is New York City dead?

"shelter in place" is a terrible name for what the order actually means, at least the bay area version is. it's basically an enforced version of social distancing norms (essential businesses remain open, you can leave your apartment but can't congregate in groups, etc.)

of course, it has a name that immediately induces panic and thoughts like "oh god, is my apartment even shelter enough?"

Have I said I had no use for it but RIP anyway yet?

Here's hoping all this rain will wash the coronavirus away.

Like Night of the Comet.

JUST IN: MTA buses will be backdoor-only starting Monday, with exceptions for disabled riders. On local buses, that means no more fare collection.

— David J. Meyer (@dahvnyc) March 20, 2020

deBlasio released 23 ppl from Rikers

alleged progressive heroes @NYCMayor & @NYGovCuomo are leaving thousands to rot in NY state and city prisons and jails despite scores of experts calling for mass release of prisoners, namely those (1) w/ underlying conditions (2) over 50 (3) w/ less than a year on their sentence https://t.co/6aIcBNlB1L

— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) March 22, 2020

NYT top headline is the high COVID 'attack rate' in the NY metro region

also an article explaining why the reason new york has been hit hard is its density, which article does not mention singapore or hong kong.

also doesn't mention that density varies throughout the five boroughs yet they seem to have roughly the same infections per capita (staten island slightly ahead)

not fair, I've met a bunch of Staten Islanders who aren't dense

i thought ny was hit hard because of density and complete disregard to stay at home/take precautions.

it's probably being hit harder than other US cities because of density. it's being hit harder than other world cities because it's in the US and the US is unbelievably badly run at the city, state and national level, and it has very poor healthcare.

well GRANTED. sheesh. but ASIDE from that

guilty lol

POTUS says Cuomo "is supposed to be buying his own ventilators"

good luck NY

cuomo knows a guy

well funny that since the states were bidding against the federal govt and other states for supplies.

ayyyyy i’m ventilatin’ here

all right does anyone have opinions about grocery delivery options

FreshDirect has no slots for a week, and the calendar only covers a week

relying on friends w/ a car so far

btw bdb *might* opt to close the playgrounds by the end of the week. to make up for the lost public space, he *might* then opt to close exactly two streets per borough to traffic

We ordered a box from some place called grateful produce and it was amazing. I also found a market on seamless and got some snacks and like 3lbs of cold cuts. Check seamless there’s always some delis that have staples.

what about instacart

I take it Mimi's Hummus is still doing delivery

https://gothamist.com/news/state-lawmakers-pushing-coronavirus-rent-cancellation-say-cuomo-mia

instacart is like a five-day wait

that's acceptable, we are just needing to reup on flour, yogurt, eggs, that kind of stuff

hopefully the flour situaton is not similar to the UK's!

get that stuff from delis on seamless.

I ordered a big meal from Dawas last night, a favorite place of ours in Woodside. Did it via credit card and wasn't happy that when the guy came he made me sign the CC. I never understand when that's needed. I tipped the delivery guy 20 bucks.

morbs (and other nycers), freshdirect offers slots a day before for delivery pass members; $40 for a 6 month pass that lets you hold Tuesday to Thursday deliveries seems worth it

I just did an Instacart for next Monday

can get by til then

Very difficult to say if, in not even considering fleeing the overcrowded plague hub where I live, I am presently being "cool-headed in a time of crisis" or merely "stupid."

— 𝖇𝖎𝖌 𝖇𝖆𝖑𝖑𝖔𝖔𝖓 𝖆𝖉𝖛𝖊𝖓𝖙𝖚𝖗𝖊 (@NickPinkerton) March 22, 2020

same

https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2019/s8125

little "support" yea/nay button on the right side

my sister just texted me to say "ARE YOU OKAY? TERRIBLE NEWS OUT OF NYC!" and when i asked what she meant she said "28% POSITIVE TESTING RATE IS TERRIBLE" and i got to be like um, yeah, it's a pandemic; gonna go jogging.

I saw a few alarmist tweets about people leaving NYC? What would be the benefit to fleeing, if any?

We’re seeing a lot of flight from the city (especially among those who can afford to go to, say, the Hamptons). I’m not sure what the benefit is, perhaps it’s largely psychological. We’ve seen it in this pandemic, and throughout history. It happened in the medieval plagues, in the plagues in London, as well as many others. People see infection around them, and hope to escape it by fleeing. Instead, they may already be infected and are just bringing it to another place, perhaps even introducing it there.

If, as the tweets you refer to suggest, you can really leave without coming in contact with anyone outside your household and stay inside for 2 weeks, at least you’re not infecting anyone else and that’s an ethical approach. Unfortunately, not everyone will be so scrupulous, so the virus is very likely circulating there anyway. The end result: you’ll probably still be keeping to yourself, but perhaps in nicer surroundings.

However, if I thought I might get sick, I’d rather be somewhere near a good hospital.

Asking "what would be the benefit??!" seems facile? Uh in the country I can have a whole house instead of a couple of rooms, laundry on site, a yard we can go in, a garden where I grow food to eat, two bathrooms (lol), and be with my partner who lives alone when I'm not there, and if he gets ill, would be alone in his house and no one would be able to get to him.

I have largely been up here since around Mar 4 or 5 with only brief visits to the city where I used gloves + wiped down everything + stayed in as much as poss w my whole building doing the same. It's possible I was exposed in those moments but in any case we're both asymptomatic still.

I guess those aren't the reasons rich ppl are "fleeing" tho cause they have the all the luxuries wherever they are.

everyone's situation is different, io, you don't have to explain yourself.

(except that growing yr own food stuff, my god, do you know what century it is? I know, the 11th)

I mean if I fled to my sister's I'd have to take transit for 3 hours. just no way.

Specifically the fresh veg are the thing that we'll be lacking if we can't go to the store at all. We have staples for a long time but it will help to have lettuce & radishes & herbs on hand soon.

I fled with gf to her parents house in the jersey burbs. I expect we'll be here at least a month, probably more though. I have multiple friends in the city who are moderately sick, one degree away from someone who's on oxygen in a hospital.

However, if I thought I might get sick, I’d rather be somewhere near a good hospital.

my driving motivation to flee was 'if I get this I don't want to be on a bed in the javits center'.

Waiting at least a week or so more till we’ve been quarantined we’ll over two weeks and wives parents are the same then maybe going to their house in the jersey burbs. A yard and help with the three year old a big reason, plentiful fridge space. Etc.

they need to figure out health insurance between states.

Checked into leasing a car as a first step to possible fleeing; learned that ny and nj car dealers are among the businesses ordered to be closed (except for repair depts)

someone should start an uber for fleeing the city

I can 100% understand not wanting to fly, Jon, but could you? The few flights that are going appear to be very cheap right now

assuming you're trying to get to minnesota

I'd come get you but it's a bit of a hike