NOW so this guy can't get away w/ actually campaigning on this shitshow?

Webcam Du Bois (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 20 March 2020 17:35 (four years ago) link

In a lot of investment banks they make rules, like those who work in Research cannot trade in single name stocks or can have fully managed accounts but no sector based funds or stocks in the sector you write about. And you are allowed to have blind trusts but there is a lot of documentation involved about setting it up and who gets confirmations and statements. And there is explicit instructions about what is able to be communicated. But if you are shady it doesn't matter.

Yerac, Friday, 20 March 2020 17:35 (four years ago) link

Missed the briefing today. CNN is using words like "shameful" and "reprehensible," especially pertaining to one reporter he attacked.

clemenza, Friday, 20 March 2020 17:39 (four years ago) link

But if you are shady it doesn't matter.

Yeah, my sense is that they only really stop people that wouldn't trade on inside info anyway.

Why, I would make a fantastic Nero! (PBKR), Friday, 20 March 2020 17:40 (four years ago) link

and in this case, i didn't see exactly what they learned in that meeting, but I think you would have a hard time proving it was material non-public information when it generally was in the news every day. It's just ethically terrible that they downplayed it while preparing for the worst. And you would have to look for their trading patterns over the last several years to really make a case. But still I vote for ....guillotines.

Yerac, Friday, 20 March 2020 17:41 (four years ago) link

PBKR’s scenario p much how I’ve always imagined it, but again, I’m way out of my depth here

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Friday, 20 March 2020 17:42 (four years ago) link

i used to be a subject matter exPeRt about trade surveillance at two banks I worked at, but that has a lot more explicit policies and enforcement of rules and penalties. Conflict of interest doesn't exist in politics anymore.

Yerac, Friday, 20 March 2020 17:44 (four years ago) link

THREAD: Did Senator Richard Burr engage in insider trading when he sold off $1.6 million in stock while he was receiving briefings about the coronavirus?

— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) March 19, 2020

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 20 March 2020 17:44 (four years ago) link

yes, so this ^^^ basically does a better job of explaining it.

Yerac, Friday, 20 March 2020 17:48 (four years ago) link

and there should be financial advisor records of whether the trades were solicited or unsolicited and the type of account it was held in (to include all of his immediate family accounts). I doubt anyone was trading in an online broker but maybe...

Yerac, Friday, 20 March 2020 17:50 (four years ago) link

Burr was uzin E*Trade

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Friday, 20 March 2020 17:50 (four years ago) link

My favorite insider trading case was SEC v. Switzer, in which Barry Switzer, then football coach at the University of Oklahoma (later head coach of the Dallas Cowboys), claimed he overheard the inside information while attending a high school track meet, made trades on the information, was sued by the SEC, and was able to get the suit dismissed because the information was "inadvertently" disclosed (yeah right).

Why, I would make a fantastic Nero! (PBKR), Friday, 20 March 2020 18:24 (four years ago) link

serious question: why isn't Joe Biden holding daily press conferences to establish himself as an executive option, correcting WH narrative, etc.?

maybe his advisors think that having him constantly acting in public as a nay-saying alternative POTUS, he'd be seen as undercutting the 'legitimate' POTUS in a time of crisis, a move that most voters would see as wrong-headed, because it accomplishes nothing positive, while weakening the guy who has the authority to actually do things.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 20 March 2020 18:32 (four years ago) link

yes, sounds like SOP for that crowd

the thing is, he CAN do something positive while criticizing the president, forcing his hand on more aggressive measures

Webcam Du Bois (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 20 March 2020 18:37 (four years ago) link

Q: What do you say to Americans who are scared

TRUMP: "I say that you're a terrible reporter, that's what I say."

Unreal. pic.twitter.com/RJ1aJXJUUh

— Pod Save America (@PodSaveAmerica) March 20, 2020

what the fuuuuck

frogbs, Friday, 20 March 2020 18:38 (four years ago) link

oh we're doing this on both threads now? Biden has no leverage or political power, he can't force anyone's hand at anything.

xps

Οὖτις, Friday, 20 March 2020 18:39 (four years ago) link

the presunmptive Democratic nominee for president has no political power?

Webcam Du Bois (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 20 March 2020 18:45 (four years ago) link

OK but can't they plug him in for 20 mins at a time? what the fuck is he doing right now? Trump was just on TV talking about how he inhereited an obsolete, broken pandemic response system, but now he's FIXED it

Maybe get out in front of this NOW so this guy can't get away w/ actually campaigning on this shitshow?

― Webcam Du Bois (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, March 21, 2020 4:35 AM (fifty-one minutes ago)

if you have not already concluded from his failure to do this that Biden is not capable of doing this (by interest or ability), I invite you to shave with one of Ockham's fine products

Dollarmite Is My Name (sic), Friday, 20 March 2020 18:46 (four years ago) link

the presunmptive Democratic nominee for president has no political power?

crazy but true!

Οὖτις, Friday, 20 March 2020 18:46 (four years ago) link

it's almost as if people have to win an election (or secure an appointment) before they have any power

Οὖτις, Friday, 20 March 2020 18:46 (four years ago) link

that lash out at that reporter was fucking weird. Dude is cracking up.

akm, Friday, 20 March 2020 18:56 (four years ago) link

In better circumstances, you would want the presumptive nominee on your "team" to be campaigning in order to win the election, not being hidden from the public in the hope that they don't realise he is incapable of thinking or discussing, let alone leadership, and somehow end up excited to vote for him.

Dollarmite Is My Name (sic), Friday, 20 March 2020 18:57 (four years ago) link

I wish Biden would speak up. Obama spoke up lots about the financial situation in 2008. I understand the difference in that a) he was a sitting senator, and b) he was the nominee, not the presumptive nominee in a still contested nomination. He wasn't speaking up as a senator, though--he was speaking up as someone who might possibly inherit the present situation. I don't think for a second Biden would be laying back if he were younger and less like what's been on view the past few months.

clemenza, Friday, 20 March 2020 19:01 (four years ago) link

Dude is cracking up.

He's never held any position of serious responsibility before in his life and now this happens.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 20 March 2020 19:03 (four years ago) link

also different because this is more than *just* money, it is potentially hundreds of thousands of people dying and we happen to be in a situation in which we have even less competent leadership than GWB

frogbs, Friday, 20 March 2020 19:03 (four years ago) link

he was speaking up as someone who might possibly inherit the present situation.

Also it was only a month before the election and he wasn't running against the sitting president.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 20 March 2020 19:04 (four years ago) link

https://www.npr.org/transcripts/11626189

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Friday, 20 March 2020 19:05 (four years ago) link

So if I'm reading between the lines correctly, I guess what President Trump would say to Americans who are scared is that he's fucking terrified. Very comforting!

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Friday, 20 March 2020 19:28 (four years ago) link

Even worse, for the shithead, is that for once he can neither take credit nor blame someone else, try as he might. His brain is broken.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 20 March 2020 19:51 (four years ago) link

his approval's gonna shoot up to 70% after that

frogbs, Friday, 20 March 2020 19:52 (four years ago) link

for those that did not watch, when a reporter asked him about the senators that sold right before the market meltdown, (from memory) trump said he didn't know anything about it...but then stated Diane Feinstein only ...and others...all fine people. So the reporter stated the other names who sold and Trump totally jumped on the reporter for not mentioning Feinstein too. It was kind of hilarious.

Yerac, Friday, 20 March 2020 19:54 (four years ago) link

uh, what?

The young Jedi B-Team that is the White House Press Corps have now been Groupon comp Lyfted back to their real jobs being overly astounded by new tailgate kick plates in unctuous Chevy Truck commercials.

— Dennis Miller (@DennisDMZ) March 20, 2020

oh

What is the coronavirus fix is to eat a Tide pod?

— Dennis Miller (@DennisDMZ) March 9, 2020

frogbs, Friday, 20 March 2020 20:33 (four years ago) link

lmao

DJP, Friday, 20 March 2020 20:37 (four years ago) link

who has aged worse than dennis miller

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 20 March 2020 20:37 (four years ago) link

rob schneider

Karl Malone, Friday, 20 March 2020 20:38 (four years ago) link


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